Hillary Clinton pledges half a billion solar panels for US if she wins office

[Fenton]

No one expected you to open a link and educate yourself.

So you cant answer ?

Why post that ridiculous article if you can't back up its claims ?

 

[Montecresto]

I might. I don't know what the letters PV are referencing. It looks like you find honesty shocking.

Photovoltaic. Not shocked at honesty, but I'll leave it there.

 

[Montecresto]

So you cant answer ?

Why post that ridiculous article if you can't back up its claims ?

I provided the answer. But you don't want answers, you want fossils.

Transition from Non-Renewable Energy to Sustainable Energy

 

[Fenton]

I provided the answer. But you don't want answers, you want fossils.

So you think the cost of producing electricity from Solar starts and stops at the manufacturing level ?

 

[Montecresto]

So you think the cost of producing electricity from Solar starts and stops at the manufacturing level ?

What I know is that fossil fuels are finite, dirty, polluting the planet, damaging the health of humans and animals and must be replaced with alternatives, and money isn't the only cost. Stop living in the fossil age and become a part of the solution!

Despite past and present administration's hope that the transition from a society dependent on fossil fuels to a world of controlled population growth, sustainable economies and alternative green energies will be forthcoming, the vision seems a bit optimistic. This shift will take strong political and emotional fortitude and decades to accomplish. The transition is not only necessary for the planet's ecological survival; it's critical to the health and well being of every human. Each year the health of 54,000 Americans is compromised from air pollution generated by power plants. Premature death can be caused by acid rain and by particulates in the air that we breathe. Carbon-dioxide emissions are a major culprit in the rapid global warming, which remains a long-range fossil fuel problem.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by PV.

So, there are no cheap renewables now. Just a promise that some day...

Photovoltaics. Seriously, if you don't know that old acronym, I have no idea how anyone can believe your appeals to authority.

 

[natsb]

Photovoltaic. Not shocked at honesty, but I'll leave it there.

Thank you. Yes, I know what photovoltaic is. Since this tread has established that solar is not feasible or cheaper, I was convinced that PV stood for something else.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Since this tread has established

Threads don't establish anything.

 

[Fenton]

What I know is that fossil fuels are finite, dirty, polluting the planet, damaging the health of humans and animals and must be replaced with alternatives, and money isn't the only cost. Stop living in the fossil age and become a part of the solution!

Despite past and present administration's hope that the transition from a society dependent on fossil fuels to a world of controlled population growth, sustainable economies and alternative green energies will be forthcoming, the vision seems a bit optimistic. This shift will take strong political and emotional fortitude and decades to accomplish. The transition is not only necessary for the planet's ecological survival; it's critical to the health and well being of every human. Each year the health of 54,000 Americans is compromised from air pollution generated by power plants. Premature death can be caused by acid rain and by particulates in the air that we breathe. Carbon-dioxide emissions are a major culprit in the rapid global warming, which remains a long-range fossil fuel problem.

Stop living in a dream world and stop expecting everyone else to exist in that dream world with you

We already have alternatives to Fossil Fuel, Nuclear.

There's no need to force consumers to pay substantially MORE for electricity from a inferior technology.

And there's nothing " green " or pollution free about Solar.

 

[natsb]

Photovoltaics. Seriously, if you don't know that old acronym, I have no idea how anyone can believe your appeals to authority.

So sue me. In my world PV means paravirtualization, and I knew that couldn't be right. I did look up PV and found photovoltaics as one of the options, but I assumed that couldn't be it because he said it was a cheap renewable that is available now. Sometimes I am too literal. Whipping accepted.

 

[Montecresto]

Thank you. Yes, I know what photovoltaic is. Since this tread has established that solar is not feasible or cheaper, I was convinced that PV stood for something else.

This thread has established neither. I can't believe you even just said that since I've told you that I've been using it for nearly twenty years now.

 

[Montecresto]

Stop living in a dream world and stop expecting everyone else to exist in that dream world with you

We already have alternatives to Fossil Fuel, Nuclear.

There's no need to force consumers to pay substantially MORE for electricity from a inferior technology.

And there's nothing " green " or pollution free about Solar.

Your being forced to do NOTHING. Just keep slurping from your fossil straw and don't worry about it. Others will pick up this ball.

 

[sawdust]

Cool.

Hillary Clinton pledges half a billion solar panels for US if she wins office | US news | The Guardian

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has announced goals for increasing US reliance on renewable energy, pledging to have more than half a billion solar panels installed nationwide within four years of taking office. Clinton, the frontrunner for her party’s 2016 presidential nomination, also pledged on her website on Sunday that the US would generate enough clean renewable energy to power every home in the country within 10 years of taking office.

She can install them right next to Obama's hundreds of thousands of electric cars. I don't know why anyone who would believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

 

[Threegoofs]

Actually, I was using your numbers. If they are made up, I am guilty. There you go with the cherry picking again. In your link, you will find that the 28.5 number, which is never backed up by data, is derived from a two quarter period in one year; 2014. Just like the 78% number, it does not come close to representing a constant.

So without the Government teat, the solar program is not feasible. Sounds like failure to me. You have displayed much better spin skills than that. We'll call that a mulligan. Could you please try again?

Oh. So you didn't understand the data and made up stuff.

The 28% number is only for two quarters because it is representing a peak, in other words the percentage has been steadily increasing for years.

You realize that making stuff up doesn't help your case, right?

 

[Fenton]

Oh. So you didn't understand the data and made up stuff.

The 28% number is only for two quarters because it is representing a peak, in other words the percentage has been steadily increasing for years.

You realize that making stuff up doesn't help your case, right?

Oh the irony !

Hahaha !

One of driving factors behind renewables is AGW. A entirely MADE UP narrative that only exist in Computer models built on manipulated data.

 

[Threegoofs]

Oh the irony !

Hahaha !

One of driving factors behind renewables is AGW. A entirely MADE UP narrative that only exist in Computer models built on manipulated data.

As I've mentioned several times before...you would do well to read more.

 

[Fenton]

As I've mentioned several times before...you would do well to read more.

Yes, more " Think Progress " propaganda..

No thanks

Back to the OP. Who's Hillary Clinton trying to impress with this ridiculous plan to waste 500 Million dollars on Solar panels ?

Bernie Sanders supporters ? Who else would be that misinformed in general to think that this is a good idea ?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

As I've mentioned several times before...you would do well to read more.

And work on math skills.

 

[natsb]

Oh. So you didn't understand the data and made up stuff.

The 28% number is only for two quarters because it is representing a peak, in other words the percentage has been steadily increasing for years.

You realize that making stuff up doesn't help your case, right?

Before you get deeper in trouble, look up the term Projection. I have made nothing up. In fact, you have become most agitated when I accepted the numbers you provided. That is irony.

A peak only shows an unusual outlier in the data when it occurs once. In order to be part of a trend, it has to be repeatable.

I have followed your link all the way to the German site where they got the 28.5 number. Let us put the projection and the made up stuff claim to rest. Simply show us the data from your own link that supports the claim: "in other words the percentage has been steadily increasing for years." I believe that will close the case on who is making stuff up.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Stop living in a dream world and stop expecting everyone else to exist in that dream world with you

We already have alternatives to Fossil Fuel, Nuclear.

There's no need to force consumers to pay substantially MORE for electricity from a inferior technology.

And there's nothing " green " or pollution free about Solar.

Other energy sources like nuclear and oil have gotten a lot more of government subsidies compared to renewable for example in USA.

Other key findings in the report include:

• Energy industries have enjoyed a century of federal support. From 1918 to 2009, the oil and gas industry received $446.96 billion (adjusted for inflation) in cumulative energy subsidies. Renewable energy sources received $5.93 billion (adjusted for inflation) for a much shorter period from 1994-2009.
• Average annual support for the oil and gas industry has been $4.86 billion (1918-2009), compared to $3.50 billion for nuclear (1947-1999) and $0.37 billion (1994-2009) for renewable energy.

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Subsidies-For-Oil-Gas-Nuclear-vs.-Renewables

Also then for example Kuwait was invaded by Iraq it was not the oil companies that had to pay for the Gulf War to secure the flow of oil. Instead it was the taxpayers in USA and the other participating countries that had to pay for the war.

Also look at the enormous cost of the Fukushima ther the Japanese government have to go in cover a large part of that cost.

Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Tokyo Electric Power Co. asked the government for more aid after estimating it may need at least 11 trillion yen ($137 billion) to cover costs from last year’s nuclear disaster at its Fukushima Dai-Ichi power plant. The utility, which has lost 94 percent in Tokyo trading since the March 2011 disaster, may have to pay more than 10 trillion yen to decontaminate areas around the plant and compensate those affected by the disaster, it said in a two-year business plan through March 2015 released yesterday.

http://www.rt.com/news/183052-japan-fukushima-costs-study/

That at the same time both wind and solar are emerging technologies that get more and more competitive with other energy sources. That leads to a drastic increase in investment in renewable globally.

Global investment in renewable energy skyrockets | ExtremeTech

Fossil Fuels Just Lost the Race Against Renewables - Bloomberg Business


And also in individual countries like Germany, China, India, Denmark, UK

Power from fossil fuel drops to 35-year low in Germany – German Energy Transition

http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2015/02/27/china-renewable-energy-growth/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-renewable-capacity-to-175-gigawatts-by-2022

http://ecowatch.com/2015/01/09/countries-leading-way-renewable-energy/

 

[Fenton]

Other energy sources like nuclear and oil have gotten a lot more of government subsidies compared to renewable for example in USA.


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http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Subsidies-For-Oil-Gas-Nuclear-vs.-Renewables

Also then for example Kuwait was invaded by Iraq it was not the oil companies that had to pay for the Gulf War to secure the flow of oil. Instead it was the taxpayers in USA and the other participating countries that had to pay for the war.

Also look at the enormous cost of the Fukushima ther the Japanese government have to go in cover a large part of that cost.



http://www.rt.com/news/183052-japan-fukushima-costs-study/

That at the same time both wind and solar are emerging technologies that get more and more competitive with other energy sources. That leads to a drastic increase in investment in renewable globally.

Global investment in renewable energy skyrockets | ExtremeTech

Fossil Fuels Just Lost the Race Against Renewables - Bloomberg Business


And also in individual countries like Germany, China, India, Denmark, UK

Power from fossil fuel drops to 35-year low in Germany – German Energy Transition

http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2015/02/27/china-renewable-energy-growth/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-renewable-capacity-to-175-gigawatts-by-2022

http://ecowatch.com/2015/01/09/countries-leading-way-renewable-energy/

The only reason why there's any investment in wind or solar is because its being mandated by Governments.

Energy policy is being shaped by the people who'se knowledge of power production and distribution stops at their wall receptacles

Not because its a comparable and practical technology.

There's no " skyrocketing " of new investment for Solar or wind , there's no demand for it in a market driven economy and its supporters continue to perpetuate little else but propaganda and misinformation.

And no, people are NOT investing in it.

Consumers aren't making the decision to invest 50 grand ( or more ) to put a whole home solar system up because its not practical and its not intelligent.

It doesn't make any sense especially in areas where the average Home needs 15-25kw to run everything.

Consumer advocates and local Police departments are actually WARNING home owners of Solar scams.

People are not convinced and will never be.

 

[Montecresto]

The only reason why there's any investment in wind or solar is because its being mandated by Governments.

Energy policy is being shaped by the people who'se knowledge of power production and distribution stops at their wall receptacles

Not because its a comparable and practical technology.

There's no " skyrocketing " of new investment for Solar or wind , there's no demand for it in a market driven economy and its supporters continue to perpetuate little else but propaganda and misinformation.

And no, people are NOT investing in it.

Consumers aren't making the decision to invest 50 grand ( or more ) to put a whole home solar system up because its not practical and its not intelligent.

It doesn't make any sense especially in areas where the average Home needs 15-25kw to run everything.

Consumer advocates and local Police departments are actually WARNING home owners of Solar scams.

People are not convinced and will never be.

To the bolded. Well sure, people need to be ever diligent against scamming salesmen. Such warnings are out there for all manor of business across the United States. The cops warning is that there's crooks, not that solar is bad. :roll: :doh

 

[Threegoofs]

Before you get deeper in trouble, look up the term Projection. I have made nothing up. In fact, you have become most agitated when I accepted the numbers you provided. That is irony.

A peak only shows an unusual outlier in the data when it occurs once. In order to be part of a trend, it has to be repeatable.

I have followed your link all the way to the German site where they got the 28.5 number. Let us put the projection and the made up stuff claim to rest. Simply show us the data from your own link that supports the claim: "in other words the percentage has been steadily increasing for years." I believe that will close the case on who is making stuff up.

You took the actual percentage and cut it in half, apparently because you think renewable energy only works in daylight hours.

That's what we call 'making stuff up'.

 

[Lord of Planar]

You're a horribly poor teacher and learner. Renewables aren't just a good idea, they're essential because your fossils have an end date. Hard to believe such idiocy can believe you can suck on that straw in the barrel and it magically won't run dry. So you do make your living off fossils? Btw, a decade ago 5% of global energy was renewable! it's now 22%, and as the IEA has pointed out, by 2050 that MUST be 65%, and in the mean time! cleaner energy advocates are working on R&D and hopefully new forms of renewables will emerge. You will be left choking on the deadly gases from your coal fired plants.

Fossil fuel, at some point, will have an end date.


Wouldn't it be better to let supply and demand pick when solar and wind is cheaper?

 

[natsb]

You took the actual percentage and cut it in half, apparently because you think renewable energy only works in daylight hours.

That's what we call 'making stuff up'.

So, I take it you cannot support the "has been steadily increasing for years" claim and feel the need for diversion; understood. That happens when people make stuff up. Just put the shovel down. It does no good to keep digging yourself deeper.

Yes, I think solar panels only work in the daylight. For that matter, I know it. If you need proof, just look at your own link. What do you think it means when the energy from solar appears during daylight hours, and then goes away at sunset? Here, I'll even save you the trouble of having to go back to your site. Solar is yellow.



hmmm... Is there a chance that you don't bother to investigate your own sources? As in, if it agrees with you, that is good enough.