Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

[cabse5]

Good, because "herd immunity" from COVID-19 is a dog whistle for genocide.



You said it yourself: Getting most of this nation infected is not the way to go. "Herd immunity," if we could even get it, would only prevent future epidemics, not this one.

The people who actually know what they're talking about have been crystal clear: Reduce the transmission as much as possible until we can get most people vaccinated. This will take a team effort, but way too many Americans are selfish brats and not team players.

If I gave you advice to not participate in troll threads would you take it?

 

[bomberfox]

A preponderance of anecdotal evidence can win a court case.

Court cases use different standards than scientists or well anyone that wants to study something scientifically. Anecdotes do not matter.

 

[Phys251]

If I gave you advice to not participate in troll threads would you take it?

And here they come. The juvenile insults. The classic sign that you have run out of things to say but still want to keep talking. :lol:

Your failure to actually respond to anything I said did not go unnoticed.

 

[cabse5]

Court cases use different standards than scientists or well anyone that wants to study something scientifically. Anecdotes do not matter.

How did Einstein, for example, decide on studying relativity instead of the established science of ether if not for anecdotal evidence?

How did the FBI decide to investigate the connections between the Trump campaign and Russians if not for anecdotal evidence?

 

[cabse5]

And here they come. The juvenile insults. The classic sign that you have run out of things to say but still want to keep talking. :lol:

Your failure to actually respond to anything I said did not go unnoticed.

You should understand the type of thread this is. You love the idea of using social distancing. You were 'harpooned' into participating.

 

[bomberfox]

How did Einstein, for example, decide on studying relativity instead of the established science of ether if not for anecdotal evidence?

How did the FBI decide to investigate the connections between the Trump campaign and Russians if not for anecdotal evidence?

Einstein did not rely on anecdotal evidence, nor does any other major natural scientist. They rely on other types of evidence which are demonstrable and repeatable, not to mention mathematically sound. In order to get published, you have to document EVERYTHING that went into your experiment, show the exact steps in meticulous detail that you took in your experiment and show what might falsify your hypothesis and more.

 

[cabse5]

Einstein did not rely on anecdotal evidence, nor does any other major natural scientist. They rely on other types of evidence which are demonstrable and repeatable, not to mention mathematically sound.

Why did Einstein decide to study relativity when the accepted science was ether?

 

[digitusmedius]

I really don't care if you think I am impartial. The parties have always put maintaining power above the people's best interest. They are not funded by We the People and they do not work for We the People. They are beholden to the rich and powerful who fund and own them. Otherwise we would not have all these problems in our democrat cities where the minorities are not treated equally by the police or our judicial system. They tell us what we want to hear but never solve the problem.

So, when you describe yourself as "liberal" do you mean as compared to someone like George Wallace?

 

[Phys251]

You should understand the type of thread this is. You love the idea of using social distancing. You were 'harpooned' into participating.

:lamo

Prove that social distancing will actually kill more people. If you can.

 

[bomberfox]

Why did Einstein decide to study relativity when the accepted science was ether?

Thats not anecdotal, he had to show much much more in order to get accepted and submit his findings to his peers for review. Nothing anecdotal about this as i said above. He had to give step by step details of how to reproduce his experimental findings.

 

[cabse5]

:lamo

Prove that social distancing will actually kill more people. If you can.

My suggestion of reverse quarantining the 20%, or so, of those most susceptible to Covid apart and away from everyone else. This quarantine actually protects the most susceptible with a quarantine, someone in the reverse quarantine is transported to the ICU if they contract Covid and, since those in the reverse quarantine are actually protected from Covid, less hospital facilities are used. A win, win so to speak.

 

[cabse5]

Thats not anecdotal, he had to show much much more in order to get accepted and submit his findings to his peers for review. Nothing anecdotal about this as i said above. He had to give step by step details of how to reproduce his experimental findings.

I didn't ask what Einstein had to do for his study to commence. I asked what information Einstein received (and how he received it) for him to decide on a study of relativity.

 

[iguanaman]

No. Saving hospital resources and saving lives isn't always the same. I acknowledge that a coincidental byproduct of saving hospital resources may be saving lives, but, when a decision must be made between saving hospital resources and saving lives and when only one of the two decisions can be made a la the decision to be made with Covid formerly nursing home residents, social distancing chose to send the Covid formerly nursing home residents back to the nursing home to save hospital resources. How did sending the Covid formerly nursing home residents back into the nursing home save on hospital resources? Any outbreak of new Covid cases would be contained to the nursing home.

BTW, the only other conclusion one can make with the sending of the Covid nursing home patients back into the nursing home is that epidemiologists (or the CDC/WHO) were unaware that sending Covid nursing home patients back into the nursing would create a whole lot of death. That would be even more scary if the CDC/WHO, for example, were unaware.

The fact that cities like NYC which had federal makeshift hospitals made to accommodate the Covid sick in their cities refused to use those makeshift hospital resources and, instead, for example, sent the Covid nursing home residents back into the nursing home is a further indictment of the social distancing construct...That social distancing doesn't save lives but saves hospital resources.

Give me a break. Yes Cuomo sent covid patients back to nursing homes but it was because they were supposed to have PPE and be able to isolate the infected from the rest of the residents. That was not the case in most States and is not the reason we are at another peak in new cases and months of shutdown have been wasted. Here is Florida we need a stay at home order immediately and all but essential services need to be closed.

 

[digitusmedius]

Why did Einstein decide to study relativity when the accepted science was ether?

Whenever you people try to talk "sciency" hilarity always follows. Einstein (and others, btw) developed a theory (here we have to pause and remind the scientifically innocent that a theory is not just some scientist's opinion but a carefully and systematically principle of science -- in this case cosmological physics -- that is backed up over time by rigorous testing and experimentation) to explain the relationship between energy and matter (which he called "special relativity*" expressed neatly with the famous equation E=MC²) . He didn't "decide to study" relativity. He discovered it and described it mathematically. So, thanks again for the comic relief.

*He later addressed the thornier issue of gravitation with his General Theory of Relativity.

 

[cabse5]

So, when you describe yourself as "liberal" do you mean as compared to someone like George Wallace?

Liberal must be a relative term to you. Progressives are far-left (I guess I'm being relative) so every other political belief is to the right to a progressive and some political beliefs must be magnified to the right for a progressive.

 

[cabse5]

Give me a break. Yes Cuomo sent covid patients back to nursing homes but it was because they were supposed to have PPE and be able to isolate the infected from the rest of the residents. That was not the case in most States and is not the reason we are at another peak in new cases and months of shutdown have been wasted. Here is Florida we need a stay at home order immediately and all but essential services need to be closed.

You didn't answer my claim against Cuomo. You just moved the goal posts.

 

[Tbird19482]

Excuses. Excuses. Lockdowns, the one sure way to prevent the spread of a pandemic is unsustainable.

Who said they were ?
Have a nice day

 

[cabse5]

Who said they were ?
Have a nice day

The only way for a Covid virus to die is if the lockdown lasts longer than the germination period of Covid.

 

[Phys251]

My suggestion of reverse quarantining the 20%, or so, of those most susceptible to Covid apart and away from everyone else. This quarantine actually protects the most susceptible with a quarantine, someone in the reverse quarantine is transported to the ICU if they contract Covid and, since those in the reverse quarantine are actually protected from Covid, less hospital facilities are used. A win, win so to speak.

PROVE that this is the optimal strategy. Cite your sources.

 

[bomberfox]

Liberal must be a relative term to you. Progressives are far-left (I guess I'm being relative) so every other political belief is to the right to a progressive and some political beliefs must be magnified to the right for a progressive.

Sounds like the red scare faux news keeps perpetuating.

 

[bomberfox]

I didn't ask what Einstein had to do for his study to commence. I asked what information Einstein received (and how he received it) for him to decide on a study of relativity.

It sure as hell wasnt Anecdote Andy. His study began with a discovery which he rigorously tested. No anecdotes here.

 

[digitusmedius]

I learned 50 years ago that there is nothing I can do personally that will stop other creatures on this planet from dying of natural causes.

Maybe someday you will come to the same realization? Maybe not. eace

Thank the gods you didn't become a physician with that attitude. As it is there are too many of them who in the Cult of Dirtbag already with the same attitude.

 

[digitusmedius]

It sure as hell wasnt Anecdote Andy. His study began with a discovery which he rigorously tested. No anecdotes here.

Discussing science with this sort is like trying to teach a pig to talk except that it's much harder.

 

[digitusmedius]

Another strawman argument from you? You could post some facts, ya know.:roll:

Now we have to add "straw man fallacy" to the quickly growing list of "Things You Don't Have a Clue About."

 

[digitusmedius]

You reverse quarantine the 20%, or so, who are most vulnerable to Covid in the US. You don't protect anyone else. Let those not in reverse quarantine give Covid to anyone else not in reverse quarantine...It won't hurt them.

You won't care about spread of cases. You'll care about hospitalizations and deaths where Covid is the underlying cause.

As I said before---you're advocating for a concentration camp. Some ideas never die, eh?