In fact you did. For we had a post which talked about cracking down on the companies which hire illegal immigrants to which you responded that you wish the government would. Yet when I mentioned that there were such companies and if you were really worried about it you'd look into and stop buying from them; you claimed that you needed a list as if no such company exists. So which is it? Should we come down hard on the government for allowing companies to hire illegal aliens, or are there no companies which hire illegal aliens.
I doubt that anyone who supports illegal immigrants gives two ****s about your disapproval of their stance. I'm sure some even revel in it.
Wait. Your family came here from Cuba, right?
Think about how your comments relate to their deeply personal decision to GTFO of Cuba. If not their own decision, then think of millions of other Cubans who made the deeply personal decision to leave their homeland for political and ideological reasons after Castro took power.
Your theory sucks.
No, not at all. There have been raids on factories and industries for using illegal immigrants. Greely had a huge raid on the meat packing plant there. Many seasonal agricultural products such as strawberries are harvested with illegal alien labor. Lawn care services the country over hire many illegal immigrants because they can pay them poorly. A lot of construction is done with illegal immigrant labor. I mean, I figured this stuff was common knowledge at this point. But instead we have you trying to deflect away not only the fact that this takes place regularly, but your duty to understand and know about it. It's piss poor. People want to bitch about the illegal immigrant problem, but it's a problem through our consumerism. If we changed that, we could affect the system. But it takes getting up off your fat, lazy ass to do something about it. An act not many seem to want to do. In fact, you yourself are a prime example. You wanted the answer handed to you and when you didn't get it, you just ignored the problem. So thanks for contributing to the problem and working hard to be intellectually dishonest and lazy about it. But it's not doing anything to help out where we are at or to drive us to better circumstances. For that, you need educated consumerism. And no, the answer will not be given to you. You're going to actually have to do some work. Sorry, but the system doesn't stay controlled and regulated through no effort. You have to expend energy to keep the Republic going. So do it, or shut up. Because if you're just going to be part of the problem, no one wants to hear you bitching about the problem.
Just out of curiosity, how does your example of a blood thirsty regime in Cuba relate to Arizona's law?
I must have missed the part in that law where people are shot in the middle of the night.
It should be that Arizona can take action and the Feds cannot. Just as there is no clause that limits State authority, there is no clause that grants federal authority.
According to the 10th, that means it is reserved to the States.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the Congressional power to regulate naturalization, in Article 1, Section 8, includes the power to regulate immigration (see, for example, Hampton v. Mow Sun Wong, 426 U.S. 88 [1976]). It would not make sense to allow Congress to pass laws to determine how an immigrant becomes a naturalized resident if the Congress cannot determine how that immigrant can come into the country in the first place.
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
If you actually think a landscape company with a couple illegal aliens cutting grass is "promoting" illegal immigration, then I can't help you. You are so far into left field that I have no interest in further discussions on the subject with you.
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It doesn't relate to Arizona's law. Where'd you get the silly idea that what I was doing was making a comparison of the laws?
Wait. Your family came here from Cuba, right?
Think about how your comments relate to their deeply personal decision to GTFO of Cuba. If not their own decision, then think of millions of other Cubans who made the deeply personal decision to leave their homeland for political and ideological reasons after Castro took power.
You could stop buying from those companies. You can put pressure on the politicians. You can vote for people more willing to crack down. We're not yet completely out of the loop; we still have some influence on the system. Both politically and economically. You don't need to wait for the government to do something.
I don't know..... maybe because we are discussing Arizona's law and the people that are leaveing, and you compared Dav's family to the topic? Could be wrong.
Thread derail!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I'll help out. :mrgreen:
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That's the justification, but I'm more with you.
Problem is, would Oregon have the right then to transport an Illegal Alien from Mexico through California and send that Alien back across the border? (this is assumeing Oregon passed a law like Arizona)
His comment wasn't political. It was that "Cuba went wrong when people became unable to separate politics from their personal lives." This is a belief that intermingling politics and perosnal lives is dangerous and will always lead to problems.
Thus, it would be a stupid decision to go to a country that has had this same exact problem since it's very inception.
He should isntead have gone to a country that was founded by people who do not allow politics and ideology to enter into their personal lives, as this would prevent the same thing form occuring in his new homeland.
It's not his ideology that should have guided his decision, his practical application of a belief he had should have guided his decision.
I'm describing reality. Your position is in defiance of reality. You formulate your political positions and ideology based on personal preferences. They are intertwined from the very start. Your father would be searching for a very, very long time for the mythical land where politics and perosnal lives are not intertwined. There is no other possibility.
How about "encouraging Illegal Immigration"? I’d like to see every State pass draconian laws about businesses hiring Illegal Aliens….. Laws tough enough to put a business out of business if they knowingly do hire just 1.
There is no such thing as a “job Americans won’t do” There are jobs employers are getting away with offering substandard wages because of our Illegal Alien problem.
To be clear, I am not calling for neglecting border security, I just firmly believe that we can never really stop the flow of terrorists. They will adapt and find a way. We can however do better than we have.
I think the bigger solution is to reduce the success of those who come here illegally by going after people who employ or shelter illegals.
racist...no reason to argue with some irrational moronHispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law - USATODAY.com
Looks like the new law is having the desired effect. Now if they would just do the same (enforce our current laws) on a national scale, the problem would be solved. Good job Arizona.
racist...no reason to argue with some irrational moron
racist...no reason to argue with some irrational moron
Now, when I say politics, I'm not talking about POLICIES.
Ah, you are correct in saying that I didn't get what you meant by personal decisions. But that's in no small part due to the fact that you brought it up as a rebuttal to a comment about a decision to move out of a state over that state's policies.
Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law - USATODAY.com
Looks like the new law is having the desired effect. Now if they would just do the same (enforce our current laws) on a national scale, the problem would be solved. Good job Arizona.
Yeah, but you were talking about them doing it to "take a stand", rather than because it affected them in any way. Now, if it's a situation like what you described in the rest of your post, then I'd perfectly understand why they'd want to leave.
Well California is not to far away, I am sure California will welcome them with open arms. Perhaps Arizona should have free bus rides to the california state line.Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law - USATODAY.com
Looks like the new law is having the desired effect. Now if they would just do the same (enforce our current laws) on a national scale, the problem would be solved. Good job Arizona.
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