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Here come the vaccine passports

Mach said:
You entirely miss the entire ****ing point. The precedent for it is established for *good reasons*. You're all out of good reasons.
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Yea, I know. The reason is: "Because I say so."
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That is exactly the comparison you made. Man up and own it. You literally quoted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... at the end of your post. Seriously, you made the comparison. You obviously believe that a vaccination requirement is totally comparable to the Jewish experience in Nazi Germany, so man up and own it.
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What does 'First They Same...' say to you? Exclusively that Holocaust?
More applicable to the present situation when government over steps it proper bounds and starts segmenting the population for 'special treatment', which is the comparison that I was drawing.
 
Overitall said:
You have the right to get vaccinated; wear a mask; and avoid people and locations that you feel jeopardize your health. You do not have a right to force me to follow your choice just to make you feel safe. You may not know this but like the flu, covid is with us for a very long time. How would you prevent someone from outside the country entering that is infected with a dangerous variant and spreading it throughout? Even with proof of vaccination that person can still be infected. Live your life and let me live mine.
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I have people in my life that can't be vaccinated, and others that fall into the high risk even though they are vaccinated. What are you afraid of? I have a scar on my arm from a smallpox vaccine. Americans under 50 don't. Why not? Because vaccines work. While the flu and covid are both viruses they are not the same. When was the last time the flu killed 600,000 Americans in a year? If someone from that is infected joins a vaccinated community someone might get sick, but the 'herd of the immune' protects the community from outbreaks. I'll be living my life while you'll be wishing you could take a flight or attend a concert. Maybe your boss will make you choose between vaccination and your job. Just get the shot.

What are you afraid of?
 
mrjurrs said:
I have people in my life that can't be vaccinated, and others that fall into the high risk even though they are vaccinated. What are you afraid of? I have a scar on my arm from a smallpox vaccine. Americans under 50 don't. Why not? Because vaccines work. While the flu and covid are both viruses they are not the same. When was the last time the flu killed 600,000 Americans in a year? If someone from that is infected joins a vaccinated community someone might get sick, but the 'herd of the immune' protects the community from outbreaks. I'll be living my life while you'll be wishing you could take a flight or attend a concert. Maybe your boss will make you choose between vaccination and your job. Just get the shot.

What are you afraid of?
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I'm not sure how many times I'm going to have to repeat this.

I am fully vaccinated. I wear a mask even in places where it's not required. I try my best to socially distance. I practice personal hygiene.

Just today my cousin from out of state called me to let me know he was in town. The first thing I asked him was: "Are you fully vaccinated?"

This is called personal responsibility. It works fine for me. The next time someone tells me what you have I'll just do a c&p of this post.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
My brother and his girlfriend go down to Florida every summer for a week with 2 other families. My brother is an electrician working on a job in hospital, so he was vaccinated in January. His girlfriend is a nurse and she was vaccinated early on as well. The other 2 families were not vaccinated. Everyone of them in the other 2 families became sick from COVID, 2 of them were hospitalized, one of them is still in a critical care unit on a ventilator now weeks later. If she survives, she will almost certainly have significant heart and lung damage for the rest of her life. She is just 52 years old, was in good health, and has teenage kids still in the home.

What makes it even worse is that it was entirely preventable. Had they all been vaccinated, she would be home with her family today.
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It was her choice to accept a thankfully small risk.
 
Mach said:
So you lost the back and forth and now are strawmanning like a champ. Why do you even post if you can't debate?
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Have a good day.
 
beefheart said:
I just got an email today from the venue where we are attending a comedy show next week. You can't come to the show unless you show proof of vaccination.

I am 100% for that!
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So am I. We were both fully vaccinated many months ago, immediately made two sided copies of our vaccination cards to carry in our wallets for proof if requested. The cards are kept at home. If we travel out of the country and need a more formal passport, we will gladly do what is needed. Have fun at the comedy show, I know I'd rather be there with responsible adults than a mob of ignorant covidiots, that's for sure!
 
Old 'N Chill said:
So am I. We were both fully vaccinated many months ago, immediately made two sided copies of our vaccination cards to carry in our wallets for proof if requested. The cards are kept at home. If we travel out of the country and need a more formal passport, we will gladly do what is needed. Have fun at the comedy show, I know I'd rather be there with responsible adults than a mob of ignorant covidiots, that's for sure!
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Yeah, its Marc Maron, pretty pumped to see him. Last month we saw Tom Papa.
 
Overitall said:
Yea, I know. The reason is: "Because I say so."
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GhostlyJoe said:
The government is directing it, a la New York City. This is actual fascism.
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Neither of you seem to really understand your own position on this.
You claim to believe everyone living in this society should accept your decree that government cannot direct its members to do something.

This is claiming we should do what YOU say, because YOU SAID SO. You're doing exactly what you act like you're opposing. Do you not understand this? Read it until you do perhaps? Ask questions?

WHY you believe that, then becomes important. I mean, every society, organization, employer, and basically every society on earth, has rules its members have to follow...both mandatory rules, and incentivized "nice to have" behaviors. You are coming in with this alien notion that in the biggest most important society we are likely all a part of, our national society, that we should...based on your personal decree....not have mandates/incentives in the national society we live in. That despite having it all over in everything we do in every organization, institution, club, business, household......this is the magical place it's forbidden!! (*Because you say so). Which of course, is absurd on its face.

That's why you get nowhere in this faux debate of simply stating your opinion, then grabbing your ball and going home when someone points it out to you that it makes no sense.
 
eohrnberger said:
What does 'First They Same...' say to you? Exclusively that Holocaust?
More applicable to the present situation when government over steps it proper bounds and starts segmenting the population for 'special treatment', which is the comparison that I was drawing.
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1. You started with the whole 'mine paperz'.

2. You finished with a poem about the Holocaust, a poem by the way that is quoted on the Holocaust Memorial.

You could not have been more clear in your comparison, so man up and own it or admit that it was a shameful comparison.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
1. You started with the whole 'mine paperz'.
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If you must produce proof of vaccination, isn't that exactly like 'mine paperz'?
SouthernDemocrat said:
2. You finished with a poem about the Holocaust, a poem by the way that is quoted on the Holocaust Memorial.
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First it's proof of COVID vaccination. What's next? Political party affiliation?
SouthernDemocrat said:
You could not have been more clear in your comparison, so man up and own it or admit that it was a shameful comparison.
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Fair enough.
What would be a better comparison for an government over bearing, social credit type, ideological driven and freedom of choice and liberty denying movement?
I'm open for suggestions.
 
Artymoon said:
This seems to have been on the horizon and I imagine more businesses in certain areas will probably enact something like this. I wonder how they plan to handle vaccinated people who can also spread the virus?
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Personally I'm much more concerned with those who have not been vaccinate.
 
Mach said:
Neither of you seem to really understand your own position on this.
You claim to believe everyone living in this society should accept your decree that government cannot direct its members to do something.

This is claiming we should do what YOU say, because YOU SAID SO. You're doing exactly what you act like you're opposing. Do you not understand this? Read it until you do perhaps? Ask questions?

WHY you believe that, then becomes important. I mean, every society, organization, employer, and basically every society on earth, has rules its members have to follow...both mandatory rules, and incentivized "nice to have" behaviors. You are coming in with this alien notion that in the biggest most important society we are likely all a part of, our national society, that we should...based on your personal decree....not have mandates/incentives in the national society we live in. That despite having it all over in everything we do in every organization, institution, club, business, household......this is the magical place it's forbidden!! (*Because you say so). Which of course, is absurd on its face.

That's why you get nowhere in this faux debate of simply stating your opinion, then grabbing your ball and going home when someone points it out to you that it makes no sense.
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I'm gonna try one more time with you.

What part of "We the People of the United States, . . . ." are you having trouble with? Everyone has a voice in our governance. Telling people to shut up and follow orders is a dangerous path to walk down.
 
Greenbeard said:
Yes, please. The pre-emptive move to rule out this concept earlier this year was misguided.

Here come the vaccine passports
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Yup. But this is just a new way for racist liberals to keep blacks out of the places they think they dont belong. Only 32% of blacks in NYC are fully vaccinated so the other 68% wont be able to go, well, anywhere. The idea that the target is republicans is just another liberal lie meant to hide their true racist intentions.
 
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