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Homosexuality is a sin

CLAX1911 said:
But absolutely zero proof of God right? Why is the religion so focused on faith if there's evidence?
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Psalms 8 Proof of GOD

1 O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.

2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;

8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.

9 O Lord our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!

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Faith in Action - Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. By faith Abel...
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I'm not even remotely gay or curious about it, but couldn't care less about someone else being so, or if it's considered a "sin" by anyone's religion. You are free to worship and believe as you so choose, you are not free to tell me I must believe the same as you.
 
Gordy327 said:
If God created everything, with full knowledge in advance, then that logically means god created homosexuals an such. The buck stops with god.
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Romans 8​

Life Through the Spirit​

1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

9 You (speaking here of Christians), however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Present Suffering and Future Glory​

18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

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More Than Conquerors​

31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
Paul191145 said:
I'm not even remotely gay or curious about it, but couldn't care less about someone else being so, or if it's considered a "sin" by anyone's religion. You are free to worship and believe as you so choose, you are not free to tell me I must believe the same as you.
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Absolutely! And in keeping with freedom of expression anyone is totally within their right to explain their beliefs and disagree with various behaviors in every effort to convince others that there is an alternative that brings with it a better life of peace and eternal joy. Freedom doesn't mean that one will never be exposed to contrary beliefs. Freedom only promises that one may choose among those that are presented for reasons which they find acceptable to away of thinking they have been persuaded as honorable. But indeed how shall they be persuaded if freedom is only extended to thought processes which are regarded as popular and not thought provoking to the contrary?
 
LittleNipper said:
Absolutely! And in keeping with freedom of expression anyone is totally within their right to explain their beliefs and disagree with various behaviors in every effort to convince others that there is an alternative that brings with it a better life of peace and eternal joy. Freedom doesn't mean that one will never be exposed to contrary beliefs. Freedom only promises that one may choose among those that are presented for reasons which they find acceptable to away of thinking they have been persuaded as honorable. But indeed how shall they be persuaded if freedom is only extended to thought processes which are regarded as popular and not thought provoking to the contrary?
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Well, I've been an Atheist for about 40 years, served 20 years on active duty in the U.S. Army, to include 17 years in SOF, so I think I've seen a bit in my time. Therefore, anyone who feels the need to try and persuade me to believe the same as them should be prepared to hear my views on their beliefs as well.
 
Paul191145 said:
Well, I've been an Atheist for about 40 years, served 20 years on active duty in the U.S. Army, to include 17 years in SOF, so I think I've seen a bit in my time. Therefore, anyone who feels the need to try and persuade me to believe the same as them should be prepared to hear my views on their beliefs as well.
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Absolutely! You must understand that anyone willing to open such a conversation with you isn't there to hear themselves talk. They likely are very concerned and care about you. It is never an easy thing to speak to someone regarding the Bible and GOD and eternity. In fact it is usually far easier to remain quiet or maybe talk about the weather. I would simply suggest that you think about that before you let the individual have it with both barrels. They have really nothing to gain by talking to you. There are no brownie points in heaven; however, there is the hope that one day you may be in heaven because someone cared enough to open up to you ----- and that really is all that it's about. And perhaps you will have seen a difference in how that individual behaves and wonder why is he or she somehow so unlike everyone else.
 
LittleNipper said:
Absolutely! You must understand that anyone willing to open such a conversation with you isn't there to hear themselves talk. They likely are very concerned and care about you. It is never an easy thing to speak to someone regarding the Bible and GOD and eternity. In fact it is usually far easier to remain quiet or maybe talk about the weather. I would simply suggest that you think about that before you let the individual have it with both barrels. They have really nothing to gain by talking to you. There are no brownie points in heaven; however, there is the hope that one day you may be in heaven because someone cared enough to open up to you ----- and that really is all that it's about. And perhaps you will have seen a difference in how that individual behaves and wonder why is he or she somehow so unlike everyone else.
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I'm 58 y/o, I don't need anyone preaching to me no matter how well intentioned it may be.
 
LittleNipper said:
Unfortunately, those that are being so expressed to often feel that it's an imposition.
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Actions have consequences if you say things people disagree with you can expect then to say so.
For example someone has the right to say they believe other races are inferior and I have the right to say they are a worthless piece of ignorant garbage
 
The Baron said:
Flavius Josephus and his Antiquity of the Jews documents Jesus' life, ministry, miracles, death and resurrection.
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In other words, the "proof" is "somebody said so."
 
The Baron said:
As you have so firmly established there is no proof that you will accept.
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I accept objective empirical, verifiable, falsifiable, and peer reviewed proof. Someone simply saying so is not proof.
 
Gordy327 said:
I accept objective empirical, verifiable, falsifiable, and peer reviewed proof. Someone simply saying so is not proof.
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When it comes to EVOLUTION and UNIFORMITARIANISM ---- all your concerns seem to go out the window.
 
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