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Here's the next blow to poor women: the GOP budget cuts to women's health

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What have low-wage working women done to the GOP that they deserve this kind of treatment?

Women’s Health:Eliminating funding for multiple programs that support diversity in the health care workforce, including the Health Careers Opportunity Program (HCOP), the Centers of Excellence (COE), and the Nursing Workforce Diversity (NWD).
Ending all funding for the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ).
Cutting nearly $800 million from government programs that fund maternal and child health and improve women’s health care, including the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA), the Maternal and Child Health Block Grant and the Office on Women’s Health. Close to 60 million women and children benefited from the Maternal and Child Health Block Grant through HRSA in FY21 – 92 percent of all pregnant women and 98 percent of all infants.
Drastically cutting key health equity programs such as the Office of Minority Health and the Minority HIV/AIDS Initiative.
Slashing funding for the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services by $798 million. Thirty-one million adult women receive Medicaid – the majority of adult beneficiaries. Women are also the majority of Medicare recipients.

Reproductive Rights: Restricting the federal government’s ability to cover and support abortion care by prohibiting:
Federal dollars from covering abortion care for those who receive health care or health insurance through the U.S. government.
The Department of Defense from implementing a rule that allows servicemembers to take leave to travel for abortion care.
The Department of Veterans Affairs from implementing a rule that allows the VA to provide abortions in cases of rape, incest, or when the life or health of a veteran is endangered. Over 400,000 women veterans live in states that have banned or are likely to ban abortion.
Abortion counseling in certain programs administered under HHS.
Eliminating funding for Title X Family Planning. In 2021 Title X served more than 1.6 million people.
Eliminating all federal funding for Planned Parenthood. In 2022, Planned Parenthood and its affiliates served 2.13 million patients.
Reinstating medically unnecessary restrictions on and undermining the FDA’s authority over mifepristone.
Reinstating and making permanent the Global Gag Rule.


This is not fair, reasonable, logical or rational budgeting.
 
Ending all funding for the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ).

All bad, obviously, but I really hate this one. So much lost for ~$0 savings.

 
Anyone who voted for Trump deserves it. Everyone else is a victim of great evil.

I can only hope people remember to keep their blinkered eyes open in the future, and maybe make sure they aren't blinkered.
 
What have low-wage working women done to the GOP that they deserve this kind of treatment?

Women’s Health:Eliminating funding for multiple programs that support diversity in the health care workforce, including the Health Careers Opportunity Program (HCOP), the Centers of Excellence (COE), and the Nursing Workforce Diversity (NWD).
Ending all funding for the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ).
Cutting nearly $800 million from government programs that fund maternal and child health and improve women’s health care, including the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA), the Maternal and Child Health Block Grant and the Office on Women’s Health. Close to 60 million women and children benefited from the Maternal and Child Health Block Grant through HRSA in FY21 – 92 percent of all pregnant women and 98 percent of all infants.
Drastically cutting key health equity programs such as the Office of Minority Health and the Minority HIV/AIDS Initiative.
Slashing funding for the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services by $798 million. Thirty-one million adult women receive Medicaid – the majority of adult beneficiaries. Women are also the majority of Medicare recipients.

Reproductive Rights: Restricting the federal government’s ability to cover and support abortion care by prohibiting:
Federal dollars from covering abortion care for those who receive health care or health insurance through the U.S. government.
The Department of Defense from implementing a rule that allows servicemembers to take leave to travel for abortion care.
The Department of Veterans Affairs from implementing a rule that allows the VA to provide abortions in cases of rape, incest, or when the life or health of a veteran is endangered. Over 400,000 women veterans live in states that have banned or are likely to ban abortion.
Abortion counseling in certain programs administered under HHS.
Eliminating funding for Title X Family Planning. In 2021 Title X served more than 1.6 million people.
Eliminating all federal funding for Planned Parenthood. In 2022, Planned Parenthood and its affiliates served 2.13 million patients.
Reinstating medically unnecessary restrictions on and undermining the FDA’s authority over mifepristone.
Reinstating and making permanent the Global Gag Rule.


This is not fair, reasonable, logical or rational budgeting.

Show us the enumerated Constitutional powers that makes those programs fall under federal goverment authority rather than state and local authority.
 
Show us the enumerated Constitutional powers that makes those programs fall under federal goverment authority rather than state and local authority.
The general welfare clause. Congress can fund whatever it feels is in the best interests of the country.

But don't you worry. This congress hates women, so you're feelings will I am sure recover.
 
Show us the enumerated Constitutional powers that makes those programs fall under federal goverment authority rather than state and local authority.
Oh, stuff it. The Constitution most certainly does allow Congress to create programs that "promote the general welfare" of the people and if your state were promoting such programs, you'd be bitching about your state. The fact is you think taking services away from low wage working women across the nation is a dandy idea. The Constitution doesn't enumerate building the Interstate, regulating the internet, developing vaccines but we do it. Being hateful to poor women is your own personal problem, to which you are entitled, courtesy of the Constitution. It isn't enumerated but there it is, you have a right to your own meanness and hatefulness.
 
Oh, stuff it. The Constitution most certainly does allow Congress to create programs that "promote the general welfare" of the people and if your state were promoting such programs, you'd be bitching about your state. The fact is you think taking services away from low wage working women across the nation is a dandy idea. The Constitution doesn't enumerate building the Interstate, regulating the internet, developing vaccines but we do it. Being hateful to poor women is your own personal problem, to which you are entitled, courtesy of the Constitution. It isn't enumerated but there it is, you have a right to your own meanness and hatefulness.

It's not hatefulness, it's being consistent with the concept of maximum individual freedom and minimum size and scope of government.

Restricting the federal government’s ability to cover and support abortion care by prohibiting:
Federal dollars from covering abortion care for those who receive health care or health insurance through the U.S. government.
The Department of Defense from implementing a rule that allows servicemembers to take leave to travel for abortion care.

Is using federal taxpayer money to fund abortion care consistent with the Constitutional authority? How would you reconcile that with the 10th Amendment?
 
It's not hatefulness, it's being consistent with the concept of maximum individual freedom and minimum size and scope of government.

Restricting the federal government’s ability to cover and support abortion care by prohibiting:
Federal dollars from covering abortion care for those who receive health care or health insurance through the U.S. government.
The Department of Defense from implementing a rule that allows servicemembers to take leave to travel for abortion care.

Is using federal taxpayer money to fund abortion care consistent with the Constitutional authority? How would you reconcile that with the 10th Amendment?

OK but then federal $ shouldnt be used to fund any medical treatment or health programs, insurance, etc, right? I could get onboard this, except for communicable diseases.
 
It's not hatefulness, it's being consistent with the concept of maximum individual freedom and minimum size and scope of government.
Being consistent is the absolute last thing the Republicans are concerned about. Do you want examples?
Restricting the federal government’s ability to cover and support abortion care by prohibiting:
Federal dollars from covering abortion care for those who receive health care or health insurance through the U.S. government.
The Department of Defense from implementing a rule that allows servicemembers to take leave to travel for abortion care.

Is using federal taxpayer money to fund abortion care consistent with the Constitutional authority? How would you reconcile that with the 10th Amendment?
The federal government does not cover or support abortion so quit whining about it. The one exception is the Medicaid exception for rape, incest and health of the mother. Denying a poor woman an abortion for a pregnancy caused by her uncle r or because she will die of eclampsia is just ugly meanness. It blames the woman for the rape and for the medical situation. And the federal government clearly has an interest in the general health and welfare of all women and men. I didn't hear too much whining when the federal government told insurance companies to fund the health care cost of impotence and the little blue pills.
 
The general welfare clause. Congress can fund whatever it feels is in the best interests of the country.

But don't you worry. This congress hates women, so you're feelings will I am sure recover.

Are you a biologist?
 
It is horrible, but that's what happens when the country starts to become an Oligarchy. "Poor people? Not on my watch."

Actually, the best way to maintain an oligarchy is to have tons of desperate poor people who will do what they are told by their overlords lest they risk starvation or repression.
 
Sorry, since you answered honestly I'm inclined to leave it there.
Okay.

However, I noticed that I used "you're" instead of "your" and I cringed so hard I yanked my jeans right up my ass.
 
There's LOTS of poor MAGA women.
 
OK but then federal $ shouldnt be used to fund any medical treatment or health programs, insurance, etc, right? I could get onboard this, except for communicable diseases.

We've grown so accustomed to having the government neck deep in health care programs that we have forgotten that health care could be managed and funded - probably more efficiently - by free market programs.
 
We've grown so accustomed to having the government neck deep in health care programs that we have forgotten that health care could be managed and funded - probably more efficiently - by free market programs.
There's something to be said for that -- IF we have the right to cook up our own pharmaceuticals in our basements, and order whatever we think will help us at the pharmacy, and buy genuinely useful medical assistance on a free unregulated market rather than just the usual quack treatments the government tolerates like hyperbaric oxygen, acupuncture and homeopathy. But we have a system meant to make everything a tremendously expensive monopoly, and then we have the "right" to be charged whatever the monopoly-holder wants, when we are hostages at his mercy, and all this without any social union of consumers to counter-bargain? That's a suicide pact, not a democracy.
 
We've grown so accustomed to having the government neck deep in health care programs that we have forgotten that health care could be managed and funded - probably more efficiently - by free market programs.

Isnt that what we've always had before Obamacare and still have access to?
 
We've grown so accustomed to having the government neck deep in health care programs that we have forgotten that health care could be managed and funded - probably more efficiently - by free market programs.
This is an article of faith.
 
We've grown so accustomed to having the government neck deep in health care programs that we have forgotten that health care could be managed and funded - probably more efficiently - by free market programs.
Absurdly and objectively wrong.
 
We've grown so accustomed to having the government neck deep in health care programs that we have forgotten that health care could be managed and funded - probably more efficiently - by free market programs.

There never was a free market in medical services. It is not just a random coincidence that medical costs in the US are too high for a huge chunk of the population. Since 1880 the AMA has been working overtime to limit the number of medical schools, limit the number of doctors and raise the cost of their services. The AMA never in all their history considered serving everyone equally. Starting with passing a law that midwives were no longer allowed to deliver babies because they were ignorant, unprofessional, uneducated, and dirty and denying women admittance to medical school. Learn some history

Do you really believe we have Medicaid and Obamacare because the medical profession was falling all over itself to serve the low income population or because insurance corporations were eagerly reducing rates so low income citizens could buy policies?
 
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