Well you're just determined to have an argument aren't you.
No, debate, which you seem to be losing.
First off, before I am misrepresented, I don't think gun laws would work in the US and as a pragmatist am not for them in the US (with the exception of open carry - I'm all for banning open carry).
So if they do not work, why ban open carry?
Criminals do not open carry, and it protected by not only the 2nd but also the 1st Amendment.
Although a discussion for another time, I don't believe in natural rights, nor do I believe rights are timeless. I don't believe guns are necessary for self defense, particularly when the rest of the populace (and thus those committing crimes) are unarmed.
Why?
So at some point in time will your right to free speech be obsolete?
Right because owning a gun stops all these crimes from happening. What a dishonest argument.
Stops or prevents a large major crimes from happening, saying you can prevent or stop all crime is not possible.
But you think it is better for people to be disarmed and helpless is better? Talk about inhuman.
I just told you you can't compare UK and US gun crime stats because they are counted differently. The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”
Sounds like someone can not defend against the increase in crime against a disarmed public.
Well the weather had a lot to do with it.....
Really?
So not having to put up with what a 3 dollar tax on a liter of petrol had nothing to do with?
Not living a nanny state had nothing to do with it?
Equating access to guns to freedom is a fallacy.
No it is a just equation, how are you free if you do not have the means of defending your life, freedom, rights, property against those that would usurp then.
In economic and press freedom indices the US essentially received B grades (other countries did get A - not the UK).
Are we perfect? Not a chance in Hell, might that scale be biased? maybe.
Furthermore, some people consider freedom from guns to be a type of freedom.
Easy, do not buy one, everyone wins, you do not have the right to take the rights/freedom away from other people.
Gun culture makes the US different from the UK and Aus, but you'll be hard pressed in England to find the average person on the street who disagrees with gun control.
Wrong..
85% Of British Want Their Guns Back | InvestmentWatch
New Poll Shows England Wants Its Guns Back | TheBlaze.com
I guess having rape gang, and people beheading people in the streets makes you want to be able to defend themselves...
Gun ownership is steadily declining in the US.
Wrong, yet again
(A) Landine phones are going the way of the dodo. Almost no one in my generation pays for one in their home, and a shrinking number of the older generation are doing the same. Cell phones are the new way to communicate, and those aren’t included in the polls.
(B) How would you feel if you received a call from a random stranger claiming to be from a polling agency and asking how much jewelry you have in your home? Or how much cash you carry around? Or if you leave your back door unlocked at night? This is especially frightening if you realize that land-line phone numbers all have an address associated with them. Is it really a polling agency calling or a burglar doing some recon work before stealing all your stuff? How can you tell the difference?
(C)Given the current environment and concern about Government oversight, NSA spying, etc, I would suggest that if people are going to lie during a poll, they are more likely to say that they don’t own a gun when they do as opposed to saying that they do own a gun when they don’t. I would argue that the number of people who don’t fess up to owning a gun may very well result in a few percentage points of error in the poll.
While I'm sure there is a hardcore core of people who keep hold of their guns, more and more people find them unnecessary or dangerous as violent crime etc falls in the US.
Well violent crime is a 50 year all time low, whole gun ownership grows higher and higher.
. Playing with irrational fears that I have come to pick about pro-Gunners whilst my time in DP.
