Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

[digitusmedius]

Well, that's odd since I'm an elementary tenured teacher.

Well, thanks for that info. I looked the up the AFT definition (that would be one of the unions you'd have to belong to in order to get what passes for tenure in the k-12 public system I suppose) and all it gives you is a right to a fair hearing before being terminated and it would be automatic for all teachers in that union, not based on many years of teaching and seniority in a department. That's a far cry from what a U prof gets with tenure. So, we're really talking about two different animals.

But I'm glad you're a union girl.

 

[Gaius46]

These are all things that you should have mentioned the first time. I could counter with Kinki MMA (Osaka) is the 10th largest in the world. Greater NYC is 11th, Karachi is 12th, Buenos Aires 13th and so on. You could pick one or two per continent, eg Osaka or Karachi and Istanbul, Cairo or Lagos, NYC and Mexico City, London and Paris, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. Compare and contrast. What you cannot do is say that NYC is unique because of it's population density and air hubs (all three, not just JFK).

Health is the issue with risk the secondary issue. Death is the failure statistic, so it must be central to the conversation. New York has done a very good job of blaming others and looking busy, but the results speak for themselves. In particular, forcing nursing care facilities to take in COVID patients was a disaster. Compare Florida, which did much less drastic measures, but achieved much better results. They simply followed the science.

Minor point but LGA has virtually no international flights - a couple to Canada is about it. Basically a rounding error when considered with JFK and EWR. I didn’t include it to avoid having people point out what I just did - that it has inconsequential international traffic.

I’m not arguing that death statistics are meaningless. I’m arguing that raw death numbers are not a valid basis for comparison. Refer to my comparison to NYC to Rutland Vt.

NY may well wind up having done a poorer job compared to other US cities. However, just pointing to number of dead without adjusting for all those variables doesn’t prove that. In short you haven’t proved your case.

And I’d hold off on judging just how well Florida has done until after they get the current outbreak under control.

 

[Paradoxical]

IOW, you don't know what you're talking about--and that's always been abundantly clear.

Buzz off. You don't know what you're talking about and only quoted a small part of my post.

 

[digitusmedius]

Like I said, SOME teachers are overpaid. Not all of them.

Not you, of course.

 

[digitusmedius]

Buzz off. You don't know what you're talking about and only quoted a small part of my post.

Whoa, calm down. Getting triggered that easy just isn't good form. And, believe me when I tell you I did you a kindness by not going into your whole comment.

 

[Paradoxical]

Like I said, SOME teachers are overpaid. Not all of them.

The teachers are paid based on their length of service. It is really a form of socialism. It needs to be "defunded."

 

[digitusmedius]

I can do it! Pick me, pick me!!

You have the floor, Ginger.

 

[digitusmedius]

The teachers are paid based on their length of service. It is really a form of socialism. It needs to be "defunded."

Every post of yours reads like a wail from one of life's left-behinds. Why should everyone else be hampered by your bitterness?

 

[Paradoxical]

Whoa, calm down. Getting triggered that easy just isn't good form. And, believe me when I tell you I did you a kindness by not going into your whole comment.

Really? Why don't you? Know why? Because my post is factual and you deal in emotion and feelings.

 

[mrjurrs]

In case you have not noticed, fatalities are inevitable.

To me and many others, the important thing is the quality of life for those living.

That and most other aspects of how this virus impacts us are unknown. I do know that the quality of life for dead people is pretty low.

 

[Josie]

Not you, of course.

Depends on the year. Some years speed on by quickly because I have a great class with great parents and only one or two stinkers. And then other years I want to crawl into a hole and die the entire time. Overall, it seems to balance out.

Now there are newish teachers who work exceptionally hard and are incredibly dedicated who very much deserve more money than the teacher down the hall who does the minimum or less.

 

[Josie]

The teachers are paid based on their length of service. It is really a form of socialism. It needs to be "defunded."

And that doesn't mean that some teachers don't deserve their salary, does it?

 

[distraff]

Leftists seem to brag about New York state and Andrew Cuomo's handling of the Coronavirus and how their cases are dropping. Leftists call them the role model while blaming Trump for the increases happening in most states. But, evidence shows that New York's success may actually be due to herd immunity. If this is the case, then leftists shouldn't be criticizing Trump, or, they should be criticizing Cuomo for doing such a horrible job that his state may now have achieved herd immunity. Did New York do a good job in allowing 32,000 Covid deaths to achieve that herd immunity? Which way is it leftists?

Scientists hail '''stunning''' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

But New York overall has only 21% immunity. That means New York has to go through multiple times to get herd immunity. In the US, that percent overall is about 5%.
68% Have Antibodies in This Clinic. Can a Neighborhood Beat a Next Wave? - The New York Times

Another problem is that multiple studies across the world are showing that immunity lasts a few weeks to a few months. Also, the virus has been proven to mutate and the European strain is a mutation.

 

[Luce]

The teachers are paid based on their length of service. It is really a form of socialism. It needs to be "defunded."

My salary works exactly the same way, in every detail. Should I be defunded?

 

[digitusmedius]

Really? Why don't you? Know why? Because my post is factual and you deal in emotion and feelings.

No. It's clearly the palpable base-line rage you operate from. Did you grow up thinking that the world owed you success?

 

[digitusmedius]

Depends on the year. Some years speed on by quickly because I have a great class with great parents and only one or two stinkers. And then other years I want to crawl into a hole and die the entire time. Overall, it seems to balance out.

Now there are newish teachers who work exceptionally hard and are incredibly dedicated who very much deserve more money than the teacher down the hall who does the minimum or less.

Every profession has the slackers. But usually they're outliers.

 

[Moderate Right]

How do I know you're not one? I'd hate to make a rash and incorrect call either way. Let me see you write: "I am not a dirtbag," and I will take your word for it and state so.

LOL. You still can't say it. All we get is the big dodge.

 

[digitusmedius]

In case you have not noticed, fatalities are inevitable.

To me and many others, the important thing is the quality of life for those living.

I remember you lot attacked Obamacare as being a granny-killer but it's clear now that that was also the inherent projection of the rightwing. Granny-killing turns out to finally be the long-promised Republican replacement for Obamacare. And they didn't even have to legislate it.

 

[digitusmedius]

LOL. You still can't say it. All we get is the big dodge.

All you have to do is declare that you're not a dirtbag and I'll state that I take your word for it. So easy. Can't you do even that simple thing? Like I said before I can do this all day if that's what you want.

 

[Moderate Right]

But New York overall has only 21% immunity. That means New York has to go through multiple times to get herd immunity. In the US, that percent overall is about 5%.
68% Have Antibodies in This Clinic. Can a Neighborhood Beat a Next Wave? - The New York Times

Another problem is that multiple studies across the world are showing that immunity lasts a few weeks to a few months. Also, the virus has been proven to mutate and the European strain is a mutation.

LOL. New York is number one on the virus list, by a long shot. Number two isn't even close. How can leftists say how a great a job New York has done? I would say being number one shows that they did horribly at it. And, California is number two. What a great job they have done! But, it's all Trump's fault. Does the buck stop at Trump when it comes to all the bottom states, or does the buck just stop at all of New York and California's failures? The left often point out that the populations of the two mean they will obviously have more cases than other states but then the left won't give the US the same credit because our population is much higher than most other countries. It's all about the left's TDS.

 

[Luckyone]

Schools get far too much money right now, Funding has increased and we are still turning out j=kids who can't read, write or do math after 12 years of high school. It is a cultural issue and schools which have been told to ignore those who disrupt and fail.

Here is a link from the very liberal Brookings Institute:

Do school districts spend less money on poor and minority students?

Schools whine all the time about money while the admins make hundreds of thousands each year.

What does any of that have to do with Democrats?

I would say that the problem is more about corruption than it is about parties.

 

[digitusmedius]

LOL. New York is number one on the virus list, by a long shot. Number two isn't even close. How can leftists say how a great a job New York has done? I would say being number one shows that they did horribly at it. And, California is number two. What a great job they have done! But, it's all Trump's fault. Does the buck stop at Trump when it comes to all the bottom states, or does the buck just stop at all of New York and California's failures? The left often point out that the populations of the two mean they will obviously have more cases than other states but then the left won't give the US the same credit because our population is much higher than most other countries. It's all about the left's TDS.

But NY has seen the biggest reduction while your **** redstates who were laughing at NY then are paying the price now. Only you could still be trying to milk that big mistake of crowing about and relishing the misery of others. Now it's your turn and I won't gloat like you're still doing. You people never learn.

 

[digitusmedius]

What does any of that have to do with Democrats?

I would say that the problem is more about corruption than it is about parties.

Our man seems to have a grudge against anyone who got something that he should have had....or something like that. IOW, he's just chock full of envy. Somehow he grew up thinking somebody owed him success that he didn't achieve on his own.

 

[Moderate Right]

All you have to do is declare that you're not a dirtbag and I'll state that I take your word for it. So easy. Can't you do even that simple thing? Like I said before I can do this all day if that's what you want.

You called Trump supporters dirtbags. I'm not really a Trump supporter so my status doesn't count. I didn't even vote for the guy. May not vote for the guy this year. But, I will defend him from the left's constant wild accusations.

 

[Moderate Right]

But NY has seen the biggest reduction while your **** redstates who were laughing at NY then are paying the price now. Only you could still be trying to milk that big mistake of crowing about and relishing the misery of others. Now it's your turn and I won't gloat like you're still doing. You people never learn.

New York has had over 430,000 cases and over 32,000 deaths. Number two, California, has had over 350,000 cases. It's difficult to spin that off as doing a good job.