Hillary campaigns at early voting location — in violation of NC law? [W:280]

[OpportunityCost]

It had nothing to do with ethics. Its a matter of local laws.

Ethics extend beyond legal and illegal.

 

[beefheart]

That its wrong.

I'd bet if Trump did it first, you would say nothing...:lamo

 

[haymarket]

Ethics extend beyond legal and illegal.

I agree. And they also do not start and stop at state lines. I informed you that in my state of Michigan both parties campaign right at polling places. This has nothing to do with ethics but what the law allows and the political culture in the state. You said your state of Illinois does not have it. What does the law say in your state? Here it is

Illinois General Assembly - Illinois Compiled Statutes

(c) No person shall do any electioneering or soliciting of votes on primary day within any polling place or within one hundred feet of any polling place, or, at the option of a church or private school, on any of the property of that church or private school that is a polling place. Election officers shall place 2 or more cones, small United States national flags, or some other marker a distance of 100 horizontal feet from each entrance to the room used by voters to engage in voting, which shall be known as the polling room. If the polling room is located within a building that is a private business, a public or private school, or a church or other organization founded for the purpose of religious worship and the distance of 100 horizontal feet ends within the interior of the building, then the markers shall be placed outside of the building at each entrance used by voters to enter that building on the grounds adjacent to the thoroughfare or walkway. If the polling room is located within a public or private building with 2 or more floors and the polling room is located on the ground floor, then the markers shall be placed 100 horizontal feet from each entrance to the polling room used by voters to engage in voting. If the polling room is located in a public or private building with 2 or more floors and the polling room is located on a floor above or below the ground floor, then the markers shall be placed a distance of 100 feet from the nearest elevator or staircase used by voters on the ground floor to access the floor where the polling room is located. The area within where the markers are placed shall be known as a campaign free zone, and electioneering is prohibited pursuant to this subsection. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Section, a church or private school may choose to apply the campaign free zone to its entire property, and, if so, the markers shall be placed near the boundaries on the grounds adjacent to the thoroughfares or walkways leading to the entrances used by the voters. At or near the door of each polling place, the election judges shall place signage indicating the proper entrance to the polling place. In addition, the election judges shall ensure that a sign identifying the location of the polling place is placed on a nearby public roadway. The State Board of Elections shall establish guidelines for the placement of polling place signage

So you campaign at polling places if you observe the rules and distances in law.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Did Hillary Clinton break polling place rules in North Carolina?

Did Hillary Clinton break polling place rules in North Carolina? | abc11.com

RALEIGH (WTVD) --
Hillary Clinton caused pandemonium at Raleigh's Chavis Park Sunday with her visit to a polling place, but officials say she did not break any rules.

Some who have seen video of the campaign stop have reached out to ABC11 questioning if she broke North Carolina law by being there.

.@HillaryClinton rolls up to the Chavis Center in Raleigh, NC to greet early voters and actress @UzoAduba #ABC11 #Decision2016 pic.twitter.com/X1xK7ZPJU9
— Tim Pulliam (@TimABC11) October 23, 2016



The election director in Wake County says she was hundreds of feet away from where people were voting. The buffer zone is 50 feet.

Clinton's visit wasn't a surprise to election officials onsite. They were briefed by Secret Service and they advised the campaign where she could and could not go.

"From my vantage point where I was at, I saw her get into the street and walk up onto the sidewalk. Hundreds of feet from the entrance of the polling place so definitely no violation there. Seen it with my own eyes," explained Director of Wake County Board of Elections Gary Sims.

 

[OpportunityCost]

I'd bet if Trump did it first, you would say nothing...:lamo

You would be wrong. But then you must be used to that.

 

[OpportunityCost]

I agree. And they also do not start and stop at state lines. I informed you that in my state of Michigan both parties campaign right at polling places. This has nothing to do with ethics but what the law allows and the political culture in the state. You said your state of Illinois does not have it. What does the law say in your state? Here it is

Illinois General Assembly - Illinois Compiled Statutes



So you campaign at polling places if you observe the rules and distances in law.

You are particularly adept at ignoring what I have typed, after asking for the information. In Illinois, particularly downstate, campaigning at polling sites, even near them, is frowned upon. Its not just about the law but the ethics and morality of such as well. I don't know where the tradition or bar to it started but it extends beyond the law.

 

[Absentglare]

Please look up optics. The optics of this situation is the appearance of doing something wrong. I was giving the reason why you shouldn't do something, not that she was doing it. I even gave the reasons why, you know those pesky things Democrats don't believe in, ethics and morality.

This isn't a democrat thing.

Take off those partisan blinders and open your eyes.

Now, there's a big difference here. What Hillary did wasn't even quasi-illegal. What more than a thousand pastors have done is unambiguously illegal.

"Still, it’s a little bit startling to see people who allegedly care so deeply about “election integrity” show so little integrity when it comes to following the laws of the land themselves. Why, if one didn’t know better, one might think they weren’t entirely sincere about their patriotic devotion to American democracy and simply want to rig the system for their own advantage."

 

[haymarket]

You are particularly adept at ignoring what I have typed, after asking for the information. In Illinois, particularly downstate, campaigning at polling sites, even near them, is frowned upon. Its not just about the law but the ethics and morality of such as well. I don't know where the tradition or bar to it started but it extends beyond the law.

So the people of Illinois - both parties and all their candidates - have so called ETHICS but people in other states don't?

Do you realize how patently absurd and outright ridiculous such a claim is that you have made here?

 

[beefheart]

Meanwhile:

REVEALED: Wisconsin clerk limits voting near campus because ‘students lean more toward the Democrats’

 

[OpportunityCost]

This isn't a democrat thing.

Take off those partisan blinders and open your eyes.

Now, there's a big difference here. What Hillary did wasn't even quasi-illegal. What more than a thousand pastors have done is unambiguously illegal.

"Still, it’s a little bit startling to see people who allegedly care so deeply about “election integrity” show so little integrity when it comes to following the laws of the land themselves. Why, if one didn’t know better, one might think they weren’t entirely sincere about their patriotic devotion to American democracy and simply want to rig the system for their own advantage."

Salon :lamo You realize that's been going on in pulpits for a very long time. Abortion is and remains a sin to most churches, you are surprised when they speak out against it? Amongst other moral issues that churches address every Sunday?

 

[OpportunityCost]

So the people of Illinois - both parties and all their candidates - have so called ETHICS but people in other states don't?

Do you realize how patently absurd and outright ridiculous such a claim is that you have made here?

Would it be better if the barriers to campaigning near polling sites were larger? Probably. Is it an ethical issue? That's up to each state. This is quite funny, I am respecting your stance, while disagreeing with it, you have a complete and total inability to respect mine. Maybe you should work on that.

 

[Absentglare]

Hillary campaigns at early voting location — in violation of NC law?

Salon :lamo You realize that's been going on in pulpits for a very long time. Abortion is and remains a sin to most churches, you are surprised when they speak out against it? Amongst other moral issues that churches address every Sunday?

I don't care if pastors speak out against abortion.

I do care when pastors name candidates while enjoying privileged tax exempt status that requires that they do not.

I do care when EITHER PARTY engages in voter suppression to electioneer their own success.

I do care when EITHER PARTY engages in gerrymandering.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Meanwhile:

REVEALED: Wisconsin clerk limits voting near campus because ‘students lean more toward the Democrats’

You know what I don't see covered in that story? Many, many out of state students that may not be registered in Wisconsin voting. Maybe there is more to the story but if its JUST because of that, I don't agree with what's being done.

So far two of have tried to change the subject to other voting matters, any chance you would like to stay on topic?

 

[OpportunityCost]

I don't care if pastors speak out against abortion.

I do care when pastors name candidates while enjoying privileged tax exempt status that requires that they do not.

I do care when EITHER PARTY engages in voter suppression to electioneer their own success.

I do care when EITHER PARTY engages in gerrymandering.

Do you care when either party engages in illegal voter registration? How about multiple state registrations?

Churches don't regularly engage in what you are alleging or they would be shut down or lose their exempt status, meaning local church officials would be removed and more ethical sermons would occur.

Both parties engage in Gerrymandering.

Care to address the topic?

 

[tres borrachos]

Candidates with ethics don't tend to campaign right outside a voting location during voting. But we all know how Hillary feels about ethics, they are something you ask whether it matters after you get caught.

Are you kidding? It happens all the time. You need to look up what happens on election day in New Hampshire every 4 years. The candidates visit anywhere from 5 to 10 different voting locations on primary day, including your "ethical" Donald Trump.

 

[Absentglare]

Do you care when either party engages in illegal voter registration? How about multiple state registrations?

Churches don't regularly engage in what you are alleging or they would be shut down or lose their exempt status, meaning local church officials would be removed and more ethical sermons would occur.

Both parties engage in Gerrymandering.

Care to address the topic?

Of course i care about those things.

And you cannot conclude that the church officials would be held accountable. I already cited a source that disproves your bizarre assumption that they would be prosecuted.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Of course i care about those things.

And you cannot conclude that the church officials would be held accountable. I already cited a source that disproves your bizarre assumption that they would be prosecuted.

Based on a Salon article. Sorry its not very convincing. Maybe WaPo.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Are you kidding? It happens all the time. You need to look up what happens on election day in New Hampshire every 4 years. The candidates visit anywhere from 5 to 10 different voting locations on primary day, including your "ethical" Donald Trump.

Oh look, the peanut gallery. I don't find the practice ethical, no matter who is doing it. You took your cheap shot, you can leave now.

 

[tres borrachos]

Oh look, the peanut gallery. I don't find the practice ethical, no matter who is doing it. You took your cheap shot, you can leave now.

Ah, well thank you for agreeing that Donald Trump is as unethical as Hillary Clinton. That must have been hard. Most of the rest of us already knew that about him.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Ah, well thank you for agreeing that Donald Trump is as unethical as Hillary Clinton. That must have been hard. Most of the rest of us already knew that about him.

You know what's hard for you? Being able to read what's on the page and interpret it honestly.

 

[haymarket]

Would it be better if the barriers to campaigning near polling sites were larger? Probably. Is it an ethical issue? That's up to each state. This is quite funny, I am respecting your stance, while disagreeing with it, you have a complete and total inability to respect mine. Maybe you should work on that.

Go back and look how you started this right off the bat. Then come back and preach about respect.

 

[Absentglare]

Based on a Salon article. Sorry its not very convincing. Maybe WaPo.

Just so be clear, you're claiming that pastors never endorse a candidate without prosecution ?

You're sticking with that ?

 

[OpportunityCost]

Go back and look how you started this right off the bat. Then come back and preach about respect.

I have had two posters make insinuations about my voting or not voting, one called me a child, and you insinuated I was a prostitute.

I didn't even go NEAR that line of disrespect. I wont be waiting for any of you to apologize, but you can bet I wont give any of you respect any time soon.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Just so be clear, you're claiming that pastors never endorse a candidate without prosecution ?

You're sticking with that ?

Just to be clear, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I will not believe it is the level of issue that Salon intimate that it is. Because they have engaged in a lot of yellow journalism about anything conservative. Hey, I've got an idea, why don't you post a thread on that so you can actually be on topic?

Does this straw man approach you have seem to work very often? Because its fairly transparent.

 

[Absentglare]

Just to be clear, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I will not believe it is the level of issue that Salon intimate that it is. Because they have engaged in a lot of yellow journalism about anything conservative. Hey, I've got an idea, why don't you post a thread on that so you can actually be on topic?

Does this straw man approach you have seem to work very often? Because its fairly transparent.

You're claiming that electioneering is a problem that is unique to democrats because Hillary was far outside the legal limit in one instance. I'm explaining that it's despicable when either side does it. Are you capable of acknowledging that ?