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Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

HennyBogan said:
How many successful vaccines for any type of coronavirus ( for humans) have there ever been? A big fat zero.
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Some coronaviruses have never gotten a vaccine.:roll:
 
snakestretcher said:
Or idiots crowding into bars and onto beaches, pool parties, Covid parties, Trump rallies, for example?
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Yes. Or protesting idiots. Or those who swore the idiotic protestors didn't spread the virus.
 
cabse5 said:
In many cases protestors are holding hands. Or painting things. Or holding bricks, for example.
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Hippies gonna lick them fingers, especially after finding a hole where the sun don't shine.
 
cabse5 said:
Ask any epidemiologist what the goal of social distancing is. Saving lives is coincidental to saving hospital resources in a social distancing atmosphere because, every time there has been a decision to be made between saving lives and saving hospital resources and only one of those decisions can be made, social distancing has chosen saving hospital resources.

It isn't even appropriate to determine if social distancing is doing a good job by examining the number of deaths. Social distancing doesn't care as much about saving lives.
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How does social distancing save hospital resources? By reducing the spread and lowering new cases. Isn't that also saving lives? People who do not contract Covid 19 do not die from it. As usual you make zero sense.
 
RAMOSS said:
I also noted it was updated 'july 2'.
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Frankly, it's been a real struggle to get any reliable data on a regular basis out here. The Pima County site, though not updated regularly, is the best I can come by.

Anecdotally, I had a client in yesterday that works for one of the major state medical providers and she told me they just set up 300 more COVID beds in the county. They don't anticipate needing them but it's a "better safe than sorry" deal. Maricopa County, the Phoenix area, is where things have been getting crazy. Interestingly enough, that's also where most of the protesting was happening.

It's interesting that hospitalizations and deaths are an "M" shaped curve while the "cases" curve is definitely more bell shaped. I'm not sure what that's an indication of.
 
cabse5 said:
Ask any epidemiologist what the goal of social distancing is. Saving lives is coincidental to saving hospital resources in a social distancing atmosphere because, every time there has been a decision to be made between saving lives and saving hospital resources and only one of those decisions can be made, social distancing has chosen saving hospital resources.

It isn't even appropriate to determine if social distancing is doing a good job by examining the number of deaths. Social distancing doesn't care as much about saving lives.
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That comment explains why rightwing governed states did not learn, did not prepare and went headlong into the disaster they are now in.
 
cabse5 said:
You think wearing a mask is the magic pill.:lamo
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And you think doing nothing is being smart no matter how big a disaster it causes. This is what I mean by calling the Cult of Donnie Dirtbag a cult of failure at its rotten root.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yep, something less than 1% of those infected will succumb. Life goes on, and the planet is still over populated with humans.
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As I pointed out to someone else in your Cult of Failure (or was it you and you're reposting the same garbage) that means you're fine with this virus killing over 3 million people in this country. Of course, your ilk will continue lying about who and what your are by claiming to be "pro-life." Your hypocrisy is fathomless.
 
Lutherf said:
There is a Walgreens on the corner near my house that has been turned into a testing center. At a quarter past 7 this morning the line of cars was at least half a mile.

The spike here in Tucson is a little hard to follow because good data isn't readily available and isn't updated regularly but the latest information I have shows that the number of cases peaked the week of 6/14-6/20 at right around 2000. The next week was 1700 cases and last week was 170. Hospitalizations peaked across all age groups between 5/31 and 6/13 but last week we had just one Covid hospitalization. The week before was 16 and during the peak we were around 60.
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Wow, you couldn't be more poorly informed about what's happening in AZ. Even at this point today AZ is already reporting over 2500 new cases and 86 new deaths. We just passed a woman walking her dogs whose son and family have fled here to OR to get away from the carnage. It was all I could do to refrain from saying I just hope they didn't bring the virus with them but I can certainly sympathize with their decision.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Why do Trump supporters keep posting this bull****?

They are literally the only one I see promoting this straw man.

Are you just glad to have an argument you can win?
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I will not stop posting just how bias and ignorant our media is if they think that social distancing does not apply to protesters. My area has been open for weeks now with no rise in cases but watch what happens now that these idiot protesters spread the disease what happens. The facts will be apparent and undeniable except to those who refuse to see.
 
Moderate Right said:
But but but you guys are claiming New York State and Andrew Cuomo are doing so well. They are doing so well due to herd immunity.
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I don't know about that. Is it possible that when the number of people positive/carrying the virus goes way down, there is less community spread?

When you have 5,000 people with Covid in NYC, they are going to infect more people than when there are 500 people with Covid. Just makes sense. You imply there are less cases because of herd immunity, but it could be that precautions and better contact tracing and quarantine measures brought the numbers down, too. No matter how clever a virus, if it has no one to infect, it cannot reproduce and will eventually die.
 
cabse5 said:
Are you referring to a reverse quarantine having to be in every country for a reverse quarantine to work? If so, why would a reverse quarantine have to be in every country for a reverse quarantine to work?

You aren't aware of Trump's nationalism?
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We cannot stop millions of people from entering our country illegally. How do you suppose we isolate ourselves from the rest of the world until their is a cure or they no longer have the virus. People can enter legally with no symptoms and reinfect our society on a daily basis. Then we have all the people intentionally spreading it here because they believe that social distancing is not needed when protesting, at rallies, or any other nonsense that supports the corrupt agenda of both parties. Then you have the people having parties since they do not have to go to work or school. We don't even have the ability to test enough people to even attempt such a venture even if all the idiots in this country worked with the program instead of against it. If the republicans are for it all the democrats will do everything in their power to sabotage any hope of success and vice versa.
 
digitusmedius said:
Wow, you couldn't be more poorly informed about what's happening in AZ. Even at this point today AZ is already reporting over 2500 new cases and 86 new deaths. We just passed a woman walking her dogs whose son and family have fled here to OR to get away from the carnage. It was all I could do to refrain from saying I just hope they didn't bring the virus with them but I can certainly sympathize with their decision.
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Wasn't the poster talking about Tucson, though, not the whole state?
 
cabse5 said:
Ask any epidemiologist what the goal of social distancing is. Saving lives is coincidental to saving hospital resources in a social distancing atmosphere because, every time there has been a decision to be made between saving lives and saving hospital resources and only one of those decisions can be made, social distancing has chosen saving hospital resources.

It isn't even appropriate to determine if social distancing is doing a good job by examining the number of deaths. Social distancing doesn't care as much about saving lives.
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Savings lives and saving hospital resources are effectively the same thing.
 
cabse5 said:
NY did what the CDC/WHO recommended after only a few months of world Covid data. Social distancing is what isn't effective to handle the virus.
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Social distancing has nothing, directly, to do with the OP. It was a post on the potential for herd immunity in some neighborhoods because a huge number of people, 60+% tested positive and that that was the cause of NYs covid rate decreasing.

The OP post has a number of serious problems not least of which are accuracy of the data l, the fact that the positive test rates varied widely and most were far less than 60% and any herd immunity would effect new outbreaks and not the only currently in progress.
 
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