Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

[Lursa]

Let's assume you don't know who all Fauci is involved with. That means you cannot refute reports like this, even though you can do research on your own to try to refute the report:

DOES DR. FAUCI HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS? - C-VINE Network

Once again:

There is no source for that opinion piece. None. Where is the paper trail? Where is the proof?

Please actually link to the facts on the $$ exchange.​

*snicker* It seems you'll believe anything :roll:

"He who knows least, follows best."

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[marke]

And a meteor killed all the dinosaurs.

A lot of highly indoctrinated egotistical buffoons actually believe that nonsense.

 

[marke]

BWWAAAAH... you need to read the whole article.

Here some reading for you.

http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Politics_of_Voter_Fraud_Final.pdf

Resources on Voter Fraud Claims | Brennan Center for Justice

You still don't know what you don't know. Here is some more you obviously did not know:

House Report 105-416 - DISMISSING THE ELECTION CONTEST AGAINST LORETTA SANCHEZ

The Committee detailed egregious violations of the state
election laws to support its conclusion including: (1) stolen
ballots; (2) improperly constituted board of election
inspectors; (3) persons voting multiple times; (4)
electioneering too close to the polls; (5) unsworn persons
handling ballots; (6) intimidation of poll workers; (7)
drunkenness by the head of the board of election inspectors;
(8) inspectors with knowledge of stolen ballots failing to
report such illegalities; and (9) torn, erased, and mutilated
ballots. ...


Information gathered at this Field Hearing indicated that
the Immigration and Naturalization Service was unwilling to
assist either the Contestant or the Secretary of State Bill
Jones in determining if non-citizens voted in the 1996
election.\79\ ...


The Majority analysis began with a shotgun approach,
sweeping into its ``suspect voter'' category over 500,000
registrant name matches. The Majority attempted to refine . ...


number by including only 46th Congressional District registrant
names to be matched with INS files. This resulted in 136,000
matching names, which is more ``suspect voters'' than actual
voters in the 46th Congressional election in 1996. This again
suggests that the foundation upon which the Majority analysis
proceeded was fundamentally flawed. ...


9th--The California Secretary of State announced that an
INS analysis of 1,100 persons enrolled in Hermandad citizenship
classes had discovered 490 documented non-citizens who
registered to vote in CA 46. Of these, 303 actually voted
illegally in CA 46, and 69 individuals had no record in INS
files. ...


dismissal of the cases of Hendon v. Clarke in 1983 and Hansen
v. Stallings in 1985 where persuasive allegations of irregular
vote countings were plead properly.29 ...


Similarly, in Farr v. McLane 98 the Committee
addressed an election contest containing a wide range of
violations including: (1) unregistered voters casting ballots;
(2) names appearing on the voted tape for persons who had not
cast ballots; (3) individuals voting who were minors or had not
paid the mandatory poll tax; and (4) the placement of
fraudulent ballots in the ballot box. The Committee found that
for the majority of the 1,006 illegal votes, there was no way
to determine for which candidate the votes were cast. It
determined that in the districts in which there was conclusive
evidence of fraud on the part of the election officials,
precedent justified rejecting the entire vote of these
precincts. The Committee emphasized that in these precincts not
only had persons been permitted to vote who had not registered,
but there was evidence of other fraud and collusion on the part
of election officials. ...

 

[marke]

Please show that Dr Fauci has had the means to corrupt the multiple studies on HCQ that have not shown effectiveness.

Fauci favored the crappy China vaccine before it had even been tested in the US and publicly denounced HCQ in spite of its decades of proven effectiveness. Fauci had personal ties to those who developed the very expensive China vaccine which has never been proven effective to this day, even though it is in full production in China. These crooks are in it for the money and they don't give a damn how many tens of thousands of people will end up dying because of their greed.

 

[marke]

Once again:

There is no source for that opinion piece. None. Where is the paper trail? Where is the proof?

Please actually link to the facts on the $$ exchange.​

*snicker* It seems you'll believe anything :roll:

"He who knows least, follows best."

It looks like you know very little about what is going on in the world of infectious diseases research and development, and the ways educated elitists are milking virus outbreaks for huge personal profits at the expense of innocent lives, sometimes numbering in the tens of thousands.

There are literally hundreds of different organizations and groups, many of them fully funded by the US government, which all collaborate on a host of interconnected issues. Many of these organizations are fully staffed with highly educated , extremely well paid experts who end up collaborating together on individual aspects of what is developing as a common one world government goal. This is not just about diseases, but also about global warming, capitalism, wealth redistribution, atheism, poverty and dozens of other issues, generally lumped under terms like sustainable growth or sustainable development.

Unfortunately, conservative Christian views are becoming something of a stick in the mud of these leftists' goals of economic and social change.

Do not turn America over to sustainable growth atheistic communists. Vote republican in 2020.

Al Gore, UN Secretary-General, others now demanding '''Great Reset''' of global capitalism | Fox Business

“So, I think this is a time for a ‘Great Reset,’” Gore said. “We’ve got to fix a lot of these problems that have been allowed to fester for way too long. And the climate crisis is an opportunity to create tens of millions of new jobs, clean up the air, and reduce the death rate from pandemics, by the way, because the air pollution from burning fossil fuels heightens the death rates from coronavirus. So, this is a time for a reset to fix a bunch of challenges, first among them the climate crisis.”

If these quotes don’t terrify you, they should. Here we have some of the world’s most influential people calling for the destruction of global capitalism, all while American cities burn, statues of founding fathers are torn down and the world economy struggles to recover from its worst collapse in a century.

 

[jakiejakester]

Did Bill Gates Buy the CDC? | Armstrong Economics


Dr. Anthony Fauci has a $100 million conflict of interest which is why he was opposing Trump. He is in league with Bill Gates who has pledged $100 million for Fauci to play with. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID, a division of National Institutes of Health, NIH) director Dr. Anthony Fauci, who was against using chloroquine, said in an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, “There’s no magic drug for coronavirus right now,” and lectured, “Let me put it into perspective for the viewers .. there has been anecdotal non-proven data that it [chloroquine] works… but when you have an uncontrolled trial you can never definitely say that it works.”

I have warned that the CDC takes private money through its foundation. Gates even gave CDC Foundation $13.5 million. I do not believe we can trust Fauci in the least. The CDC nor the NIH should NEVER be allowed to be bought in this way. It is Gates who wants to inject us all with microchips. I seriously do not understand if all his money has simply gone to his head.

Really? Total CONSPIRACY THEORY by a convicted felon. Do you know what Martin Armstrong went to jail for???

Martin A. Armstrong - Wikipedia

"Martin Arthur Armstrong (born November 1, 1949) is an American self-taught economic forecaster and convicted felon who spent 11 years in jail for cheating investors out of $700 million and hiding $15 million in assets from regulators."

So....Do I believe a convict who stole $700M and when to jail for 11 years or Tony Fauci? It's amazing the BS you try to post here. You're not fooling anyone except yourself

 

[marke]

Really? Total CONSPIRACY THEORY by a convicted felon. Do you know what Martin Armstrong went to jail for???

Martin A. Armstrong - Wikipedia

"Martin Arthur Armstrong (born November 1, 1949) is an American self-taught economic forecaster and convicted felon who spent 11 years in jail for cheating investors out of $700 million and hiding $15 million in assets from regulators."

So....Do I believe a convict who stole $700M and when to jail for 11 years or Tony Fauci? It's amazing the BS you try to post here. You're not fooling anyone except yourself

Are you trying to discredit what the man said by pointing out that he spent time in prison? Why not post facts that prove what he said is wrong instead of focusing on his checkered past without posting those facts?

 

[Vadinho]

A lot of highly indoctrinated egotistical buffoons actually believe that nonsense.

Are you really saying that a meteor or comet did not kill the dinosaurs? Are you that insane?

 

[marke]

Are you really saying that a meteor or comet did not kill the dinosaurs? Are you that insane?

The Chicxulub theory was invented in 1980. The crater was discovered in 1990. It has been downhill ever since for the doomed dinosaur extinction speculative theory.


CHICXULUB: THE IMPACT CONTROVERSY | Gerta Keller, Professor of Geosciences

The Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary (KTB) mass extinction is primarily known for the demise of the dinosaurs, the Chicxulub impact, and the frequently rancorous thirty years-old controversy over the cause of this mass extinction. Since 1980 the impact hypothesis has steadily gained support, which culminated in 1990 with the discovery of the Chicxulub crater on Yucatan as the KTB impact site and “smoking gun” that proved this hypothesis. In a perverse twist of fate, this discovery also began the decline of this hypothesis, because for the first time it could be tested directly based on the impact crater and impact ejecta in sediments throughout the Caribbean, Central America and North America.

The warning signal raised by the PEMEX core studies was to no avail. Chicxulub had become the KTB impact crater. This foregone conclusion only lacked the evidence. A frantic hunt for confirmation of the KTB age of the Chicxulub impact crater had begun. The best evidence that could be hoped for now rested on the stratigraphic position of impact ejecta, such as melt rock glass spherules, shocked quartz minerals, and especially an Ir anomaly.

The presence of impact spherules in Danian sediments first observed in Haiti was subsequently observed in Cuba, Belize, Guatemala, Caribbean and N. Atlantic (reviews in Keller, 2003a, b; Stüben et al., 2005; Keller 2008). In all localities a major unconformity is present at the KTB. Haiti could not substantiate Chicxulub as the KTB impact.

Old ideas die hard. In a study dating ash and lignite layers in Montana (Hell Creek and Hauso sections) Renne et al. (2013, Feb. Science) argue that this age is equivalent to the age of the impact spherules in the Beloc sections based on Ar/Ar dating of spherules, concluding that the Chicxulub impact is precisely KTB age. Their conclusion is unsupported given the large uncertainty of 1% in Ar/Ar dating, the absence of impact spherules in Montana, the absence of land-marine correlation, the fact that all impact spherules at Beloc are reworked above a KTB hiatus and that black and yellow impact spherules give different ages.

 

[Vadinho]

The Chicxulub theory was invented in 1980. The crater was discovered in 1990. It has been downhill ever since for the doomed dinosaur extinction speculative theory.


CHICXULUB: THE IMPACT CONTROVERSY | Gerta Keller, Professor of Geosciences

The Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary (KTB) mass extinction is primarily known for the demise of the dinosaurs, the Chicxulub impact, and the frequently rancorous thirty years-old controversy over the cause of this mass extinction. Since 1980 the impact hypothesis has steadily gained support, which culminated in 1990 with the discovery of the Chicxulub crater on Yucatan as the KTB impact site and “smoking gun” that proved this hypothesis. In a perverse twist of fate, this discovery also began the decline of this hypothesis, because for the first time it could be tested directly based on the impact crater and impact ejecta in sediments throughout the Caribbean, Central America and North America.

The warning signal raised by the PEMEX core studies was to no avail. Chicxulub had become the KTB impact crater. This foregone conclusion only lacked the evidence. A frantic hunt for confirmation of the KTB age of the Chicxulub impact crater had begun. The best evidence that could be hoped for now rested on the stratigraphic position of impact ejecta, such as melt rock glass spherules, shocked quartz minerals, and especially an Ir anomaly.

The presence of impact spherules in Danian sediments first observed in Haiti was subsequently observed in Cuba, Belize, Guatemala, Caribbean and N. Atlantic (reviews in Keller, 2003a, b; Stüben et al., 2005; Keller 2008). In all localities a major unconformity is present at the KTB. Haiti could not substantiate Chicxulub as the KTB impact.

Old ideas die hard. In a study dating ash and lignite layers in Montana (Hell Creek and Hauso sections) Renne et al. (2013, Feb. Science) argue that this age is equivalent to the age of the impact spherules in the Beloc sections based on Ar/Ar dating of spherules, concluding that the Chicxulub impact is precisely KTB age. Their conclusion is unsupported given the large uncertainty of 1% in Ar/Ar dating, the absence of impact spherules in Montana, the absence of land-marine correlation, the fact that all impact spherules at Beloc are reworked above a KTB hiatus and that black and yellow impact spherules give different ages.

Ok, so you found a skeptic. Has she proven her thesis among peers yet? I checked on her, not yet. Try harder.

 

[marke]

Ok, so you found a skeptic. Has she proven her thesis among peers yet? I checked on her, not yet. Try harder.

The theory is preposterous on its face. It has all the scientific aspects of the same type of brilliant speculationism that marked Francis Crick's panspermia 'alien in spaceships' theory of the origin of life on earth.

 

[Lursa]

It looks like you know very little about what is going on in the world of infectious diseases research and development, and the ways educated elitists are milking virus outbreaks for huge personal profits at the expense of innocent lives, sometimes numbering in the tens of thousands.

Actually, I'm fairly well informed.

Now...why did you bother posting the rest of that crap without giving me sources for your original link? This other crap does not provide answers or sources to support your original BS post. Nice attempt at diversion, but another fail for you.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Really? Total CONSPIRACY THEORY by a convicted felon. Do you know what Martin Armstrong went to jail for???

Martin A. Armstrong - Wikipedia

"Martin Arthur Armstrong (born November 1, 1949) is an American self-taught economic forecaster and convicted felon who spent 11 years in jail for cheating investors out of $700 million and hiding $15 million in assets from regulators."

So....Do I believe a convict who stole $700M and when to jail for 11 years or Tony Fauci? It's amazing the BS you try to post here. You're not fooling anyone except yourself

:lamo:lamo

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[jakiejakester]

Are you trying to discredit what the man said by pointing out that he spent time in prison? Why not post facts that prove what he said is wrong instead of focusing on his checkered past without posting those facts?

THere's nothing to prove. He has an opinion not based in facts. He's a convicted felon and liar so he and Trump are kindred spirits. That story is complete BS. If it weren't Fox news et al would be all over it. You're the one that needs to come up with creditable sources to back up the $700M convict. Why is it that you believe nuts and totally disbelieve everyone / everything else? You're a conspiracy lover - you love made up sh** that has no level of truth to it and you always cite the least credible sources, always. You never prove your point because your sources are all conspiracists who prey on people like you who are so gullible and can't tell the truth from the BS.

 

[Lursa]

Ok, so you found a skeptic. Has she proven her thesis among peers yet? I checked on her, not yet. Try harder.

Not my signature before you get in too deep with that poster. :roll:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Dacke]

The best strategy is not to lock people in their homes and let each and every adult take responsibility for their own health. Locking people up is preposterous and a strategy that lacks both goal and reason.

It is not really a question of herd immunity or not. The virus is here to stay and something we have to learn to deal with. No one knows what we are dealing with and only thing we can say is that all predictions and guesstimates were terribly wrong.

 

[Vadinho]

The theory is preposterous on its face. It has all the scientific aspects of the same type of brilliant speculationism that marked Francis Crick's panspermia 'alien in spaceships' theory of the origin of life on earth.

Well, you are consistently contrarian. I am glad we don't live in your universe. Why do you insist on making a fool of yourself online? Do you really grasp just how ridiculous you are?

 

[Vadinho]

Not my signature before you get in too deep with that poster. :roll:

You need to help me out. What did you try to say to me?

 

[marke]

Ok, so you found a skeptic. Has she proven her thesis among peers yet? I checked on her, not yet. Try harder.

Mob opinion does not constitute truth. The theory was born in or around 1980. The Chicxulub crater was discovered in or around 1990. Since then researchers have had a very hard time matching the meteor fragments with the speculations about the Chicxulub meteor impact. Color me skeptical.

There were more than dinosaurs who mysteriously went extinct and evidences of mass extinctions of other species abound. I suspect the flood of Noah was the cause for most, if not all, of those. The biggest problem with the flood theory is the questionable dating assigned by secularists to the geological record, but those dating methods are seriously flawed as well, so I remain convinced the flood was the cause.

 

[marke]

THere's nothing to prove. He has an opinion not based in facts. He's a convicted felon and liar so he and Trump are kindred spirits. That story is complete BS. If it weren't Fox news et al would be all over it. You're the one that needs to come up with creditable sources to back up the $700M convict. Why is it that you believe nuts and totally disbelieve everyone / everything else? You're a conspiracy lover - you love made up sh** that has no level of truth to it and you always cite the least credible sources, always. You never prove your point because your sources are all conspiracists who prey on people like you who are so gullible and can't tell the truth from the BS.

Gilead Sciences is not a conspiracy theory. It is a drug manufacturer who sells an extremely high priced drug regimen which promises to be a preventative cure for COVID-19. It has never proven to be any such thing. Fauci promotes it while discrediting a drug proven to be effective, and that makes him a crook. At more than $4,000 a person, with the US government picking up the tab, Gilead Sciences stands to make $Billions in profits in a very short period of time. Do not fall for that highway robbery quackery.

Help stop the personal profit-making at US expense of political and government leaders. Vote republican in 2020.

 

[marke]

Well, you are consistently contrarian. I am glad we don't live in your universe. Why do you insist on making a fool of yourself online? Do you really grasp just how ridiculous you are?

You are hard to figure. I mention Francis Crick's spaceship panspermia origin of life theory and you go off on me. Was it something I said? Panspermia? Spaceships? Francis Crick? Something else?

Take my advice. Don't be led to believe everything everyone else seems to believe without question. There is a whole lot of crap in science that most people believe because that is what they were taught and everyone else seems to believe as well. Most scientific lies and errors are started by a very few misguided or dishonest researchers and have gained acceptance only by mob opinion but never by irrefutable evidence. Ask for evidence, even if people think you are crazy for doing so.

 

[Lursa]

You need to help me out. What did you try to say to me?

"not" is supposed to be "note"

typo

 

[jakiejakester]

The best strategy is not to lock people in their homes and let each and every adult take responsibility for their own health. Locking people up is preposterous and a strategy that lacks both goal and reason.

It is not really a question of herd immunity or not. The virus is here to stay and something we have to learn to deal with. No one knows what we are dealing with and only thing we can say is that all predictions and guesstimates were terribly wrong.

You want there to be no mitigation? No plan? Just let people take care of themselves? That's TRUMP and it's been a nightmare. What we really need is a FEDERAL plan that every state has to follow and it does start with a new lockdown to contain the virus so that after 4-6 weeks the infection rate nationally goes down enough to use contact tracing so when there is a cluster of new cases the contract tracing can alert those around the outbreak and can get tested and quarantine. Anything less than that won't work...look at the hell the country is in now.

 

[jakiejakester]

Gilead Sciences is not a conspiracy theory. It is a drug manufacturer who sells an extremely high priced drug regimen which promises to be a preventative cure for COVID-19. It has never proven to be any such thing. Fauci promotes it while discrediting a drug proven to be effective, and that makes him a crook. At more than $4,000 a person, with the US government picking up the tab, Gilead Sciences stands to make $Billions in profits in a very short period of time. Do not fall for that highway robbery quackery.

Gilead makes Remdesivir which is one of only two known therapeutics that are helping Covid-19 patients recover faster. You've never heard of Remdesivir? More importantly to your conspiracy theory BS is that Dr. Fauci will make money on it. You've not shown one iota of proof of that, nothing.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31022-9/fulltext

 

[marke]

Gilead makes Remdesivir which is one of only two known therapeutics that are helping Covid-19 patients recover faster. You've never heard of Remdesivir? More importantly to your conspiracy theory BS is that Dr. Fauci will make money on it. You've not shown one iota of proof of that, nothing.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31022-9/fulltext

The jury is still out on the two drugs.

Head to Head: Is Chloroquine or Remdesivir the Drug to Treat Coronavirus? | The National Interest

Remdesivir, a drug developed by Gilead Sciences, has been shown to work in monkeys, but it flopped in the first trial for treating humans with COVID-19.