funny thing is you actually believe that
you also prolly believe if you don't have medical insurance
YOU WILL DIE!
well sonny yer SO wrong, its no wonder insurance companies get so bloody rich
I went into an ER in the 90's after losing a fight with a circular saw
they said: do you have insurance? I said no I have CASH!
Then I proceeded to ask them 'what is the price' they hadn't a clue.
If you went to the grocery store, the car dealership, barbershop or anywhere else
and they couldn't tell you what the product or service cost what would your reaction be?
My wife still laughs about it: your getting stitched up @ 1:00 O'Clock in the morning, complaining WTF is the price!
It was just over 500 bucks for some stitches Tell you what That was a total flippin' rip off for sure
I wish someone would explain to me what is so difficult about answering the question I posed, that you, and the other poster to whom it was originally addressed would keep dodging it?
Here it is again:
It's irrelevant if anyone thinks Medicare "works" - frankly though, there's a host of arguments which could be posed that would vehemently deny that - but that's not the point. The point is the Democrat premise that the only proper entity to run our health care system is the federal government. I've yet to find someone who can (or will, apparently) explain why that is a valid premise. And the thing is - it's NOT a valid premise. But Democrats persist in clinging to it. Why?
I wish someone would explain to me what is so difficult about answering the question I posed, that you, and the other poster to whom it was originally addressed would keep dodging it?
Here it is again:
It's irrelevant if anyone thinks Medicare "works" - frankly though, there's a host of arguments which could be posed that would vehemently deny that - but that's not the point. The point is the Democrat premise that the only proper entity to run our health care system is the federal government. I've yet to find someone who can (or will, apparently) explain why that is a valid premise. And the thing is - it's NOT a valid premise. But Democrats persist in clinging to it. Why?
this speech should be heard by every AmericanTheir handlers haven't told them how to lie about such a question.
I wish someone would explain to me what is so difficult about answering the question I posed, that you, and the other poster to whom it was originally addressed would keep dodging it?
Here it is again:
It's irrelevant if anyone thinks Medicare "works" - frankly though, there's a host of arguments which could be posed that would vehemently deny that - but that's not the point. The point is the Democrat premise that the only proper entity to run our health care system is the federal government. I've yet to find someone who can (or will, apparently) explain why that is a valid premise. And the thing is - it's NOT a valid premise. But Democrats persist in clinging to it. Why?
The President of the United States, in moves many have suggested are not allowed by law, has delayed important and critical parts of Obamacare for another year. These waivers and wave offs were caused by the problems business owners and other groups are having trying to implement the program.
The CBO has stated the waive off of the employer mandate will add $10's of billions to the cost of Obamacare. Rational people see Obamacare as deeply flawed, and as not meeting the original objective.
Democrats who control the Senate, and the President, have it within their power to keep the government running by passing the bill that originated in the House. Instead, they are going to put the welfare of the country and others in need, on the back of Obamacare, which is so flawed, the President is doing favors for his benefactors to keep them from being hurt by it's provisions.
How is this a Republican issue?
- Creates the Health Insurance Marketplace, a new way for individuals, families, and small businesses to get health coverage
Where's this place at? What's the secret handshake to get in this place? What page in the yellow pages is it shown on?
- Requires insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing health conditions
And people can enroll when? Oh that's right, there will be windows from Oct to Dec. So that's when you better get sick or no insurance for you. Why it's almost exactly like the wait times requited now for people with pre-existing conditions.
- Holds insurance companies accountable for rate increases
How? They already have demonstrated what they will do if required to lose money. They don't offer insurance.
- Requires insurance companies to devote 80-85% of premiums to benefit payments or rebate the difference to its customers
That a way government. Force companies out of business because they can't cover a bad year. Decreasing completion has what effect on cost? Hint, hint, your wallet gets lighter.
- Makes it illegal for health insurance companies to arbitrarily cancel your health insurance just because you get sick
And if they do, what? Oh, you'll have to get a lawyer just like now.
- Covers young adults under 26
Good thing too. Because of this law, many (an ever increasing many) of them won't be able to land a job, much less one that provides insurance. To bad for them when they turn 26, they still won't be able to land a good job because of this law.
- Provides free preventive care
Are there people out there that still believe something is free? The dumb remain dumb if so. Costs go up for everybody.
- Ends lifetime and yearly dollar limits on coverage of essential health benefits
And this effects everybody else's insurance cost how? Uh, I know the answer, do you?
- Guarantees your right to appeal should coverage be denied
What's changed here? Not much if anything. You get to go whine to a nameless government employee and hire your own lawyer.
- Through cost control and greater participation by the general public in preventative medicine, should reduce the deficit over the first 10 years by $114B and the next 10 years by $1T.
You put this in for laughs right? Should. LOL. LOL. LOL.......
...and yet it's more expensive than what one could purchase privately. How do you explain that?Government health care is the only viable alternative for those who can't afford their own health care. The other choice is to let them die in the street.
I understand what you have been told to believe. The fact is, the Herritage Foundation abandoned their plan as unworkable, and the plan in Massechusetts looks nothing like Obamacare.
It seem apparent nobody has told you the connections don't work. But it's certainly a lazy way to not make a point.
It covers things private insurance doesn't. Stupid things like gender changes and condoms probably....and yet it's more expensive than what one could purchase privately. How do you explain that?
The President of the United States, in moves many have suggested are not allowed by law, has delayed important and critical parts of Obamacare for another year. These waivers and wave offs were caused by the problems business owners and other groups are having trying to implement the program.
The CBO has stated the waive off of the employer mandate will add $10's of billions to the cost of Obamacare. Rational people see Obamacare as deeply flawed, and as not meeting the original objective.
Democrats who control the Senate, and the President, have it within their power to keep the government running by passing the bill that originated in the House. Instead, they are going to put the welfare of the country and others in need, on the back of Obamacare, which is so flawed, the President is doing favors for his benefactors to keep them from being hurt by it's provisions.
How is this a Republican issue?
Congratulations. You have finally engaged in the correct debate: the debate of the features, advantages and benefits of the ACA vs. its cost. Unfortunately, this was the correct debate four years ago. The ACA is the law of the land and just now getting into debate over the FAB v Cost is moot.
If you don't understand healthcare exchanges, your don't understand the ACA. Its a bit difficult to have intelligent debate when you don't know what you are talking about.... But every state was to set up an exchange: a marketplace where persons can buy individual insurance products that conform to ACA standards. Every state has one (oh, except those red states that threw a hissy after the ACA was passed and said they would not participate). Here is the one from my state:
Home | Connect for Health Colorado
The primary purpose of the ACA is to expand healthcare coverage to all (or as close to all as possible). One of the tenants of making healthcare affordable (to the extent we can actually have affordable healthcare in a system that is the most expensive in the world) is to pool individuals seeking coverage with other individuals seeking coverage. The marketplace helps to do that.
The fundamental axiom behind the ACA is that preventive medicine is cheaper than emergency room medicine. A main operating assumption is that we, as a society, are paying for the coverage of the uninsured at the cost of $116B per year; the taxpayers (you and I) currently pay $75B of that and the rest ($42.7B) gets absorbed by the providers. As you aptly pointed out, there is no free lunch. Someone has to pay. Well, that someone are those that buy insurance. Do you know that the average families health insurance premiums include about $1,000 per year to pay the costs of the uninsured?
Unpaid care hikes private insurance premiums by billions - amednews.com
Not only that, you are paying for the most expensive type of care: emergency room care. With nearly 46 million people without health insurance coverage, most are excluded from the preventive side of medicine. Much like spending $19.95 on your oil change next week could save you a much more expensive new engine in five years, dictating that insurance plans provide free preventative will save those insurance companies (and medicaid) a fortune in 20 years. That is why the benefits of the ACA will be realized in the long-term rather than currently. Similarly, the idea of getting EVERYONE in the system, particularly the young through the individual mandate broadens the insurance pool and shifts the emphasis to the much cheaper prevention, which shall reap benefits over the long-run. Yes, we have some front end costs by suddenly ending pre-existing condition waivers and allowing insurance companies to terminate you because you are too expensive. This will have some short-run costs for a long-run benefit that exceeds this cost.
Now, to put this somewhat in context, since you seem to be pleading the case of the marginally profitable, oppressed private insurance companies.... first, they are not. They stand to gain the most from this, as they have a mandate new market of the highly profitable young many of whom are uninsured. Moreover, the concept of "for-profit" medicine in this country is fairly new. Prior to 1980, most private health insurance was provided by the "Blues" (Blue Cross-Blue Shield), which were highly regulated not-for-profit entities; and most hospitals in the US were also non-profit charitable organizations.
I have not done the research comparing the privatization of healthcare in this country with cost, but I am going to. I would be very surprised if you could not draw a relationship that strongly suggests that since privatization our healthcare has become increasingly more expensive and less efficient. We do know that right now it is the most expensive and less efficient in the world.
21 graphs that show America’s health-care prices are ludicrous
No, from the CBO. But, given how uninformed you are on the rest of this, I guess I shouldn't expect you to know that either.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage Estimates.pdf
Instead of trying to work together on the ACA republicans just want to end it. It's the law and their attempts are futile. Even if the government is shut down it will not acheive their purpose of ending the ACA. Plain stupid IMO
Hold yer horses there Capt'nDefund! Defund! Defund
Then why are you crying, if it won't matter?
Sounds to me, all the libs crying about it, it catches them by the short and curlies and yanks em viciously!
When I die, I want to go peaceably in my sleep, like my grandpa.
Not yelling and screaming like his passengers in his car!
...and yet it's more expensive than what one could purchase privately. How do you explain that?
The plan in Mass is working and the people like it. Please tell me what the difference is. I thought is was like the ACA. I need facts. Thank you
Instead of trying to work together on the ACA republicans just want to end it. It's the law and their attempts are futile. Even if the government is shut down it will not acheive their purpose of ending the ACA. Plain stupid IMO
I think you nailed it.I think at this point ... "It's not even in effect yet" ... is the answer you should expect.
And then ...
After it goes into effect and costs go even higher the answer will be ... "You have to give it time"
And then ...
When it's worked it's way into full irreversible entitlement status, costs have soared, & you can't find a doctor the answer will be "We can fix it all with Single Payer".
Well for one, it's run by the state of Massachusetts, not by the federal government - which makes it not one iota like the ACA.The plan in Mass is working and the people like it. Please tell me what the difference is. I thought is was like the ACA. I need facts. Thank you
Obamacare is such a mess, the Obama Adminstration has had to issued waivers, and even delay the employer mandate for a year. The costs aren't what they said they would be, and states like California are reporting there will be an acute shortage of medical care.
Republicans weren't involved in the final months of negotiation, and they didn't cast a single vote for Obamacare. What was invented is absurd. Why fund something that is a joke, just because it's politically wise to do so? Would you vote for a single Republican because they did?
well for one thing we are ALL gonna die regardless
(sorry to break the bad news to you)
If you think you have to pay mountains of cash in insurance premuims over the course of your lifetime to guarantee immortality then that's perfectly within your right to live your life that way but you've no right to enforce at the point
of a gun such stupid belief system on your fellow countrymen? No wait I take that back now with the ACA
that is precisely what we have? How I fund my hip replacement or cold medicine is no concern of yours.
When my mom had terminal cancer someone talked her into getting a second opinion hah guess what
she died and so will everyone else.
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