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Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

Rawley said:
We've had masks mandated here in Los Angeles since mid May and we're spiking. Would a mask mandate somehow magically work in Florida where it hasn't in Los Angeles?
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It's not just masks! FL, TX, AZ and CA all opened indoor dining and bars and that was the major way Covid spread - INDOORS without masks and social distancing + a Jack on the Rocks (or 3 or 4)
 
jakiejakester said:
YES! Lockdown the hot spots, DUH! How do you think we got it contained in NY? DUH! Why can't you understand that until you contain the virus the economy will fail worse than if you lock it down for 4-6 weeks? If you don't lock it down what do you do? Order more refrigerated trucks to toss bodies into???
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If you want to lock things down then you shouldn't be criticizing Trump for the falling economy and high unemployment because that is what YOU want.
 
iguanaman said:
You can't wear masks in bars, clubs and restaurants so masks won't work anywhere they are open. Florida needs to shut down to essential services and mandate masks when in public spaces. Isn't that what Cali is doing?
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Yes. I'll repeat it slowly for you this time. Los Angeles has mandated masks since mid May and our Covid numbers are spiking. My question to you, I'll repeat it, why do you think mandated mask wearing will work in Florida when it hasn't in Los Angeles?
 
jakiejakester said:
It's not just masks! FL, TX, AZ and CA all opened indoor dining and bars and that was the major way Covid spread - INDOORS without masks and social distancing + a Jack on the Rocks (or 3 or 4)
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Well, that wasn't the iquana's argument. He claims "partisan clashes have prevented the implementation of a mask mandate, which health experts say could save thousands of lives."
 
jakiejakester said:
It's not just masks! FL, TX, AZ and CA all opened indoor dining and bars and that was the major way Covid spread - INDOORS without masks and social distancing + a Jack on the Rocks (or 3 or 4)
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DO you have any evidence, at all, that indoor dining was the major way Covid spread?
 
Rawley said:
Yes. I'll repeat it slowly for you this time. Los Angeles has mandated masks since mid May and our Covid numbers are spiking. My question to you, I'll repeat it, why do you think mandated mask wearing will work in Florida when it hasn't in Los Angeles?
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Did restaurants, clubs and bars open in Cali? Masks are useless there.
 
Moderate Right said:
If you want to lock things down then you shouldn't be criticizing Trump for the falling economy and high unemployment because that is what YOU want.
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Wrong! We would be on the other side of the bad economy if every state did what NY state has done. Trump has done nothing to protect the states or the economy. Now he wants to do a payroll tax cut in the next bill because that's all he knows - give money away but that won't solve the problem. Want to solve the problem? Contain Covid and the economy comes back. Allow 75K new cases a day (or maybe 100K as Dr. Fauci is predicting) and the economy will suck and suck and suck until Covid is contained. What would you do to contain Covid?
 
iguanaman said:
Did restaurants, clubs and bars open in Cali? Masks are useless there.
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Are you changing your argument? Mandatory masks are not the point? It's closing down resturants and bars?
 
Rawley said:
DO you have any evidence, at all, that indoor dining was the major way Covid spread?
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Why do you think so many states are closing indoor dining and bars now? Here in NY we've never reopened indoor dining or bars...the results are all the proof you need. Why do you think the hot spots are so hot? What's your theory?
 
jakiejakester said:
Wrong! We would be on the other side of the bad economy if every state did what NY state has done.
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What? Thin the herd? I don't think that's a good model to follow.
 
jakiejakester said:
Why do you think so many states are closing indoor dining and bars now? Here in NY we've never reopened indoor dining or bars...the results are all the proof you need. Why do you think the hot spots are so hot? What's your theory?
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I gather you don't have any evidence that indoor dining was the major way Covid spread. I didn't ask about bars.
 
digitusmedius said:
I'm beginning to feel a bit guilty about how easy it is to smack your Dirtbag worshipping BS down:

Trump'''s `strong wall''' to block COVID-19 from China had holes

And who can forget (besides his Cult) how many times Dirtbag loved-then-hated-then-loved China's role in the covid-19 story:

Trump can’t decide whether to blame China for the coronavirus - POLITICO

But this is the cross you have to bear for going all in for a psychopath.
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Are you serious with those links that criticize him for letting in citizens from China? He was supposed to leave American citizens there. Your side criticized the flight ban and the criticize that he let citizens back? This is your best! Not good it enough. Try harder.
 
Paradoxical said:
Your links are from well known liberal rags.
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Ok then....yawn....here:

Herd immunity may not be achievable in fight against coronavirus | Fox News

"Herd immunity may not be achievable in the fight against coronavirus" Fox News

A recent study in Spain showed that only five percent of the population there have antibodies to ward off the coronavirus despite the prevalence of the disease in the country where there have been nearly 30,000 deaths. The report, which was published in the Lancet, reportedly said, “Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide her immunity.”

Going to answer the question now? I've given you all you asked for and more. I can't possibly think of one more way you can avoid answering the question.

So, what's the plan if you CANT REACH HERD IMMUNITY?
 
RAMOSS said:
Of course, the spread of the virus outside is over 18 times lower than spreading the virus inside.
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So if we are outside and I am infected and cough on you no worries.
 
Rawley said:
I gather you don't have any evidence that indoor dining was the major way Covid spread. I didn't ask about bars.
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Stop nitpicking! You're grasping at irrational ideas because for some reason you can't simply admit or understand what causes community spread. How can you not know? It's like you're in a bubble and all that gets through is Trump is GOOD, CDC BAD, Masks BAD...do you really think doing anything indoors in a crowd is a good idea?

Read this piece! UGH! Diagram: Restaurant airconditioning gave 9 people coronavirus in Guangzhou, China - Business Insider
 
iliveonramen said:
Sure, great idea, millions of deaths rather than washing your hands, wearing a mask, and standing 6 feet apart until a vaccine is produced. Brilliant.
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Didn’t happen in Sweden or South Dakota did it? So what you parrot is a lie. Stop being indoctrinated.
 
BlueTex said:
I've read the study, don't need to "look it up". What they said was this was:

However, our results should be interpreted with some caution and should not be applied to patients treated outside of hospital settings. Our results also require further confirmation in prospective, randomized controlled trials that rigorously evaluate the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19 in hospitalized patients. Considered in the context of current studies on the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19, our results suggest that hydroxychloroquine may have an important role to play in reducing COVID-19 mortality.
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Thanks for finally confirming my post
 
jakiejakester said:
Stop nitpicking! You're grasping at irrational ideas because for some reason you can't simply admit or understand what causes community spread. How can you not know? It's like you're in a bubble and all that gets through is Trump is GOOD, CDC BAD, Masks BAD...do you really think doing anything indoors in a crowd is a good idea?
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No need to post like an asshole if you don't have the evidence. If you can't see the difference in behaviors that go on in bars as opposed to restaurants, Senile Joe is certainly the man to lead you.

Read this piece! UGH! Diagram: Restaurant airconditioning gave 9 people coronavirus in Guangzhou, China - Business Insider
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Ugh yourself. You've just made the argument against any indoor public spaces, grocery stores, Home Depot Target ...
 
iguanaman said:
1000's of Americans came back from China after the so called travel ban. They were not quarantined and many did not even get a notice that they should. The "ban" was a joke.
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And?..........I thought you folks said this came from Europe. Matters not. You have no proof of that group infecting anyone. Do you? There were hundreds of thousands of Chinese that came here before the ban. I have instructed the class previously on this.
 
Ginger Ale said:
Ok then....yawn....here:

Herd immunity may not be achievable in fight against coronavirus | Fox News

"Herd immunity may not be achievable in the fight against coronavirus" Fox News

A recent study in Spain showed that only five percent of the population there have antibodies to ward off the coronavirus despite the prevalence of the disease in the country where there have been nearly 30,000 deaths. The report, which was published in the Lancet, reportedly said, “Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide her immunity.”

Going to answer the question now? I've given you all you asked for and more. I can't possibly think of one more way you can avoid answering the question.

So, what's the plan if you CANT REACH HERD IMMUNITY?
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Because not enough got infected. Takes about 80%. The lock downs ruined humanity.
 
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