Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

[Lursa]

Desperate does not mean overwhelmed. That is your bogeyman to justify social distancing.

??? Those are article titles....you didnt even read them. They explain the shortages and the impacts.

How about addressing the ones that DO say 'overwhelmed?' What's your excuse there?

What a lame excuse. You failed there 100%. You have zero ability to counter my argument or those links.

cabse5 = :failpail:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[cabse5]

Good question.

"My answer: for his health"

What is your answer? Why is he wearing one?

My answer for why Trump wears a mask is the same reason why a whole host of stores had instituted policies of wearing masks in their stores: It's a political reason...Trump wants to be elected...Stores want business. Enough people on media demanding the use of masks will create the requirement for mask wearing even though masks, solely by themselves, won't protect anyone from the spread of Covid.

 

[Lursa]

My answer for why Trump wears a mask is the same reason why a whole host of stores had instituted policies of wearing masks in their stores: It's a political reason...Trump wants to be elected...Stores want business. Enough people on media demanding the use of masks will create the requirement for mask wearing even though masks, solely by themselves, won't protect anyone from the spread of Covid.

Heh heh heh...so he really does believe most of you are stupid. That you'll just copy him, no questions asked. (If he didnt believe that, he wouldnt be wearing it...you just admitted it :mrgreen

That is exactly his reason. (I purposely mislead in my response before). He believes his followers will do whatever he does. Believe whatever he says. He has no integrity whatsoever.

In this case tho, his selfishness will also coincidentally manipulate his followers into a safer course of action for the nation as a whole....completely unintended by him! :lamo

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[cabse5]

Look it up. Why is that my problem? Did ALL of them have 'comorbidities?' If not, then they spread it to those that didnt.

And if a family SDs together and doesnt go out...they dont get infected :doh Seriously, why did I have to write that out for you? :lamo

I want to dispel the notion that any school-aged kid can be adversely affected by Covid infection even though you wish to, desperately, portray that notion...to do, what?

 

[Lursa]

I want to dispel the notion that any school-aged kid can be adversely affected by Covid infection even though you wish to, desperately, portray that notion...to do, what?

Feel free to do so. Let's see you post the links that show that healthy kids dont get sick from CV19. We already posted many links that showed your 'irrefutable' claim was wrong. I'll just go grab 'em and repost them.

And then you can also explain why non-symptomatic kids running around spreading it isnt a problem for everyone else? That's also been proven to you...that they spread it too.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[cabse5]

Heh heh heh...so he really does believe most of you are stupid. That you'll just copy him, no questions asked. (If he didnt believe that, he wouldnt be wearing it...you just admitted it :mrgreen

That is exactly his reason. (I purposely mislead in my response before). He believes his followers will do whatever he does. Believe whatever he says. He has no integrity whatsoever.

In this case tho, his selfishness will also coincidentally manipulate his followers into a safer course of action for the nation as a whole....completely unintended by him! :lamo

I can't read Trump's mind while you are trying to, for some reason. I just want to point out other possible reasons why Trump wishes to wear a mask.

 

[cabse5]

Feel free to do so. Let's see you post the links that show that healthy kids dont get sick from CV19. We already posted many links that showed your 'irrefutable' claim was wrong. I'll just go grab 'em and repost them.

Scientific studies from the Netherlands and France say healthy school-aged kids don't get sick from Covid. Where are your studies saying healthy school-aged kids are getting sick from Covid? Sweden?...The only other country that is offering school that I can think of. Er, Sweden agrees with the Netherlands and France studies, BTW.

 

[Lursa]

I can't read Trump's mind while you are trying to, for some reason. I just want to point out other possible reasons why Trump wishes to wear a mask.

LOL and I was really clear why. You posted it...clearly you think that.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Scientific studies from the Netherlands and France say healthy school-aged kids don't get sick from Covid. Where are your studies saying school-aged kids are getting sick from Covid? Sweden?...The only other country that is offering school that I can think of.

We have all posted them many times.

Can children get COVID-19? | FAQ

COVID-19 (coronavirus) in babies and children - Mayo Clinic

As Schools Consider Reopening, How Much Can Kids Spread Coronavirus? : Shots - Health News : NPR

Coronavirus in Kids and Babies: Risks, Symptoms, and Prevention

Provide some proof from the US.

The summer camp example is one that clearly proves you wrong. Let's see your proof...

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[cabse5]

We have all posted them many times. Provide some from the US.

The summer camp example is one that clearly proves you wrong. Let's see your proof...

Phone call.

No one (not even me) is doubting that kids with comorbidities like respiratory illnesses or immune deficiencies can get sick from Covid infection. If your summer camp where 82 kids got sick was an asthma camp, for example, I would say those findings would be expected and disingenuous to the claim that healthy school-aged kids can get sick from Covid.

Secondly, why do you accept the 2+ months of world Covid data to be enough data to institute social distancing measures throughout the world but you don't accept studies from France and The Netherlands (lasing at least 2+ months) saying healthy school-aged kids don't get sick from Covid?

 

[Lursa]

Phone call.

No one (not even me) is doubting that kids with comorbidities like respiratory illnesses or immune deficiencies can get sick from Covid infection. If your summer camp where 82 kids got sick was an asthma camp, for example, I would say those findings would be expected and disingenuous to the claim that healthy school-aged kids can get sick from Covid.

Dont invent crap. It wasnt. If it was, prove it. Post it. Completely invalid answer....it's no more than your fantasy.

Secondly, why do you accept the 2+ months of world Covid data to be enough data to institute social distancing measures throughout the world but you don't accept studies from France and The Netherlands (lasing at least 2+ months) saying healthy school-aged kids don't get sick from Covid?

Answer my questions first...provide US sources that prove you are right.

Then we'll compare. Otherwise, your 2 studies in other countries dont hold up to all the other ones that show otherwise.

Let's see it. (And let's see the links for the French and Netherlands studies too)

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[cabse5]

Dont invent crap. It wasnt. If it was, prove it. Post it. Completely invalid answer....it's no more than your fantasy.


Answer my questions first...provide US sources that prove you are right.

Then we'll compare. Otherwise, your 2 studies in other countries dont hold up to all the other ones that show otherwise.

Let's see it. (And let's see the links for the French and Netherlands studies too)

The US can't provide data on healthy school-aged kids getting sick from Covid BECAUSE THE US DOESN'T HAVE SCHOOL.

 

[cabse5]

Dont invent crap. It wasnt. If it was, prove it. Post it. Completely invalid answer....it's no more than your fantasy.


Answer my questions first...provide US sources that prove you are right.

Then we'll compare. Otherwise, your 2 studies in other countries dont hold up to all the other ones that show otherwise.

Let's see it. (And let's see the links for the French and Netherlands studies too)

What kind of camp was it that 82 kids got sick from Covid?

 

[cabse5]

Dont invent crap. It wasnt. If it was, prove it. Post it. Completely invalid answer....it's no more than your fantasy.


Answer my questions first...provide US sources that prove you are right.

Then we'll compare. Otherwise, your 2 studies in other countries dont hold up to all the other ones that show otherwise.

Let's see it. (And let's see the links for the French and Netherlands studies too)

Foreign studies don't hold up to US studies? Boy, you're a nationalist, at least.

 

[cabse5]

Dont invent crap. It wasnt. If it was, prove it. Post it. Completely invalid answer....it's no more than your fantasy.


Answer my questions first...provide US sources that prove you are right.

Then we'll compare. Otherwise, your 2 studies in other countries dont hold up to all the other ones that show otherwise.

Let's see it. (And let's see the links for the French and Netherlands studies too)

Why do you need the links to the studies from France and the Netherlands about Covid and school-aged kids? I thought you said you were an epidemiologist.
EDIT:Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Children and COVID-19 | RIVM
then there's this
COVID-19 in children is usually mild, deaths rare, study says

 

[marke]

You conveniently or you didn't read the update that was on the very same page? Why'd you ignore?

Editor’s Note: The authors added the following statement on Jul 16.

The authors and CIDRAP have received requests in recent weeks to remove this article from the CIDRAP website. Reasons have included: (1) we don’t truly know that cloth masks (face coverings) are not effective, since the data are so limited, (2) wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection.

I want to be careful to listen to the experts because I know they have reasons for saying what they say. Here is one paper from one notable expert:

Reusing masks may increase your risk of coronavirus infection, expert says

Panic buying and the hoarding of face masks to protect from the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) may not be a good idea, says a health expert. It puts you at an increased risk of contracting the virus.
Dr. Jenny Harries, England's deputy chief medical officer, has warned that it was not a good idea for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and causes infection when the wearer breathes in.

 

[Lursa]

The US can't provide data on healthy school-aged kids getting sick from Covid BECAUSE THE US DOESN'T HAVE SCHOOL.

Absolutely wrong. I posted links. Did you read them?

School age kids dont have to be in school to get sick. :doh See: summer camp. :doh

Are you denying the links I posted? Are you really going with the incredibly stupid post you just provided? If so, it's hilarious.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[jakiejakester]

My answer for why Trump wears a mask is the same reason why a whole host of stores had instituted policies of wearing masks in their stores: It's a political reason...Trump wants to be elected...Stores want business. Enough people on media demanding the use of masks will create the requirement for mask wearing even though masks, solely by themselves, won't protect anyone from the spread of Covid.

How on earth can you write what you do? How can anyone deny that wearing a mask is safer than not wearing one? It's just stupid to not wear a mask. As Trump said about some stupid drug "What do you have to lose?" Here in NYC almost everyone wears a mask...social distances, bars and indoor restaurants are not open and New Yorkers listen to our governor and the CDC. Look at what NY is like now compared to March and April? What reason can you come up with why NY has contained Covid?

 

[Lursa]

Why do you need the links to the studies from France and the Netherlands about Covid and school-aged kids? I thought you said you were an epidemiologist.

I read links, unlike you. I dont believe just your comments. So...prove your claim. Show me the links.

And what does being an epidemiologist have to do with it? Are you saying I should know about the studies in FR/Neth? If so, then why do you invalidate my claims on the US studies? :lamo

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Foreign studies don't hold up to US studies? Boy, you're a nationalist, at least.

Show me the links, I'll compare. What are you afraid of?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[marke]

Slowly the herd immunity develops. By the time Joe defeats Donald the "crisis" will evaporate into thin air on the mainstream media.

It looks like some leading democrats are assuming Joe has already won, likely based upon their anticipated returns from voter fraud expectations.

 

[Lursa]

What kind of camp was it that 82 kids got sick from Covid?

Answer my questions first.

You made the claim about anything otherwise, so you have to prove it.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[cabse5]

Absolutely wrong. I posted links. Did you read them?

School age kids dont have to be in school to get sick. :doh See: summer camp. :doh

Are you denying the links I posted? Are you really going with the incredibly stupid post you just provided? If so, it's hilarious.

What kind of summer camp was it?

 

[Lursa]

Desperate does not mean overwhelmed. That is your bogeyman to justify social distancing.

Ah...here's some direct quotes from one specifically labelled 'overwhelmed.' (all from same article) Hospital resources includes beds...and medical staff.

"We literally cannot keep up," Treviño said. He said the hospitals are at 115% of regular Covid-19 dedicated bed capacity, and that 91.7% of the Covid-19 dedicated ICU beds are in use.

Texas Covid-19 hot spot is facing a 'tsunami' of patients, overwhelming hospitals - CNN

"If I found a lamp on the beach and I rubbed it and the genie came out, my first wish would be: President Trump please, please send the USNS Mercy," he said, referring to Navy hospital ship that's been used to alleviate hospital stress during the pandemic. "Let's park it out in the Gulf, which is, you know, 35 miles away. That gives us 1,000 beds with all the personnel attached to it."

Texas Covid-19 hot spot is facing a 'tsunami' of patients, overwhelming hospitals - CNN

Abbott, who spoke with officials and hospital executives in the Rio Grande Valley earlier Tuesday, said the state is working to partner with hotels to provide rooms for people who are recovering from Covid-19 but can't go home yet so they don't infect others.

Texas Covid-19 hot spot is facing a 'tsunami' of patients, overwhelming hospitals - CNN

"It's a tsunami what we're seeing right now," said Dr. Federico Vallejo, a critical care pulmonologist. Vallejo said he's treating nearly 50 to 60 patients a day. Sometimes he takes care of 70. Normally, a critical care doctor sees about 15 to 20 patients during a rotation for a critical care doctor, according to Vallejo.

Vallejo said walking through the hallways at the hospital is a "massive shock," and he worries about the mental health of his colleagues who are overwhelmed with the sheer number of patients. "It's not easy to handle something like this."

Texas Covid-19 hot spot is facing a 'tsunami' of patients, overwhelming hospitals - CNN

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[cabse5]

How on earth can you write what you do? How can anyone deny that wearing a mask is safer than not wearing one? It's just stupid to not wear a mask. As Trump said about some stupid drug "What do you have to lose?" Here in NYC almost everyone wears a mask...social distances, bars and indoor restaurants are not open and New Yorkers listen to our governor and the CDC. Look at what NY is like now compared to March and April? What reason can you come up with why NY has contained Covid?

Humph. Just read my signature.:roll: