Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

[jaeger19]

The idea that masks are helping is an opinion not sufficiently backed by scientific experiment.

Actually as I posted and linked to.. its backed by some good scientific evidence.

Randomized and controlled trials have seen evidence it slows transmission in respiratory infections like Covid.
Meta analysis shows that there is suggestive evidence that it slows transmission of infections like covid

And observational studies have shown that it slows the transmissions of covid.

There is certainly way way way more evidence to date that masks help.. versus evidence that masks do not help to slow transmission.

And if you use a scientific risks versus benefits... the risk of wearing a mask.. is about nil.. while the benefits are much better supported scientifically.

 

[CaughtInThe]

But the pro-life movement never claimed to care about all life. Just the lives of fetuses.

holy crap.


and there you have it. gotta bookmark this fo sho. everyone else should too.

 

[Lursa]

I think they will do a lot better than people think. Look at the pants and clothes kids wear.. and tell me those are comfortable. Cripes.. I see young GUYS.. wearing pants so tight you could tell if a quarter in their pocket was heads or tails (ick).
And when have ever heard a kid saying "but I don;t want to talk loud? Teacher stop making me talk louder.. I want to talk in a quiet voice!".

They won;t trade and throw them away if their parents have to pay to replace them. Everyone you lose, you get charged 12 bucks. Just like books. This really isn;t that hard. Even if kids only wore then 25% of the time.. its STILL greater protection against the virus than 0 percent of the time.

Doesnt matter. All it takes is a few. And again...discomfort triumphs the greater good for kids of all ages. I disagree.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Look. When you're worried about hospital resources being extinguished because of this pandemic, you aren't worried about saving lives.

So you still dont understand it, even tho I've explained it in terms a third grader could understand. That is not remotely what I described. :roll:

Noted. You are wrong and incapable of understanding it. :shrug: Not my problem. Cant fix stupid.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Pro-life means whatever the pro-life organization wants pro-life to mean and not what you want pro-life to mean.

The pro-life position is that the unborn are 'the same' as born people. Do you disagree with that?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

I see there is the fact that you want me to change my mind on the subject.:roll:

I see that you are unable to comprehend a third grade level of the concept that worked in the first 2.5 months of the epidemic in the US and several other countries.

And you continue to post that proudly. Have at it. One cannot put a brain into a stone. :shrug:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Paradoxical]

Your daughter in law was the beneficiary of the placebo effect. She felt it would help her.. and so it did. Even in studies that have shown hydroxychloroquine to potentially have a positive effect.. it was never that dramatic. So in all likelihood.. it was a placebo effect.

So were these mask wearers

 

[Paradoxical]

Only if you have severe psychological issues.

A cloth mask does not restrict 02.. nor does it cause the build up of Co2 in the blood. We routinely have patients who have severe COPD that have respiratory illnesses on top of the COPD which means they need to wear a mask in the hospital when they go out of the room to do rehabilitation, or testing.. and they blood gases are monitored daily and their o2 sats are monitored at all times.. and they suffer no ill effects.

Actually not true.. since wearing a mask doesn't protect you. You wearing a mask protects other people.. in case you contract Covid but are asymptomatic or have very little symptomology and thus wearing the mask helps protect other people from you.

Anything else?

Yes, doctor. I think I need a better opinion.

 

[Lursa]

The idea that masks are helping is an opinion not sufficiently backed by scientific experiment.

But apparently The Donald has finally agreed that it is.

Trump tweets image of himself wearing a mask and calls it 'patriotic' - CNNPolitics

So...which is it?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lakryte]

Yes, doctor. I think I need a better opinion.

How do you think medical professionals, who wear masks all day for hours at a time, have survived for so long? Shouldn't they all have died of a buildup of CO2 by now?

 

[Blackpill]

Herd immunity is not going to save us from Covid-19. Herd immunity without a vaccine is by definition not a preventative measure. Until we have a vaccine, anyone talking about herd immunity as a preventative strategy for COVID-19 is simply wrong.

Do you seriously trust the government with vaccines when in 1976 the government ignored a report the swine vaccine was not safe.


60 Minutes Mike Wallace Exposes the 1976 Swine Flu Pandemic Vaccine Injuries - YouTube

 

[Lursa]

Do you seriously trust the government with vaccines when in 1976 the government ignored a report the swine vaccine was not safe.


60 Minutes Mike Wallace Exposes the 1976 Swine Flu Pandemic Vaccine Injuries - YouTube

That's right, we've learned nothing in 40+ years :doh

The govt was the one shoveling that vaccine thru the pipeline against the pharma's advice. They begged to be relieved of liability before producing. And The Donald was attempting the same thing about a month ago...so you might have a point.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Paradoxical]

How do you think medical professionals, who wear masks all day for hours at a time, have survived for so long? Shouldn't they all have died of a buildup of CO2 by now?

You take them off so. As you leave the room and you hate them. That aside people are wearing masks made out of old underwear and socks,

 

[Blackpill]

Who exactly is calling them role models?

Are you saying because a handful of "lefties" people praise one state and governors handling of the virus no other "lefties" should critize the President of the country?

How many leftist criticize Obama?

 

[HumblePi]

Do you seriously trust the government with vaccines when in 1976 the government ignored a report the swine vaccine was not safe.


60 Minutes Mike Wallace Exposes the 1976 Swine Flu Pandemic Vaccine Injuries - YouTube

I don't trust the government, no. (seriously) I do however trust medical science but any vaccine won't be ready for mass distribution for a long time. Me and my two kids all got the swine flu vaccine.

 

[marke]

Actually no. The strength of the argument is that thousands of folks are dying..and have died. And the only thing that thus far has had the most effect on slowing that death rate and the transmission of the disease has been masks, and social distancing which includes shutting down or changing businesses that cannot follow those conditions by nature of their business.. (bars in particular).

The democrat-controlled cities with the strongest mask and quarantine rules have had the highest numbers of deaths and yet morons want us to believe that democrat mask and quarantine rules are the only things that seem to be working? Have these bozos ever thought about relying on scientific experimentation instead of dummass hysteria driven by mob panic?

 

[Blackpill]

That's right, we've learned nothing in 40+ years :doh

The govt was the one shoveling that vaccine thru the pipeline against the pharma's advice. They begged to be relieved of liability before producing. And The Donald was attempting the same thing about a month ago...so you might have a point.

Right vaccine are safe that people sue in court, even to this day. Vaccine Injury Compensation Data | Official web site of the U.S. Health Resources & Services Administration

 

[marke]

Actually as I posted and linked to.. its backed by some good scientific evidence.

Randomized and controlled trials have seen evidence it slows transmission in respiratory infections like Covid.
Meta analysis shows that there is suggestive evidence that it slows transmission of infections like covid

And observational studies have shown that it slows the transmissions of covid.

There is certainly way way way more evidence to date that masks help.. versus evidence that masks do not help to slow transmission.

And if you use a scientific risks versus benefits... the risk of wearing a mask.. is about nil.. while the benefits are much better supported scientifically.

I am not persuaded your sources are very scientific. I tend to believe reports like this:

COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data | CIDRAP

The authors and CIDRAP have received requests in recent weeks to remove this article from the CIDRAP website. Reasons have included: (1) we don’t truly know that cloth masks (face coverings) are not effective, since the data are so limited, (2) wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection.

If the data are limited, how can we say face coverings are likely not effective?

We agree that the data supporting the effectiveness of a cloth mask or face covering are very limited. We do, however, have data from laboratory studies that indicate cloth masks or face coverings offer very low filter collection efficiency for the smaller inhalable particles we believe are largely responsible for transmission, particularly from pre- or asymptomatic individuals who are not coughing or sneezing. At the time we wrote this article, we were unable to locate any well-performed studies of cloth mask leakage when worn on the face—either inward or outward leakage. As far as we know, these data are still lacking.

The guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for face coverings initially did not have any citations for studies of cloth material efficiency or fit, but some references have been added since the guidelines were first posted. We reviewed these and found that many employ very crude, non-standardized methods (Anfinrud 2020, Davies 2013, Konda 2020, Aydin 2020, Ma 2020) or are not relevant to cloth face coverings because they evaluate respirators or surgical masks (Leung 2020, Johnson 2009, Green 2012).

 

[marke]

But apparently The Donald has finally agreed that it is.

Trump tweets image of himself wearing a mask and calls it 'patriotic' - CNNPolitics

So...which is it?

I will have to disagree with Trump on this and agree with the scientific experts instead.

COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data | CIDRAP

The authors and CIDRAP have received requests in recent weeks to remove this article from the CIDRAP website. Reasons have included: (1) we don’t truly know that cloth masks (face coverings) are not effective, since the data are so limited, (2) wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection.

If the data are limited, how can we say face coverings are likely not effective?

We agree that the data supporting the effectiveness of a cloth mask or face covering are very limited. We do, however, have data from laboratory studies that indicate cloth masks or face coverings offer very low filter collection efficiency for the smaller inhalable particles we believe are largely responsible for transmission, particularly from pre- or asymptomatic individuals who are not coughing or sneezing. At the time we wrote this article, we were unable to locate any well-performed studies of cloth mask leakage when worn on the face—either inward or outward leakage. As far as we know, these data are still lacking.

The guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for face coverings initially did not have any citations for studies of cloth material efficiency or fit, but some references have been added since the guidelines were first posted. We reviewed these and found that many employ very crude, non-standardized methods (Anfinrud 2020, Davies 2013, Konda 2020, Aydin 2020, Ma 2020) or are not relevant to cloth face coverings because they evaluate respirators or surgical masks (Leung 2020, Johnson 2009, Green 2012).

Democrats to scientists: Please don't post your science. It does not agree with our jive.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I am not persuaded your sources are very scientific. I tend to believe reports like this:

So go get sick. :shrug:

 

[Lursa]

Right vaccine are safe that people sue in court, even to this day. Vaccine Injury Compensation Data | Official web site of the U.S. Health Resources & Services Administration

No one has ever claimed they're 100% safe or 100% effective. Any medical treatment can have side effects or allergic reactions.

Awwww, did I burst your bubble? We should probably ditch our cars too right?

And how about ibuprophen? Baby strollers? Aspirin? :doh

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This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

I will have to disagree with Trump on this and agree with the scientific experts instead.

But you dont believe in science...what makes you think that these experts are right and the others wrong? How are you qualified to decide? Oh...because your idea of science is anything that agrees with your confirmation bias. That's it....that's the only qualification...facts, research, data need not apply.

See my sig for marke's 'opinion' on science. So he's on the science 'cafeteria plan.' :roll:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[marke]

So go get sick. :shrug:

I am not threatened by unscientific ignorance and misguided hysteria.

 

[marke]

But you dont believe in science...what makes you think that these experts are right and the others wrong? How are you qualified to decide? Oh...because your idea of science is anything that agrees with your confirmation bias. That's it....that's the only qualification...facts, research, data need not apply.

See my sig for marke's 'opinion' on science. So he's on the science 'cafeteria plan.' :roll:

Nevertheless, when the only objections to scientific data amount to a dozen ways of saying "Nu-uh" then I tend to believe the science.

 

[Lursa]

Nevertheless, when the only objections to scientific data amount to a dozen ways of saying "Nu-uh" then I tend to believe the science.

Except you cant distinguish what that is. Like on masks :roll:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa