They do nto have to show his arm being trapped.Not a single one of those pictures show...
#1 His arm being trapped
JFC! Wrong as usual.Not a single one of those pictures show...
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#2 Any threat to his life or limb.
Absurd deflection from being proven wrong.A giant post filled with blurry pics and nothing else. The funniest part is that car picking up sped in one second, that is laughable.
I am done with your nonsense. It's really sad when someones post is worth so little.
Yes. All cops appear to be afraid of young black men. They seem to put them in such fear for their lives they must shoot them. Mostly white jury's seem to agree.
They do nto have to show his arm being trapped.
1. That is his testimony.
2. Another Officer saw him being dragged.
3. It is a given by the fact that he was indeed dragged. AS prove3n by the images.
JFC! Wrong as usual.
Getting dragged by a motor vehicle is a life threatening situation.
Absurd deflection from being proven wrong.
Figures.
Why on earth would that be the case? And I didnt read about the jury in the Ohia trial. In Milwaukee the jury had 4 black men and women on it, all voting for acquittal.Yes. All cops appear to be afraid of young black men. They seem to put them in such fear for their lives they must shoot them. Mostly white jury's seem to agree.
Ready for a harsh truth?
If young black men want to change their image, they have to start with themselves. But they choose not to. They choose how they dress, they choose how they talk, they choose who to idolize.
Stereotypes become such for a reason.
Now, cue all the folks that are going to call me racist.
Why on earth would that be the case? And I didnt read about the jury in the Ohia trial. In Milwaukee the jury had 4 black men and women on it, all voting for acquittal.
In this case, Excon presented some pretty good photgraphic evidence clearly showing the cop was being dragged by the individual in the car. Would you say that evidence is accurate and relevant? Or is just another black man being shot?
Across the country MILLIONS of people end getting pulled over every year, many of them black...and yet they dont all end up dead. Why is that? Similarly...if you read the ongoing Washington Post site covering every fatal police shooting in the country you will find similar numbers of white people killed by cops. You will also find in MOST of those cases, there are things in common.
Wrong as usual.The video shows he was not dragged.
:lamoThe car was not a race car and can not gain speed that quickly. Even the still photos show him on the door for 1 sec.
Your reply is astoundingly stupid as the vehicle in fact moved him from one point to another as he faced reward. That is called being dragged and is a life threatening situation.He was not dragged and the video bares this out.
:lamoThe only thing absurd here is you thinking this was a justified shooting.
Well that is a racist statement. You are saying for black men to be treated with the same as whites they must change the way they dress, talk and who they choose to idolize. You know I grew up in the 60's and 70's I remember the parents of the hippies saying the same thing. Of course they were white so no big deal right?
#1 I was being sarcastic.
#2 His evidence is crap. Look at the time stamp. The car moved for 1 sec before the officer fell away. That is not dragging. Besides the black man was already dead at that point. He was shot before the car moved even a foot.
#3 In a country of 300,000,000 people I would assume that most people who get pulled over are not shot.
#4 No unarmed person should be executed by police, period. "I was afraid" is not a good enough excuse.
Wrong as usual.
The video shows he was dragged.
He said he was dragged and another Officer said he was dragged.
You have nothing but a made up belief.
:lamo
Irrelevant. He was dragged as he said he was. He responded immediately to his being dragged.
His use of force was not just reasonable and justified.
Your reply is astoundingly stupid as the vehicle in fact moved him from one point to another as he faced reward. That is called being dragged and is a life threatening situation.
:lamo
Wrong as usual.
Sarcasm over...what exactly?#1 I was being sarcastic.
#2 His evidence is crap. Look at the time stamp. The car moved for 1 sec before the officer fell away. That is not dragging. Besides the black man was already dead at that point. He was shot before the car moved even a foot.
#3 In a country of 300,000,000 people I would assume that most people who get pulled over are not shot.
#4 No unarmed person should be executed by police, period. "I was afraid" is not a good enough excuse.
Wrong.He was not dragged. He shot the guy at 1:54 and was off the car at what? 1:56? So he was in the window for 1 sec and shot the guy. So he was dead before any dragging would have taken place either way. That is unless you want to argue against physics?
Do you know where the sagging pants fad came from?
Prison.
Do you know where most of the vocabulary and speech patterns evolved?
Prison.
How idols? Musicians? Fictional characters? Let's see, notorious and tupac, both dead. 50 cent, criminal. Self described. TI? Snoop? Favorite movies? Scar Face, Bellie, etc. All about violent, criminal activities.
Tell you what....look on any given young black males Facebook page, and you tell me, what's the image trying to be projected?
I mentioned it was a black vs blue thing and not necessarily racist. In fact I don't think it is racism, it the stigma of black criminality and stereo types that puts officers no matter what color on edge.
Excellent post
I was being dragged by a car is.
It applies to whites too. They maybe don't get shot as often per capita, but when they do, it's almost impossible to get a conviction against the cop.
Not only are very few cops convicted for murder when shooting someone in the line of duty, but judging by the link below, even those few who are convicted rarely serve prison time. Most receive probation or, at most, very short prison terms.
10 Cops Who Were Convicted For Killing In The Line Of Duty - Listverse
Sarcasm over...what exactly?
I dont know...that evidence sure does look like he got dragged in a matter of seconds a fairly significant distance.
Yes...I agree. Unarmed people should not be executed by the cops. I agree...being afraid is not a justifiable reason for discharging a weapon. I have said that I believe the jury got the Castile verdict wrong. This one...I dont know. But we can agree it happens. We can all agree it shouldnt. It would be nice if the climate changed where cops didnt have to fear anyone.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/
Look...the facts are what they are. Do a little research and you find that in THE VAST MAJORITY of these officer involved shootings, white, black green...whatever...the circumstances are pretty much the same. Want less officer involved shootings. 1-Cops...stop arresting black people. Just stop. I suspect there might be a lot more...a LOT more dead black people than there already are (and there are already a LOT of dead black people) but you know what? If it stops 3-5 cops a year from killing black people...so be it. or...2-Black people...white people...green people...stop fighting. Stop resisting arrest. Stop running. Get caught in your car weith a pound of dope...you know what? Thems the breaks. **** it. You rolled the dice...you got caught.
Only thing we can say for certain....there are a ****ing **** ton of dead black people in this country every year. It would be nice if that stopped.
Wrong.
The video and the images prove you wrong.
He was dragged. He responded immediately to it. It matters not how far he was dragged. What matters is that he was and reasonably responded to it.
This is why you have a split jury. Do you really not understand that?
Wrong as usual. It is exactly what is shown.No they don't. you don't want to admit what the time stamps show. The man was dead 1 sec after the car started moving. So there could have been no dragging to cause any fear.
Wrong as usual. It is exactly what is shown.
He was dragged. Period.
He knew immediately his arm was caught and was being dragged. That is a life threatening condition no matter what absurdity you want to think.
Your nonsense about the time stamps is just that, nonsense.
We can see in the video, that the is shot comes after he was dragged a distance from his squad car.
He reasonably reacted to that situation.
Yes there is no real connection, but it makes the post legal in this forum. So in this case you are correct. Notice how it is not the actual subject of the debate?
OK I already said all this? Fact is it is a problem for blacks more so than most others at a rate of 3 times.
From the moment we started arguing this I pointed out that some members of the jury saw his actions as reasonable. Pointing out the opposite of that is irrelevant as it is admitted in the premise of what I argued.Yea that's why half the jury wanted to convict for murder.
So no. He was not dragged any distance the car was not moving fast enough to drag anything.
I won't argue that because it is true. It is also true that police officer's nervousness about dealing with black males (esp 16-35yo) is not without some basis in fact, given relatively high rates of crime and violent crime in that demographic. Now we could discuss the roots and causes of that set of statistics and whether the arrest rates partially reflect some kind of judicial bias, but there's still hard to argue against BM16-35 as a higher-risk group than most others.
Now, having said that, this fact does not justify overreaction or murder-under-color-of-law.
Perception is an issue. Even if you are white, if you "look threatening" the cop will be more on edge than otherwise.
I run into this. As a former LEO and long-time martial artist and CCW'er, there is apparently something about me that sets off their radar and makes them wary of me. I am therefore very careful to do nothing questionable, to be unfailingly polite and cooperative, and very cautious about how I move until they settle down. Interestingly enough when they see my CCW permit they usually do chill a bit.... since having it says "no felony convictions and clean record".
While no doubt the problem is most acute for young black males, I still think it is an issue everyone needs to be concerned about and one that we should address as a whole, as a society, and not simply as a racial issue.
Yeah, I know... but why open up the topic in a gun forum? That cop and the one that killed that other man in his car with the girlfriend and got away with it, freaked out because everybody has guns and are shooting each other...
So maybe taking it easy with guns and paying more attention to who has them and why is the thing to do for now.
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