Here's how it happens

[Phil_Osophy]

This is why I feel there should be some kind of control on the level of guns available to the public.

And most stabbings were committed with legally obtained knives. Most assaults with vehicles were committed with legally obtained cars. All restriction does is make it more difficult for innocent law abiding people to acquire arms and protect themselves.

 

[TurtleDude]

Thats not a law. Its an opinion/idea. I say nobody should ever commit a felony in the first place.



No. Actually its easier to lay down and die or just bow down to tyrants. It takes a lot to fight back.

the thing that scares anti gunners the most is that if they fail and die, they have no one to blame for their failure

 

[Phil_Osophy]

What the hell!?! What am I supposed to be preparing for exactly? I don't fear I will be invaded by some tyrannical force, but I do have the means to defend my family.

Its up to you what you prepare for. Thats not my decision to make.

 

[TurtleDude]

This is why I feel there should be some kind of control on the level of guns available to the public.

what is a mass shooting-its normally a shooting in an area where no one else has a gun

mass shootings don't usually happen around armed people because the shooter is killed before he can kill enough victims for it to be labeled Mass murder

75-80% of all murderers using firearms cannot legally own them. as is the case with similar percentages of victims of firearm murders

do you think making guns illegal will deter mass murderers or merely change the proportions in that graph of yours?

 

[Sammy]

There isn't much I have faith in with current world systems. But I wont prepare for battle, because I do have faith in the soldiers of the US military.

 

[TurtleDude]

There isn't much I have faith in with current world systems. But I wont prepare for battle, because I do have faith in the soldiers of the US military.

so the military is going to help you during a home invasion robbery?

 

[Phil_Osophy]

many anti gunners are more worried about using a weapon incompetently than being attacked by criminals

indeed, many anti gunners are more afraid of the RESPONSIBILITY of making their own safety an INDIVIDUAL DUTY than criminals so they outsource their self defense to the government.

And my 1911 still responds faster than the police.

Guns: stopping bad guys before police since..... forever.

 

[Sammy]

what is a mass shooting-its normally a shooting in an area where no one else has a gun

mass shootings don't usually happen around armed people because the shooter is killed before he can kill enough victims for it to be labeled Mass murder

75-80% of all murderers using firearms cannot legally own them. as is the case with similar percentages of victims of firearm murders

do you think making guns illegal will deter mass murderers or merely change the proportions in that graph of yours?

How do you people keep putting words in my mouth? I never said we should ban guns. I said they should have restrictions on what the public has available. As it would ATLEAST minimize the damage that can be done.

 

[Phil_Osophy]

There isn't much I have faith in with current world systems. But I wont prepare for battle, because I do have faith in the soldiers of the US military.

The us military can always become the enemy. Not that they are right now.... but the people of germany sang the same tune... until........ well, you know.

If it has happened before, it can and will happen again. This could turn into the next nazi germany. We already have checkpoints and liberal ****hole police states like ny.

 

[Sammy]

so the military is going to help you during a home invasion robbery?

When have I said I don't own a gun?

I don't fear I will be invaded by some tyrannical force, but I do have the means to defend my family.

 

[Phil_Osophy]

How do you people keep putting words in my mouth? I never said we should ban guns. I said they should have restrictions on what the public has available. As it would ATLEAST minimize the damage that can be done.

Then to be consistent you would have to limit them from police and military too. After all, they are people, and mass shootings have been committed by cops and soldiers before. Plus, what about equal protection? If i cant have an m16, then nobody can.

 

[TurtleDude]

How do you people keep putting words in my mouth? I never said we should ban guns. I said they should have restrictions on what the public has available. As it would ATLEAST minimize the damage that can be done.

so tell us how do you do that

you complain about most mass murderers having obtained guns legally

so your only possible solution would be a ban since those people passed background checks apparently or would have (if they couldn't pass a background check they couldn't own the gun legally)

how do you minimize the damage that can be done (this is going to be funny)

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

I wasn't arguing that handguns weren't semi auto. However an assault rifle can carry more ammo before needing to reload. Any assault rifle to me should only be used for militant use, as its a means of offense as much as defense. You should not be needing a offensive stance from your house. The rate of fire and ammo capacity is why sandy hook and other school shootings were so bad, these things should not be publicly accessed.

Im fearful because I DONT feel I need to arm my house for an offense? I think I would be stockpiling weapons if I was afraid.

That's not what you stated in the thread I replied to. You stated you, referring to others, should not need to arm themselves with an assault rifle; now you state you're referring just to yourself. Backpedaling I see...

And yes, it is clear you are fearful.

 

[TurtleDude]

When have I said I don't own a gun?

did you ever answer my question as to which firearm can be shot "faster"?

 

[Sammy]

The us military can always become the enemy. Not that they are right now.... but the people of germany sang the same tune... until........ well, you know.

If it has happened before, it can and will happen again. This could turn into the next nazi germany. We already have checkpoints and liberal ****hole police states like ny.

I would hope our personal knowledge had grown beyond these behaviors. But yes your right, even marshal order is a card in their deck.

 

[Sammy]

did you ever answer my question as to which firearm can be shot "faster"?

No Im sorry I sidestepped it, to change my tune to "restrictions" now to include ammo capacity and rates of fire on any firearm. Im aware these will always be owned regardless, just no longer publicly sold. Anyone needing that kind of fire power is asking for trouble anyway.

 

[TurtleDude]

No Im sorry I sidestepped it, to change my tune to "restrictions" now to include ammo capacity and rates of fire on any firearm. Im aware these will always be owned regardless, just no longer publicly sold. Anyone needing that kind of fire power is asking for trouble anyway.

what shoots at a faster rate

a semi auto rifle or a smith and wesson revolver

before you answer-watch this

 

[Sammy]

That's not what you stated in the thread I replied to. You stated you, referring to others, should not need to arm themselves with an assault rifle; now you state you're referring just to yourself. Backpedaling I see...

And yes, it is clear you are fearful.

I have been trying to figure out what you mean by back peddling. Specifics please?

Again, why is only having enough to defend my family from intruders being fearful? I am not expecting some armada showing up anytime soon.

 

[TurtleDude]

oh lets see-limit magazines

ever heard of reloads

 

[Sammy]

what shoots at a faster rate

a semi auto rifle or a smith and wesson revolver

before you answer-watch this

Your point was well taken when first mentioned. I had a good enough idea, even to include a much better chance of concealment. Adding to my change of direction in restrictions.

 

[Sammy]

oh lets see-limit magazines

ever heard of reloads

If that split second is enough for you to get out of line of sight during a massacre, would you not be thankful? Im thankful most weren't this talented.

 

[TurtleDude]

I have been trying to figure out what you mean by back peddling. Specifics please?

Again, why is only having enough to defend my family from intruders being fearful? I am not expecting some armada showing up anytime soon.

so you want to limit how many rounds you have available in your weapon not knowing how many assailants you might have to deal with

listen-criminals cannot own any guns. its just as illegal for them to try to rob you with a single shot 22 rifle as it is for them to have a 33 round Glock semi auto. Since they aren't deterred by such laws (if they were, they wouldn't be ROBBERS) why should you be limited to what you can defend with>

 

[TurtleDude]

If that split second is enough for you to get out of line of sight during a massacre, would you not be thankful?

you just don't get it do you

people who want to massacre others are not deterred by the threat of a life sentence or a death penalty

so why would they be deterred by a gun ban

the only people affected by gun bans are people who don't murder or rob

you want to pass laws that only limit good people

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

This is why I feel there should be some kind of control on the level of guns available to the public.

So you think there isn't? Maybe you should do some research. How many gun laws is enough for the anti-gun crowd? Guess what the next gun laws lead to since there are so many already? Go ahead, its not that hard...

Firearm related matters that are often regulated by state or local laws include the following:

Some states and localities require that a person obtain a license or permit in order to purchase or possess firearms.
Some states and localities require that individual firearms be registered with the police or with another law enforcement agency.
All states allow some form of concealed carry, the carrying of a concealed firearm in public.
Many states allow some form of open carry, the carrying of an unconcealed firearm in public on one's person or in a vehicle.
Some states have state preemption for many or all gun laws, which means that only the state can legally regulate firearms. In other states, local governments can pass their own gun laws more restrictive than those of the state.
Some states and localities place additional restrictions on certain semi-automatic firearms that they have defined as "assault weapons", or on magazines that can hold more than a certain number of rounds of ammunition.
NFA weapons are weapons that are heavily restricted at a federal level by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. These include automatic firearms (such as machine guns), short-barreled shotguns, and short-barreled rifles. Some states and localities place additional restrictions on such weapons.
Some states have enacted castle doctrine or "stand your ground" laws, which provide a legal basis for individuals to use deadly force in self-defense in certain situations, without a duty to flee or retreat if possible.
In some states, peaceable journey laws give additional leeway for the possession of firearms by travelers who are passing through to another destination.

Gun laws in the United States by state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sammy]

so you want to limit how many rounds you have available in your weapon not knowing how many assailants you might have to deal with

listen-criminals cannot own any guns. its just as illegal for them to try to rob you with a single shot 22 rifle as it is for them to have a 33 round Glock semi auto. Since they aren't deterred by such laws (if they were, they wouldn't be ROBBERS) why should you be limited to what you can defend with>

As I said many wont. As they will fear this mass invasion will happen. I live well enough to try to stay happy, I keep nothing to warrant an armada to collect it.