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Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

cabse5 said:
If my posts left the impression that no school kids could get or transmit Covid, I want to correct that impression to be there is very little chance of school kids getting or transmitting Covid. Death and taxes are sure things, for example. Wearing the mask is not a sure thing, for example.
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Actually, just yesterday in Texas local news reported that 85 babies under 1 have Covid-19...

85 babies under 1 year old in Nueces County have tested positive for COVID-19, health official Annette Rodriguez says - ABC7 Los Angeles
 
cabse5 said:
I pro-lifer is pro-fetal-life and anti-abortion.:roll: Don't make any generalizations about me. Knowing a little about the pro-life movement doesn't necessarily make me a part of said movement.

Let's face it. You know nothing about the pro-life movement.
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actually, for the pro "LIFE" movement to have any credibility at all they have to care about life.



this isn't hard stuff.
 
CaughtInThe said:
uh. what?
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See my signature. He doesnt understand the concept.

See also: post 1273...he has been unable to answer that question for months. He truly does not understand how social distancing and flattening the curve saved lives.

He believes that the purpose of preserving hospital resources was to....'preserve hospital resources.' He implied once that it was an insurance scam :roll:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Lursa said:
See my signature. He doesnt understand the concept.

See also: post 1273...he has been unable to answer that question for months. He truly does not understand how social distancing and flattening the curve saved lives.

He believes that the purpose of preserving hospital resources was to....'preserve hospital resources.' He implied once that it was an insurance scam :roll:
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oh. so just totally out of the loop.
 
CaughtInThe said:
oh. so just totally out of the loop.
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No...complete lack of comprehension. Total blockage by bias. No new info may permeate that does not conform.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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digitusmedius said:
You do realize that 90% your comments are projection like that and 100% lies, right? You wouldn't know a scientific fact if it ran over you.
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You wouldn't know a scientific fact if it ran over you, because you deny any fact that doesn't fit into your preconceived agenda.
 
Moderate Right said:
You wouldn't know a scientific fact if it ran over you, because you deny any fact that doesn't fit into your preconceived agenda.
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Now you're just throwing my words back...so add lazy and dishonest to your profile. And, aren't you the ones who keep screaming "plagiarism" on the hour, every hour? Why, yes. You are. And, of course, you lot never miss a chance to project. (I await your response which will just use my words again).
 
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Moderate Right said:
Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity
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herd immunity has always been the answer.
 
Lakryte said:
If you google them you can easily access them. I quoted a study above that used the COVID-19 virus specifically, with actual measurable effects. Why do you ignore the abundance of data the goes against your preexisting and misinformed assumptions, and then treat random, non-peer reviewed, amateur YouTube videos as gospel?
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Do you really expect me to Google a source you quoted among many that we’re talking a bout the common flu? Seriously? You used very old stuff and you want ME to Google each one?
 
It will never reach herd immunity, See definition:

herd im·mu·ni·ty
noun
the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.
"the level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity varies by disease but ranges from 83 to 94 percent"

You are never going to get 83-94% of people vaccinated. And the vaccine itself will take over a year just to pass clinical trials.
 
Lursa said:
Why did they want to preserve hospital resources, spread them out over time? You said it was not to save lives, that it did not save lives. (see my sig)

If not to save lives, why would anyone (govt, medical community, insurance community, hospitals, etc) want to preserve hospital resources? For what other purpose?

What's hard to understand there? Please articulate an answer (and not 'to preserve hospital resources).
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I don't know what social distancing's motivation is in just saving hospital resources. I surmise social distancing is implemented because of the notion that hospital resources would all be used up in the pandemic while the pandemic continues to rage on. All I know is when a choice has to be made between saving hospital resources or saving lives and both choices can't be made, social distancing chooses to save hospital resources.
Moving the nursing home residents back into the nursing home would be a good example of this scenario. More nursing home residents would probably be infected with Covid and many of them would probably die but the Covid outbreak would be limited to the nursing home and no more hospital resources would be used to either treat the new Covid nursing home patients or send the previous nursing home Covid patients to another hospital facility.

BTW, that notion that hospital resources will be used up while the pandemic rages on is and was bogus, IMO. The notion was bogus because tainted world Covid data was fed into predictive models of hospital usage in the pandemic.
It seems those responsible for justifying the use of social distancing have warned us of the threat of all hospital resources being used up on many occasions. The threat of all hospital resources being used up in this pandemic justifies the use of social distancing.
 
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Lursa said:
Fine and you're still wrong: see 82 kids in summer camp.

Not only that, we closed schools pretty early here. If we open them up again, that germ factory goes right into mass production, in a way that it didnt have a chance to initially.

The spread may be less but nowhere has the research said it's negligible.

And who brought up 'sure things?' No one is claiming anything is, that I've seen...so dont move the goal posts.
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I'll reply to the bolded of your post. The research of world Covid cases data was negligible but you thought it OK to implement social distancing.
Many still believe protestors can't spread Covid even though the studies on this were negligible. Do we follow the science or don't we? Or do we just follow the science when the science agrees with our political agendas?
 
Lursa said:
You wrote that your position, pro-life, is pro-fetus life. That means it more important than other lives.

It's not a strawman...it is of course a disconnect for many pro-life people but that doesnt mean it's not true.
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Like I posted, a person can belong to many organizations. Stop with the strawman arguments.
 
CaughtInThe said:
actually, for the pro "LIFE" movement to have any credibility at all they have to care about life.



this isn't hard stuff.
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The pro-life movement doesn't take its orders from you.
 
Lursa said:
See my signature. He doesnt understand the concept.

See also: post 1273...he has been unable to answer that question for months. He truly does not understand how social distancing and flattening the curve saved lives.

He believes that the purpose of preserving hospital resources was to....'preserve hospital resources.' He implied once that it was an insurance scam :roll:
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If you want to impress me enough to change my mind, you need to provide more facts and less rhetoric.
 
Paradoxical said:
It is ONLY because Trump recommended it that liberals jumped all over it like white on rice and sought out studies (some of which were debunked) that said it didn't work....the kind where they gave it to patients on their last legs gasping for breath and the liberal doctor said "This stuff don't work worth crap"
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Wrong. Its only because Trump recommended it that Trumpsters starting claiming it was some miracle drug. Doctors and researches did their due diligence and the best evidence currently indicates that Chloroquine isn't effective and may be dangerous for most covid 19 patients. Thats the research.
 
Moderate Right said:
Trump was blasted early on for putting a travel ban on China. In fact, Pelosi and company were trying to pass an anti-ban bill right at the same time Trump banned travel from China. At one time Trump talked about putting a travel ban on New York and Cuomo and the left said that was not necessary.
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No.. trump was blasted early for calling it Wu Han Flu and making out that it was because of Chinese people. He was blasted because he came up with a travel ban that excluded countries that didn;t have much virus.. but failing to include countries.. like Ireland that did have a significant presence of infection (but he had business interest in).

He was blasted early because he failed to adequately prepare the airlines for the travel ban.. and the resulting chaos.. caused americans abroad to rush to the US to avoid not being able to get back. And it caused markets to dip because he stated that trade would also be banned. All sorts of statements that he ended up having to walk backwards on Twitter. Sheesh..
 
You must have missed my post of yesterday. There's no way we'll reach herd immunity with those high vaccination rates. The anti-vaxxers will fix that.

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It will never reach herd immunity, See definition:

herd im·mu·ni·ty
noun
the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.
"the level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity varies by disease but ranges from 83 to 94 percent"

You are never going to get 83-94% of people vaccinated. And the vaccine itself will take over a year just to pass clinical trials.
 
marke said:
Let me post this in order to help:

how many chidlren die each year from the common flu - Bing

Often about 1/2 of the children that die from influenza (usually a couple hundred each season) are healthy infants and children.

Flu deaths: A record-breaking 105 US children have died from flu so far this season - CNN

So far this season,105 children have died from the flu, according to data released Friday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is the highest number of child flu deaths at this point in the season since the CDC started keeping records in 2004, except for the 2009 flu pandemic.


Let's lay aside any estimates of how many tens of thousands of children might die from coronavirus, so far we have this report that 105 children have died from the virus this season. Compare that to the report which says a couple hundred kids typically die from the common flu each year. Now let's look at the 105 coronavirus deaths. What does the report say?

It says that since 2004 this is the highest number of child deaths from the flu except for the 2009 pandemic. I take these facts to mean children are not dying from the coronavirus at an abnormally high or hair-on-fire alarming rate.
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Except you would be foolish to assume that. For one... schools were locked down since the outbreak.. which means that the reason that school children may not seem to be affected by corona is because they have not been in a situation to be exposed as they are with the flu. That may all end in the fall... if states go back to normal schools.
 
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