kaya'08
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It poses a national threat to Israel and other nations in the region. The fact that they are crazy and militant theocracies and monarchies exempts them from the privilege of having nuclear weapons and a nuclear program. Iran signed the NPT, Israel did not. Iran has violated the NPT and not co-operated in regards to the treaty. They are run by a theocratic regime that many times has criticized Israel and denies the Holocaust. Ahmedinejad has talked about some kind of Islamic apocalypse where Israel must be destroyed. This is how I see it in regards to Iran.
It poses a national threat to Israel and other nations in the region. The fact that they are crazy and militant theocracies and monarchies exempts them from the privilege of having nuclear weapons and a nuclear program. Iran signed the NPT, Israel did not. Iran has violated the NPT and not co-operated in regards to the treaty. They are run by a theocratic regime that many times has criticized Israel and denies the Holocaust. Ahmedinejad has talked about some kind of Islamic apocalypse where Israel must be destroyed. This is how I see it in regards to Iran.
1. Iran is a theocracy with warped and crazy beliefs.
2. Iran has made threats towards Israel and the leadership holds an apocalyptic worldview in the name of Islam.
3. Iran is not complying with the NPT.
4. Iran violates human rights, especially evident during the Iranian elections.
A nation like this should not have nuclear weapons, and by internationally bound treaty they are not supposed to have them. They agreed to this when they signed the NPT.
Now in regards to Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. The Lebanese government should have this man arrested and locked up and not give any heed to his words. Hezbollah desires to wipe out the Jews and praises Hitler for leaving them the task of whipping out Jews. They have made militant attacks against civilian Israel and are classified as a terrorist organization.
Digsbe nailed the living **** out of it.
Game, set, match.
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Oh, what argument will there be once they obtain it?
digsbe said:1. Israel is a theocracy with warped and crazy beliefs.
2. Israel has made threats towards its neighbors and the leadership holds an apocalyptic worldview.
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4. Israel violates human rights, especially evident during the Palestinian elections.
My position has been clear from the start; no hypocritical American BS. I want governments to pursue a nuclear free Iran with the promise of a nuclear free Israel and in turn, a completely nuclear free ME. If you don't like it, tough. If you prefer being a hypocrite, and somehow believe Israel is exempt from this responsibility, debate it here, so your views can be quickly and swiftly put down.
My point was to parallel Iran with Hezbollah, I did address why I believe they should not have nuclear weapons.digsbe was completely correct in his assesment and i applaud that. What he has failed to do is address my question, and it seems you have been unable to gather what that question was. Like disgbe, you have not properly read my posts. Please find the post where i said Iran should HAVE nuclear weapons? Thanks.
My position has been clear from the start; no hypocritical American BS. I want governments to pursue a nuclear free Iran with the promise of a nuclear free Israel and in turn, a completely nuclear free ME. If you don't like it, tough. If you prefer being a hypocrite, and somehow believe Israel is exempt from this responsibility, debate it here, so your views can be quickly and swiftly put down.
Wrong, Iran has violated the NPT.Fixed that for you.
"With great power comes great responsibility" -Spiderman movie. Nuclear power is good, but it's only a guise to enrich uranium and make nuclear weapons.Why? Nuclear power is a wonderful idea.
I want a nuclear free planet, but as long as we allow any nation to hide its nuclear weapons program, then that aint gonna happen. Not to mention the whole hypocrisy issue by demanding one nation follow "the rules" where as another is not put to the same standard.
My position has been clear from the start; no hypocritical American BS. I want governments to pursue a nuclear free Iran with the promise of a nuclear free Israel and in turn, a completely nuclear free ME. If you don't like it, tough. If you prefer being a hypocrite, and somehow believe Israel is exempt from this responsibility, debate it here, so your views can be quickly and swiftly put down.
My position has been clear from the start; no hypocritical American BS. I want governments to pursue a nuclear free Iran with the promise of a nuclear free Israel and in turn, a completely nuclear free ME. If you don't like it, tough. If you prefer being a hypocrite, and somehow believe Israel is exempt from this responsibility, debate it here, so your views can be quickly and swiftly put down.
To clarify from my previous post, I couldn't agree more with this. I think that Israel is a bully surrounded by a bunch of bullies -- Israel is absolutely no better than Palestine or Jordan or Syria or Egypt, and they should NOT be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. Israeli warmongering is grating on the nerves so much that even America is starting to edge away.
To clarify from my previous post, I couldn't agree more with this. I think that Israel is a bully surrounded by a bunch of bullies -- Israel is absolutely no better than Palestine or Jordan or Syria or Egypt, and they should NOT be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. Israeli warmongering is grating on the nerves so much that even America is starting to edge away.
How is Israel a bully? They aren't screaming and praying for an Arab genocide. Nor are they electing Jewish Zionists that propagate the deaths of Arabs to brings Jews to heaven. They also endorse a 2 state solution, not a single state solution like Hamas. Israel is more like the intelligent jewel amid a sea of barbaric nations. A bully doesn't offer free healthcare to the wounded who hate them, they also don't warn civilians of incoming military strikes. They also give equal rights to all people in their country regardless of race. They even allow people to elect anti-Israeli MKs. You can't compare Israel to her neighbors and call them both equally "bullies."
Wrong, Iran has violated the NPT.
"With great power comes great responsibility" -Spiderman movie. Nuclear power is good, but it's only a guise to enrich uranium and make nuclear weapons.
Le Marteau said:If you look at the world like a blank geopolitical map where every nation is every bit as worthy and meritous as the next, then yes, it'd be hypocritical to claim that some nations ought to possess nuclear weapons, while others ought NOT to, in a very decidedly forceful manner.
But that's not how the world works -- you have to look at the geopolitical map more realistically. Powerhouse nations like France or America or Russia have proven themselves "worthy" or "responsible" enough to deal effectively with nuclear stand-offs, nuclear weapon construction, nuclear power maintenance, etc., whereas nations like North Korea or Israel have NOT proven themselves to be trustworthy with such technology.
In essence, the Great Powers of today (France, Russia, Britain, America, China) DESERVE to have such powerful technology, and they deserve to be able to keep that technology in check within their own borders. So, I guess what I'm saying is, a nuclear-free planet is something not to be wished for, and the 'hypocrisy' you dislike about the current nuclear situation is one of the most important aspects that keep us from going back to the Stone Age.
naw, we should stop having a double standard for nations in the region. Then we could at least have an argument against them getting nukes.. for now, we have nothing but hot air.
We aren't having double standards, a nuclear armed Israel is to a nuclear armed Iran as a cop with a gun is to a mental patient with a gun.
How many wars has Iran been in in the past 30 years?
How many has Israel been in? How many times has Iran used chemical weapons against civilians?
How many times has Israel? How often has Israel's borders changed over the past couple of decades? How often have Iran's?
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Okay so you admit then that Israel is a much more unstable and dangerous place for nuclear weapons to be because of all of the conflict it is involved in. Thank you.
They have a much more stable government than the Iranian regime.
No they don't. I don't know how you could even argue that the Iranian government is unstable. They just survived the massive protests almost completely unscathed.
Ya violent crack down against peaceful protests is not a sign of a stable government.
A successful one is certainly a sign of a stable government. When a state is able to crush dissent to that extent it is a very stable government.
Besides, Israel does this as well.
Finally, this is a stupid argument. The fact is that Israel having nuclear weapons is much more dangerous than Iran, regardless of how much more marginally "unstable" the Iranian government is. Pakistan and India are much more unstable than Iran.
Face it. You got caught admitting that truth and now you are attempting to cover up your embarassing concession to attempt to reconcile it with your anti-Iranian beliefs.
They have a much more stable government than the Iranian regime.
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