Holy Crap! Huge Jump in COVID Cases Today

[NWRatCon]

As the data now stands, the US has had a rolling seven day average death toll of less than 1,123 for 26 of the last 28 days.

On 26 MAY 2020 the rolling seven day average was 1,123. The preliminary figures for 24 JUN 2020 indicate a rolling seven day average of 620.

However, for the true pessimists, I have to admit that that 620 indicated for 24 JUN is up from the 616 of Jun 23.

i have noted the continued downward trend of fatalities (about 100/ day less each week of June), but today's new infection rate jumped to 36,000+, the highest since May 1 and the third highest one- day total this year. I am concerned where well be in 2-3 weeks.

 

[JackA]

Quite right - and that is something that many people either are completely ignorant of, or deliberately overlook.

Of course, being a "republic" isn't necessarily a feature of being a "democratic country" (i.e. the UK, Belgium, Holland, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are all "democratic countries but none of them is a "republic").

Tell me, how would you rate a country

1. that has only two political parties that have any realistic chance of gaining electoral power;
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2. where the selection of potential candidates to be candidates is done by small groups of people who are not subject to public scrutiny;
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3. where the small groups of people who do the selection of potential candidates to be candidates for BOTH political parties come from essentially the same socioeconomic class;
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4. where, once elected, the legislators feel absolutely no obligation to actually attempt to fulfill whatever pledges that they made to enhance their chances of being elected;
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5. where legislators feel no obligation to actually read and understand the legislation that is put in front of them before voting on it;
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6. where the legislators from "Party 1" will ALWAYS vote against any legislation proposed by "Party 2" - regardless of the fact that it is identical to other legislation that has been proposed by "Party 1";
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7. where the legislators from "Party 2" will ALWAYS vote against any legislation proposed by "Party 1" - regardless of the fact that it is identical to other legislation that has been proposed by "Party 2";
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8. where, once elected, the legislators feel absolutely no reluctance to vote in favour of things that they said they were opposed to (in order to enhance their chances of being elected);
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9. where, once elected, the legislators are more concerned about directing the greatest possible percentage of government spending to their own electoral district (in order to enhance their chances of reelection) regardless of whether that spending is either needed by their electoral district or in the best interests of the country as a whole;
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10. where the predominant form of "political debate" is slander, lies, bombast, and fear-mongering?

Overstated but putting it right I would still rate it a country in need of some restoration to its founding principles, which the U.S. has never lived up to. Nevertheless, there is an underlying rowdiness that preserves freedoms for most of us.

 

[JackA]

The American Bill of Rights codifies "The Rights of Englishmen" that were codified in the Bill of Rights (1689).

The Commonwealth lasted from 1649 to 1660. It was on the basis of their experience under The Commonwealth that the English decided that a stronger codification of "The Rights of Englishmen" that had been first set down in writing in the Magna Carta of 1215 was needed, hence the Bill or Rights (1689).

The Bill of Rights (1689) was one of the models for the American Bill of Rights.

The one essential freedom is freedom of speech on the basis of common citizenship, not privilege.

 

[Conservative]

As the data now stands, the US has had a rolling seven day average death toll of less than 1,123 for 26 of the last 28 days.

On 26 MAY 2020 the rolling seven day average was 1,123. The preliminary figures for 24 JUN 2020 indicate a rolling seven day average of 620.

However, for the true pessimists, I have to admit that that 620 indicated for 24 JUN is up from the 616 of Jun 23.

6/23/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 2391336 122985 5.1%

New York 389085 30927 7.9%

New Jersey 169734 12949 7.6%

Massachusetts 107439 7874 7.3%

Illinois 138224 6875 5.0%

California 183073 5580 3.0%

Texas 120370 2220 1.8%

Florida 103503 3238 3.1%

Canada 101963 8454 8.3%

WORLD 9237691 476911 5.2%

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

i have noted the continued downward trend of fatalities (about 100/ day less each week of June), but today's new infection rate jumped to 36,000+, the highest since May 1 and the third highest one- day total this year. I am concerned where well be in 2-3 weeks.

There may be an increase and there may not.

I only work from the currently available data and actual existing trends conditioned on those trends remaining constant and (unlike Dr. Mushmouth) am not able to make absolute and unconditional predictions that are invariably of the same level of accuracy.

Mind you, I too am concerned that there may well be an increase due to the relaxation of the ameliorative/preventive measures before it is safe to do so.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Overstated but putting it right I would still rate it a country in need of some restoration to its founding principles, which the U.S. has never lived up to. Nevertheless, there is an underlying rowdiness that preserves freedoms for most of us.

Indeed "Freedom is messy." is a verity.

However, and even though you are correct that the US could well stand to be returned to its "founding principles" (at least that version that innocent young school children are taught are the real "founding principles" [as opposed to the REAL "founding principles" - essentially that the Founding Fathers wanted to set up a country where they {and those like them} maintained control of the Executive, the Judiciary, and the Senate while "the rabble" could play games and pretend to govern from the House]), that doesn't quite answer the question of whether any country which exhibits those 10 characteristics can truly be considered to be "democratic" rather than "an amoral oligarchic kleptocracy" - does it?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The one essential freedom is freedom of speech on the basis of common citizenship, not privilege.

The US constitution does NOT guarantee "freedom of speech to American citizens". Rather it guarantees (subject to such reasonable restrictions as may be provided by law) "freedom of speech to everyone who is in America".

 

[JackA]

The US constitution does NOT guarantee "freedom of speech to American citizens". Rather it guarantees (subject to such reasonable restrictions as may be provided by law) "freedom of speech to everyone who is in America".

That's right, it does.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That's right, it does.

Some people appear to think that it only applies to "citizens".

I rather suspect that a goodly percentage of those who think that it only applies to "citizens" also think that it applies OUTSIDE of the United States of America.

 

[JackA]

Indeed "Freedom is messy." is a verity.

However, and even though you are correct that the US could well stand to be returned to its "founding principles" (at least that version that innocent young school children are taught are the real "founding principles" [as opposed to the REAL "founding principles" - essentially that the Founding Fathers wanted to set up a country where they {and those like them} maintained control of the Executive, the Judiciary, and the Senate while "the rabble" could play games and pretend to govern from the House]), that doesn't quite answer the question of whether any country which exhibits those 10 characteristics can truly be considered to be "democratic" rather than "an amoral oligarchic kleptocracy" - does it?

There is a difference between "exhibiting" those characteristics and the being dominated by them. The U.S. is sometimes amoral or immoral especially in its foreign policies, it can act like an oligarchic kleptocracy and it can also both govern well and provide the sort of international leadership other countries value, depending on when and circumstances. These are national characteristics, but Americans also live their lives in the orbit of their communities, by the influences of town, city and state governments, and standards of civility apart from government altogether.

 

[calamity]

More "Holy crap!" stuff.

BREAKING: Florida added 5508 new COVID-19 cases overnight crushing previous record from Saturday of 4049.

Uhlfelder

Those are Texas/Cali-like numbers: states with twice the population.

 

[Conservative]

More "Holy crap!" stuff.



Those are Texas/Cali-like numbers: states with twice the population.

It is quite telling how the left and you always want to blame someone else for poor personal choice decisions you make as there are never any consequences in the liberal world and always someone else to blame. You really don't care about the number of infections only political points by blaming the President for your failure to accept responsibility for the choices you make. The President is right, you cannot delegate responsibility and the responsibility for your actions aren't HIS!!

 

[ElChupacabra]

It is quite telling how the left and you always want to blame someone else for poor personal choice decisions you make as there are never any consequences in the liberal world and always someone else to blame. You really don't care about the number of infections only political points by blaming the President for your failure to accept responsibility for the choices you make. The President is right, you cannot delegate responsibility and the responsibility for your actions aren't HIS!!

And you are an adamant apologists for those in authority; you seem to think they can just say what they want without consequence. If you were an advocate of people being responsible, you would advocate responsibility across the board.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

There is a difference between "exhibiting" those characteristics and the being dominated by them. The U.S. is sometimes amoral or immoral especially in its foreign policies, it can act like an oligarchic kleptocracy and it can also both govern well and provide the sort of international leadership other countries value, depending on when and circumstances. These are national characteristics, but Americans also live their lives in the orbit of their communities, by the influences of town, city and state governments, and standards of civility apart from government altogether.

Indeed, the US "can act like an oligarchic kleptocracy and it can also both govern well and provide the sort of international leadership other countries value". The question is which is predominant and how is the balance shifting.

Under Mr. Trump, the balance is towards the "oligarchic kleptocracy" and Mr. Trump keeps trying to shift the balance ever further in that direction.

That is NOT an indictment of either "The American Ideal", "The American Dream", "The American People", or even "The United States of America". That deals solely with Mr. Trump and "Claque Trump". Of course if "First they came for the ..." becomes the predominant mood of the majority of the country, I might have to reconsider that.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

More "Holy crap!" stuff.



Those are Texas/Cali-like numbers: states with twice the population.

The situations in Florida and Texas are JUGELY important to Mr. Trump (those states tend to vote Republican).

 

[Manc Skipper]

Just so you don't feel completely alone, here's what happened on our local beach today. Johnson reduced the social distance by half!

I heard the traffic news this morning and knew what was heading our way and stayed at home.

 

[calamity]

Presidential incompetence on full display, Folks.

 

[Robertinfremont]

33,000 new cases today. First day over 30,000 since May 1.

United States Coronavirus: 2,297,190 Cases and 121,407 Deaths - Worldometer

Texas with 4500 of them. FL, CA and AZ all with over 3000 each. 5 more states with over 1000 each.

Holy Crapola!

Probably in the Democrat ran Houston area.
Hey, I never have got the virus.

I suppose I can get it by moving to a Democrat ran area of this country.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Presidential incompetence on full display, Folks.

Trump carries the virus in his lunch pail. And only infects Democrats where they live.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Just so you don't feel completely alone, here's what happened on our local beach today. Johnson reduced the social distance by half!

I heard the traffic news this morning and knew what was heading our way and stayed at home.

Is Johnson like our Democrats or our Republicans?

 

[Robertinfremont]

The situations in Florida and Texas are JUGELY important to Mr. Trump (those states tend to vote Republican).

Yeah, Trump calls both states and says, I order you to open up:roll:

 

[Robertinfremont]

And you are an adamant apologists for those in authority; you seem to think they can just say what they want without consequence. If you were an advocate of people being responsible, you would advocate responsibility across the board.

Like you do to Cuomo?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Indeed, the US "can act like an oligarchic kleptocracy and it can also both govern well and provide the sort of international leadership other countries value". The question is which is predominant and how is the balance shifting.

Under Mr. Trump, the balance is towards the "oligarchic kleptocracy" and Mr. Trump keeps trying to shift the balance ever further in that direction.

That is NOT an indictment of either "The American Ideal", "The American Dream", "The American People", or even "The United States of America". That deals solely with Mr. Trump and "Claque Trump". Of course if "First they came for the ..." becomes the predominant mood of the majority of the country, I might have to reconsider that.

Why the hell do you want or expect the USA to run other countries?

 

[Robertinfremont]

And you are an adamant apologists for those in authority; you seem to think they can just say what they want without consequence. If you were an advocate of people being responsible, you would advocate responsibility across the board.

Now what took the starch out of your underwear? I have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[Robertinfremont]

It is quite telling how the left and you always want to blame someone else for poor personal choice decisions you make as there are never any consequences in the liberal world and always someone else to blame. You really don't care about the number of infections only political points by blaming the President for your failure to accept responsibility for the choices you make. The President is right, you cannot delegate responsibility and the responsibility for your actions aren't HIS!!

Ummm, they love being called Liberals. It is like they favor you. But we both know they are intolerant people.