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Here's a map of what Russia has gained over the last YEAR at the cost of 1,500 Russians PER DAY

justoneman said:
If the expert is simply getting numbers from either the Ukrainans or he Russians, it will be fake numbers. The credentials of the individual regurgitating the propaganda means nothing.
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What source(s) are you willing to accept?
 
justoneman said:
Lying? Really?
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Yeah, you have repeatedly dismissed any source you don't like or agree with over the past three years regardless of whether it was from a Ukrainian source or not, so trying to frame your disagreement as wholly because it's from a Ukrainian source is disingenuous.

There have been plenty of reports about Russian failures and shortcomings that didn't come from Ukraine that you dismissed all the same, because, again, you're criteria for dismissal is if it says something you don't like.

Case in point, you dismissed a report from the Economist stating Russia was only producing 200 barrels for artilley a year, necessitating scavenging from stored artillery pieces and foreign supplies. The info didn't come from Ukraine, but that didn't matter.
 
justoneman said:
Ukraine is constantly saying ridiculous Russian casualty figures. You guys should be embarrassed to repeat them.
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So you don't watch all the videos showing 100's of Russians being killed in meat wave attacks?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Both Russian and NATO sources are reporting it, so I'm guessing the Ukrainians are too.



I dont believe 1,500 Russian troops are being killed each day.



No?

Russia mobilized 300,000 men in 2022 alone, and their troops numbers in Ukraine reached 500,000 earlier this year.
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So you don't watch the videos of meat wave attacks either? Putin is mobilizing 30,000 more men every month just to keep up with losses.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Some shitty youtuber who's talking points can be stolen, apparently.
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Yeah. Very familiar with that approach. Any yahoo with a video-cam and editing software simply must have his super-secret military sources.

YouTube as a source is just sooooo lame.
 
iguanaman said:
So you don't watch the videos of meat wave attacks either? Putin is mobilizing 30,000 more men every month just to keep up with losses.
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Yeah, I've seen them. The problem with casualty rates is, on average, they're overestimated by a factor of three and are prone to wild variation based on circumstances like variation among CASEVAC resources in different units, troop density, and the natural ebb and flow of combat.

Russian losses are certainly high, but we're not going to get the final rates for a while. That doesn't mean justonemans rote denialism is sound, even though he'll interprete it as such.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Nobody cares if you won't believe anything that casts your heroes in a negative light.

It is what it is.
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It is not what it is. There are not 1500 Russian casualties a day simply because Ukraine say there are. Surrely you are not that gulible.
 
justoneman said:
It is not what it is. There are not 1500 Russian casualties a day simply because Ukraine say there are. Surrely you are not that gulible.
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See? Here is me not caring what you feel you have to believe, or the erroneous idea of where the casualty reports come from.

It doesn't actually matter. You have declared for Putin, so I consider you the enemy. What you say does not matter to me, much less what you have chose to believe.
 
Hamish Howl said:
See? Here is me not caring what you feel you have to believe, or the erroneous idea of where the casualty reports come from.

It doesn't actually matter. You have declared for Putin, so I consider you the enemy. What you say does not matter to me, much less what you have chose to believe.
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I do not consider anybody my enemy.
 
justoneman said:
None. I do not accept any of them. There are only two sources, Russia or Ukraine.
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How about your own eyes? Do you watch the videos of Ukraine decimating columns of Russian troops and armor?
 
justoneman said:
You think other countries are on the field making casualty records? Of course not.
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A common pattern with you is you believe that if you don't understand something, no one else can.

Estimates of casualties can be gleamed from a number of sources. One of the most basic that I would imagine even someone like you would understand is communication interception, i.e listening in on what the otherside is saying through spies, SIGINT, or other methods. The US has a long history of intercepting and deciphering Russian communications so it's not like this is an unheard of capability; it's part of the reason why the US was able to predict not only the Russian invasion but its invasion corridors.

There are plenty of other ways such as by measuring supply lines and their scale/scope, recording ancillary information that is impacted by casualties but not directly correlated (like funeral rates and services) which are more readily available on the civilian side.

In short there are numerous ways casualties can be estimated even without direct participation on the battelfield, and with an intelligence apparatus as comprehensive as the US it's foolish to think the US would have no means of determinating casualties. There is of course an element of estimation, which is why US casualty estimates of both Ukraine and Russia had variances of tens of thousands, but it's suffice to say you're dismissal is foolish and based on a lack of knowledge of these measures and systems rather than any actual understanding of them.

justoneman said:
Haha! Propaganda videos?
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This logic is bizarre because you've never once proved any video of this war was fake.
 
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