Hochul to Zeldin on crime: 'I don't know why that's so important to you

[Paradoxical]

What are you talking about? Denmark has an influx of Syrian refugees.
The U.S. GDP per capita is $69,000. Denmark's is $68,000, primarily because they take more vacations. Taxes are higher in Denmark but the government pays for much of what Americans pay out-of-pocket, like health insurance. Their social safety net is much stronger too. As I said, there is a lot to learn from Denmark.

How many refugees are coming to Denmark

refugees.dk

"The number of new applications is historically low these years, and the border closures due to Covid-19 reduced the numbers even more. During 2020, only 1,515 new applications were filed in total. In 2019 the number was 2,700, and in 2018 it was 3,500.

Since the spring of 2016, the number of new arrivals has been low, and decreasing slowly. Adding to this, Denmark has since 2015 not accepted the 500 resettlement refugees per year from UN which we did through 38 years. This year we only accepted 200."

Do you really think this compares to the 5 MILLION estimated illegals waved in by Mayorkis, Harris, and Biden???

You may have missed this:

Denmark is now closing it’s borders, stopping Muslim immigration, demanding from Muslim immigrants proof of employment and assimilation in Danish culture. : OrlyTaitzEsq.com

Denmark has learned its lesson. America should take note.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Because we are the most diverse country in the world and while it is taboo to talk about cultures or races, we have some troubling issues within different cultures that tend to lend themselves to crime.

If you take a historical perspective, you might find that it has less to do with different cultures or races and more to do with the socio-economic issues most immigrants face. This same claim you're making is the same one made against the Irish, Italians, and eastern Europeans. The problem of crime isn't inherent in a race or culture, or in people necessarily, but their environment and conditions can make it more or less prevalent. The Irish immigrants who first came en-masse to NYC were often critiqued for being criminals, and bringing gang violence to the city at the time; the same went for the Italians just as two examples.

I don't disagree with this but we also have a pretty robust social safety net that can be taken advantage of. What we need to be doing is having them prioritize education and then we wouldn't have 'bad' local environments.

We do have social safety net, but to your point, knowing how to navigate it so you're doing more than just surviving is an important piece of it too; that ties into the education component. The other challenge for education is the cost of college/trade school education, which of course there are scholarships people can get, but that's not going to serve the larger majority. That said, there are people who make it through the ranks, and familial support definitely plays a part in that.

Some of the best boys clubs are in the poor areas of town. No, it isn't easy to blame the parents, its the truth. This is all part and parcel of that culture issue I was referring to earlier. Prioritize education and don't have babies out of wedlock (or significant other around). Two incomes sure does help

The fact I had parents who continually kept me on the right path was a big part of that, the challenge is family dynamics aren't something we can legislate, and just because people are married doesn't mean they're providing a supportive environment outside of just the financial. From a cultural perspective, your point doesn't really stand, and I'll explain why. In the case of Latinos, the sense of family is very strong considering they come from countries where Catholicism still has very strong roots. Having children out of wedlock is still a taboo among the older generations, and with abortion being a taboo in those situations as well, you often have families stretched out pretty thin in terms of support.

Likely what Yang discussed as a UBI. Career independence for women, while a good thing, also severely affected our youth. So yay for the women's movement but also Boo. The sexual revolution certainly did us no favors though.

Everything has it's negative impact, and the single earner home had its drawbacks as well, which is in part why the feminist movement grew. Some of the challenges we face now are the declining birth rates among people in the upper classes, and I suspect that has a lot more to do with personal goals and priorities than it does about race and culture. We see the same dynamic in Japan, where a strong middle class just isn't reproducing at a level that will replenish the losses of the older generations.

I read about a prison in Louisiana a few years back that had a 2% recidivism rate. They lived in tents, worked an 8 hr day and got fed three meals, or something like that.
But that reminded people of chain gangs so it was done away with. Probably 'cruel and definitely unusual' but it worked.

The question there is why was the recidivism rate as low as it was.

 

[MTAtech]

Because we are the most diverse country in the world and while it is taboo to talk about cultures or races, we have some troubling issues within different cultures that tend to lend themselves to crime.
…

While some immediately think of black people, violent crime in predominantly white areas is much higher. I previously used very white Salt Lake City as an example of one of the worst crime cities with a 26% increase.

 

[Paradoxical]

While some immediately think of black people, violent crime in predominantly white areas is much higher. I previously used very white Salt Lake City as an example of one of the worst crime cities with a 26% increase.

What about other white cities per capita?

I would blame Mitt Romney the RINO for SLC.

 

[Cope]

If you take a historical perspective, you might find that it has less to do with different cultures or races and more to do with the socio-economic issues most immigrants face. This same claim you're making is the same one made against the Irish, Italians, and eastern Europeans. The problem of crime isn't inherent in a race or culture, or in people necessarily, but their environment and conditions can make it more or less prevalent. The Irish immigrants who first came en-masse to NYC were often critiqued for being criminals, and bringing gang violence to the city at the time; the same went for the Italians just as two examples.

The claim was made because they did bring crime, and at the time, it certainly was cultural, but things have changed. Those cultures have been integrated and have assimlated to the point that no one talks about Italians or Irish any longer, but we certainly do talk about the Blacks or the Latinos. They need to integrate and assimilate as well. Except then politicians would have to garner votes on something other than identity politics.

We do have social safety net, but to your point, knowing how to navigate it so you're doing more than just surviving is an important piece of it too; that ties into the education component. The other challenge for education is the cost of college/trade school education, which of course there are scholarships people can get, but that's not going to serve the larger majority. That said, there are people who make it through the ranks, and familial support definitely plays a part in that.

Sure it plays a big part, support in every sense does. Parental is primary. I'm not against college costs being lowered. I think to do that though, it needs to stop being for 'everyone' and we need to get governmental guarantees away from the loan side of things.

The fact I had parents who continually kept me on the right path was a big part of that, the challenge is family dynamics aren't something we can legislate, and just because people are married doesn't mean they're providing a supportive environment outside of just the financial. From a cultural perspective, your point doesn't really stand, and I'll explain why. In the case of Latinos, the sense of family is very strong considering they come from countries where Catholicism still has very strong roots. Having children out of wedlock is still a taboo among the older generations, and with abortion being a taboo in those situations as well, you often have families stretched out pretty thin in terms of support.

So we need more or a stronger religious aspect to living(the left fights this tooth and nail). No, i'm not at all religious but I can certainly see the good that a solid moral foundation does to all aspects of life. From out of wedlock sex to supporting your children to not killing people.

Everything has it's negative impact, and the single earner home had its drawbacks as well, which is in part why the feminist movement grew. Some of the challenges we face now are the declining birth rates among people in the upper classes, and I suspect that has a lot more to do with personal goals and priorities than it does about race and culture. We see the same dynamic in Japan, where a strong middle class just isn't reproducing at a level that will replenish the losses of the older generations.

Those 2 certainly have more identifiable drawbacks than positives (especially the free love movement that gave us babies galore and drugs). As far as reproduction goes: Some people say we are too dense now and I happen to agree with them. We don't have to keep repopulating at the same rate in order to be successful. We shouldn't be basing our expenditures in government on a constant growth model anyway.

The question there is why was the recidivism rate as low as it was.

It was low because no one wanted to go back to that type of environment. It was hard, back breaking labor and no free or fun time.

I also want to say it has been enjoyable discussing with you, it doesn't happen often here.

 

[Cope]

While some immediately think of black people, violent crime in predominantly white areas is much higher. I previously used very white Salt Lake City as an example of one of the worst crime cities with a 26% increase.

I tend or try to not think color, I tend to think areas. Those areas certainly follow a low economic curve, but the cultures that are in those areas certainly play a big part as well.

 

[VanceMack]

While some immediately think of black people, violent crime in predominantly white areas is much higher. I previously used very white Salt Lake City as an example of one of the worst crime cities with a 26% increase.

SLC as an example remains consistent. Leftist democrat mayors, efforts to defund the police, a sift on crime district attorney, early release of criminals and emptying the jails, and cancelling the previously successful effort to end the homeless problem, as well as an increase in both Latino and pacific islander gang activity have all fueled the increases.

Violent crime and property crime surge in Salt Lake City, up more than 20% in 2020

Crimes of violence, including homicide and aggravated assault are up by more than 20% in Salt Lake City during the pandemic. Motor vehicle thefts also have spiked. Residents complain of too-slow police response times and some worry about an increase in vigilantism.

www.sltrib.com

 

[sub1028]

Show your work. Cite the case you are upset about.

The reality is the number of murders in the subway system has been far higher this year than in past years. When I say that they’ve had a higher number of murders this year, that number is nine so far, on a system that even postpandemic often carries more than 3.5 million passengers each workday. As a comparison, as of Oct 11, New York had six shark attacks. Florida had 21,

Attacks in subway cars or on subway platforms during rush hour are an extreme example that does make headlines and gives the false impression of out-of-control crime. Fortunately, the current Governor is right to see these as a reason to step up police presence and video surveillance.

Another comparison is that Salt Lake City is in the list of the top 100 most dangerous cities in the United States for the first time since 2018, with a 26% year-over-year increase in violent crime. They didn't do bail reform in Salt Lake City.

well, you don't watch the news, you're not my teacher do your own work,

NYC on Edge: Woman Flung Down Subway Stairs, Rider Shoved to Tracks in Latest Random Attacks

People shoved in front of trains. Good Samaritans stabbed. Sucker punches to the head. A samurai Sword. Random attacks — and homicides — in New York City’s transit system have New Yorkers on edge in recent weeks, despite assurances from the mayor and governor that subways are safe. More...

www.nbcnewyork.com

NYC subway shover was free on assault case thanks to bail reform

Anthonia Egegbara has been charged with attempted murder for allegedly pushing Lenny Javier into the side of an arriving subway at Times Square on Monday.

nypost.com

Accused subway shover with lengthy rap sheet ordered held on bail

Clarence Anderson, who police believe is emotionally disturbed, was ordered to be held behind bars on $60,000 bail.

nypost.com

Suspect in NYC ‘knockout-game’ subway attack held on $20K bail: ‘Why am I in trouble?’

The “problem kid” charged with slugging a 62-year-old straphanger at a Bronx subway station is being held on $20,000 bail at his arraignment early Tuesday morning.

nypost.com

Career criminal indicted on murder charge freed without bail by NYC judge

A career criminal indicted in February on a murder charge for allegedly beating to death a 67-year-old man was freed without bail by a Manhattan judge on Thursday, The Post has learned.

nypost.com

California county saw 70% of criminal suspects released on $0 bail commit new crimes: DA

More than 70% of suspects released without bai in Yolo County between 2020 and 2021 went on to commit new crimes. Of 595 individuals released, 420 were rearrested.

www.foxnews.com

I got the links, but this debate is over you can't change my mind on crime, and I am sure you won't change yours no matter how wrong

 

[VanceMack]

What about other white cities per capita?

I would blame Mitt Romney the RINO for SLC.

Romney isnt the problem in Salt Lake. Leftist policies from leftist politicians that refuse to address growing problems...that is what is contributing to the increase in violent crime in SLC.

 

[Gatsby]

MSN

Gov. Kathy Hochul (D-NY) appeared upset over Rep. Lee Zeldin's (R-NY) focus on crime during the New York gubernatorial debate Tuesday.





Me: I am amazed that she actually said it! It proves I was right when I left the party of Biden, they are all tone deaf, they only want power. Almost like Hillary and what difference at this point does it make?

Politics 101: Never tell people that an issue they care about isn't important. At least have some sort of sound bite for each major issue.

 

[Paradoxical]

Romney isnt the problem in Salt Lake. Leftist policies from leftist politicians that refuse to address growing problems...that is what is contributing to the increase in violent crime in SLC.

I was only kidding about Romney. It would be interesting to dive into why Salt Lake City is having so much crime. I haven't checked into it.

 

[Paradoxical]

Politics 101: Never tell people that an issue they care about isn't important. At least have some sort of sound bite for each major issue.

Let's hope that remark, made in an unusual moment of candor, sinks that lady. She should have remembered that a good Democrat never tells the truth in a debate.

 

[Donatello]

MSN

Gov. Kathy Hochul (D-NY) appeared upset over Rep. Lee Zeldin's (R-NY) focus on crime during the New York gubernatorial debate Tuesday.





Me: I am amazed that she actually said it! It proves I was right when I left the party of Biden, they are all tone deaf, they only want power. Almost like Hillary and what difference at this point does it make?

Good for you. Patting yourself on the back for being right. Why are you including Hillary? She's not running for anything. Is she?

 

[MTAtech]

well, you don't watch the news, you're not my teacher do your own work,

NYC on Edge: Woman Flung Down Subway Stairs, Rider Shoved to Tracks in Latest Random Attacks

People shoved in front of trains. Good Samaritans stabbed. Sucker punches to the head. A samurai Sword. Random attacks — and homicides — in New York City’s transit system have New Yorkers on edge in recent weeks, despite assurances from the mayor and governor that subways are safe. More...

www.nbcnewyork.com

NYC subway shover was free on assault case thanks to bail reform

Anthonia Egegbara has been charged with attempted murder for allegedly pushing Lenny Javier into the side of an arriving subway at Times Square on Monday.

nypost.com

Accused subway shover with lengthy rap sheet ordered held on bail

Clarence Anderson, who police believe is emotionally disturbed, was ordered to be held behind bars on $60,000 bail.

nypost.com

Suspect in NYC ‘knockout-game’ subway attack held on $20K bail: ‘Why am I in trouble?’

The “problem kid” charged with slugging a 62-year-old straphanger at a Bronx subway station is being held on $20,000 bail at his arraignment early Tuesday morning.

nypost.com

Career criminal indicted on murder charge freed without bail by NYC judge

A career criminal indicted in February on a murder charge for allegedly beating to death a 67-year-old man was freed without bail by a Manhattan judge on Thursday, The Post has learned.

nypost.com

California county saw 70% of criminal suspects released on $0 bail commit new crimes: DA

More than 70% of suspects released without bai in Yolo County between 2020 and 2021 went on to commit new crimes. Of 595 individuals released, 420 were rearrested.

www.foxnews.com

I got the links, but this debate is over you can't change my mind on crime, and I am sure you won't change yours no matter how wrong

I already know I can’t change your mind, regardless of facts.
Again, we are seeing crime rise nationwide in places that didn’t change bail laws. In statistics, if the unchanged variable has the same change the hypothesis fails. Thus, the hypothesis that bail reform is causing more crime is unproven. All you have are antidotal examples..

 

[sub1028]

I already know I can’t change your mind, regardless of facts.
Again, we are seeing crime rise nationwide in places that didn’t change bail laws. In statistics, if the unchanged variable has the same change the hypothesis fails. Thus, the hypothesis that bail reform is causing more crime is unproven. All you have are antidotal examples..

read the articles all of them say released without bail you're the one who denies facts, Antidotal lmfao there are films on youtube if you're interested would you be willing to tell the victims these crimes are antidotal?

 

[sub1028]

Good for you. Patting yourself on the back for being right. Why are you including Hillary? She's not running for anything. Is she?

it was an example of being tone deaf, so what do want me to pat you on the back?

 

[eman623]

It's important to Zeldin because it's important to the voters

 

[Donatello]

it was an example of being tone deaf, so what do want me to pat you on the back?

I'd rather eat a bug.

 

[sub1028]

I'd rather eat a bug.

me too! who you thinking of lol

 

[Cope]

I already know I can’t change your mind, regardless of facts.
Again, we are seeing crime rise nationwide in places that didn’t change bail laws. In statistics, if the unchanged variable has the same change the hypothesis fails. Thus, the hypothesis that bail reform is causing more crime is unproven. All you have are antidotal examples..

Why?