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[Fledermaus]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

I don't lie.

That too would be a lie.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

ok so you dont know the difference between a car and a plane. noted.

What a typically stupid answer. When you've discovered the laws of physics get back to me.

 

[KokomoJojo]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

What a typically stupid answer. When you've discovered the laws of physics get back to me.

What laws of physics do you think I need to discover?

That a car is not a plane? I thought that went without explanation.

 

[KokomoJojo]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

TRANSLATION: Has no evidence. None. Zero.

Cannot explain the tons (literally) of evidence showing Flight77 and only Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

and when do we get to see all those tons or they too heavy for your mouse to lift the link onto the net?

 

[NWO_Spook]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

What laws of physics do you think I need to discover?

That a car is not a plane? I thought that went without explanation.

Obviously, but I'm not stupid enough to interpret it in such a moronic fashion. Try thinking for a moment, for the laws of physics would explain it all for you.

 

[KokomoJojo]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

Obviously, but I'm not stupid enough to interpret it in such a moronic fashion. Try thinking for a moment, for the laws of physics would explain it all for you.

what moronic fashion is that? Planes fly in the air and cars roll on the ground, not a really difficult concept I should think.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

what moronic fashion is that? Planes fly in the air and cars roll on the ground, not a really difficult concept I should think.

You're trolling again. Do go away and take your stupidity with you, there's a good chap.

 

[KokomoJojo]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

You're trolling again. Do go away and take your stupidity with you, there's a good chap.

you made the claim, either support it or concede or we will have no choice but to watch you take all that stupidity back with you, along with the troll badge of honor. Then again maybe you think calling someone a troll gives you a free pass from supporting the crazy nonsense claims you post.

 

[Quag]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

I don't lie.

:lamo

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

Obviously, but I'm not stupid enough to interpret it in such a moronic fashion. Try thinking for a moment, for the laws of physics would explain it all for you.

I suspect he does more thinking in 5 minutes than you do in a typical day. eace

Judging from your posts here.....

 

[Scott]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

The kind of sophistry the pro-official version posters are using here will only sway a few viewers who haven't seen the info that refutes the arguments made in post #1. The discussions going on here are mainly going to be one of those classic wars in which the truthers are posting the proof of an inside job and the sophists are trying to bury it to reduce the number of people who see it with hand-waving* and emotional posts. We truthers have to keep posting it to thwart them. Here the link to it again so that it doesn't get buried.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...itting-pentagon-w-62-a-12.html#post1063276591

There's more info here that explains the bigger picture.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/191811-truth-and-lying.html#post1063187333


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Hand Waving
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/191811-truth-and-lying.html#post1063187333
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[Quag]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

I suspect he does more thinking in 5 minutes than you do in a typical day. eace

Judging from your posts here.....

:lamo

 

[KokomoJojo]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

The kind of sophistry the pro-official version posters are using here will only sway a few viewers who haven't seen the info that refutes the arguments made in post #1. The discussions going on here are mainly going to be one of those classic wars in which the truthers are posting the proof of an inside job and the sophists are trying to bury it to reduce the number of people who see it with hand-waving* and emotional posts. We truthers have to keep posting it to thwart them. Here the link to it again so that it doesn't get buried.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...itting-pentagon-w-62-a-12.html#post1063276591

There's more info here that explains the bigger picture.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/191811-truth-and-lying.html#post1063187333


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Hand Waving
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/191811-truth-and-lying.html#post1063187333
Define handwaving | Dictionary and Thesaurus

Hand waving was always the way my physics professors would discuss 'cutting out' some fairly complicated, not-really-relevant-to-the-discussion mathematics during lectures. "If we wave our hands over the chalkboard, we get the following..." -- ChadThompson

traditionally, this is how some physics professors deal with fairly complicated, extremely-relevant-to-the-discussion mathematics as well

[I actually had a calculus instructor who would use this technique for cutting out long winded and boring proofs. Sadly, he sometimes also cut out vital and impenetrable proofs, leaving his students in the dark. A buddy of mine joked that when he was solving heavy math on the job and he'd get to one of these kinds of problems he would tell his boss that he'd been trained to wave his hands.]

That is ****ing hilarious because it actually happened to me, where after an argument about it I waltzed directly into the deans office and had a nice chat. The quality of that class went from night to day in a new york second!

 

[psikeyhackr]

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SEATS!

The airliner should have had at least 180 of them, built in sets of three.

Seen any photographs of airliner seats?

psik

 

[Sunzi]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.


Explain the debris consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

Explain the RADAR tracking consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

Explain the landing gear consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

Explain the wheel consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

Explain the engine consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

Explain the DNA consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

Explain the luggage and personal effects consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

Explain the damage to the building and building facade consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

Explain the EYEWITNESS reports on the ground consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

Explain the PHONE CALLS that ENDED with impact consistent with Flight 77 on the scene.

911 truth never will explain the DNA, FDR, and RADAR. They will hand wave the evidence repeat lies from 911 truth, and declare victory by doing nothing. The fact they can't post their fantasies anywhere but in the fantasy section of the forum, Conspiracy Theories, does not register in the paranoid minds.

Hand waving RADAR as fake, and yet they most likely fly using RADAR to keep them safe. Not a single 911 truth follower has written up RADAR as fake, and notify the FAA the system is corrupt, and it is not safe to fly. 911 truth has no evidence, they make up lies and use the lies as evidence.

RADAR proof of 77 debunks 911 truth's alternate theories, and the 911 truth true believers can't grasp reality.

Are 911 truth followers to lazy to get the raw RADAR data and do an analysis?


Why can't they take the FDR and compare it to RADAR and learn?

 

[KokomoJojo]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

911 truth never will explain the DNA, FDR, and RADAR. They will hand wave the evidence repeat lies from 911 truth, and declare victory by doing nothing. The fact they can't post their fantasies anywhere but in the fantasy section of the forum, Conspiracy Theories, does not register in the paranoid minds.

Hand waving RADAR as fake, and yet they most likely fly using RADAR to keep them safe. Not a single 911 truth follower has written up RADAR as fake, and notify the FAA the system is corrupt, and it is not safe to fly. 911 truth has no evidence, they make up lies and use the lies as evidence.

RADAR proof of 77 debunks 911 truth's alternate theories, and the 911 truth true believers can't grasp reality.

until you prove its not, do you have any idea how easy it is in this computer world to fake virtually anything. you dont show any proof and you expect everyone to simply follow along when anything could have been manufactured over a period of 13 years LOL Please!

 

[Scott]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

Hand waving RADAR as fake, and yet they most likely fly using RADAR to keep them safe. Not a single 911 truth follower has written up RADAR as fake, and notify the FAA the system is corrupt, and it is not safe to fly. 911 truth has no evidence, they make up lies and use the lies as evidence.

The radar issue is dealt with at the 0.16:12 time mark of this video.

September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL) - YouTube

You can find the time mark of a specific issue in that video on this list.
Luogocomune - Sezioni

 

[Sunzi]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

The radar issue is dealt with at the 0.16:12 time mark of this video.

September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL) - YouTube

You can find the time mark of a specific issue in that video on this list.
Luogocomune - Sezioni

You don't understand RADAR, RADAR proves 77 hit the Pentagon, I showed the plot of raw RADAR data. The video has no clue what Hijack procedures are, and thus the video is full of BS. The video fools people who are gullible, and have major ignorance in areas required to understand 911.

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc02.pdf

RADAR proof of 77 hitting the Pentagon. The cool part is you can ask for all the RADAR data and see for yourself; why can't you do it? 911 truth repeats lies, and make up nonsense about hijack procedures, RADAR and more.

Why do 911 truth followers ignore witnesses who saw 77 hit the Pentagon?

You show a dirt dumb video as proof of what? Can't you take a point and prove it? No, you have no evidence, you have a video of failed claims.

 

[KokomoJojo]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

You don't understand

no you dont understand, you can hand that guy any damn FDR one from your FDR collection with any data you want to put on it. Just like the voting boxes now day that only take 10 seconds to hack into. LOL

 

[mike2810]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

It is so funny to see after all these years for those who believe flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon have nothing of substance to offer on what it was.

They always say prove it was flight 77. Yet, they are unwilling to prove any of the alternatives floating around.

You can believe the official story is incorrect. Still waiting for the alternative crowd to prove what they believe happened.
and not answer with well the govt did it.

 

[Scott]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

Why do 911 truth followers ignore witnesses who saw 77 hit the Pentagon?

Anyone who looks at the complete witness list...
Witness List Broken Down - Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum

...can see that there are also witnesses who say a much smaller craft hit the Pentagon. This is consistent with there having been planted fake witnesses in the traffic near the Pentagon. In a plan this size the idea of planted witnesses shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

The mathematical proof in the fifth picture from the top of this page...
Flight 77 3d sim test

...shows that whatever is behind the box in this picture...
Flight 77 3d sim test

...which the government claims is a 757, is too short to be a 757. It would not fit in the space behind the box. This closes the whole case by itself. What we read about radar might not reflect what actually happened as the person who wrote it might have been lying.



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At the 2:13:26 time mark of this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

...there's a good analysis of the footage made public of the craft hitting the Pentagon.

 

[Sunzi]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

no you dont understand, you can hand that guy any damn FDR one from your FDR collection with any data you want to put on it. Just like the voting boxes now day that only take 10 seconds to hack into. LOL

That is funny; I have investigated aircraft accidents, I have ordered RADAR data for aircraft mishaps. You are telling me I don't understand, yet you most likely fly aircraft, and you are kept safe by RADAR, which now you claim is faked;
Have you notified the FBI RADAR can be faked?
Have you notified the FAA RADAR from 911 is fake?
No
60 Minutes said? Oh, you have not told 60 Minutes there is this big story of fake data?

No evidence from 911 truth = no action by 911 truth - only fooling a fringe few, and people like the Boston Bombers. Why are some people so gullible, claim the government lies about 911, and falling for the dumbest lies in history, lies from 911 truth?


The FDR matches RADAR from multiple sites. FDR matches exactly where the aircraft was for several flight, 24 hours of data; which matches RADAR and witnesses, and airline times for departure and arrival at several airports.

If you have evidence present it. You don't have anything except lies, false claims, and an incomplete fantasy. You say RADAR is fake, putting hundreds of people in on the fantasy inside job plot you can't define, explain, or back with evidence. Now you will say I can't prove anything because you have a fantasy that all the data is fake, as you ignore DNA, FDR, and RADAR.

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc02.pdf
Anyone can ask for the raw data and plot it themselves? Have you done that yet? To say RADAR is fake is your fantasy, and you can't prove it.

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/AAL77_fdr.pdf
Why can't 911 truth explain how the FDR was fake, it was found in the Pentagon. It has the exact flight for 77, for 24 hours, and it matches the RADAR. FDR found where all the DNA for Flight 77 passengers was found.

911 truth has no idea how FDR data is extracted, so 911 truth can't explain how it was faked. You post photos of breakaway lamppost and say they are not; why do you spread false information?

911 truth has no evidence. 911 truth ignores evidence.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

Anyone who looks at the complete witness list...
Witness List Broken Down - Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum

...can see that there are also witnesses who say a much smaller craft hit the Pentagon. This is consistent with there having been planted fake witnesses in the traffic near the Pentagon. In a plan this size the idea of planted witnesses shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

The mathematical proof in the fifth picture from the top of this page...
Flight 77 3d sim test

...shows that whatever is behind the box in this picture...
Flight 77 3d sim test

...which the government claims is a 757, is too short to be a 757. It would not fit in the space behind the box. This closes the whole case by itself. What we read about radar might not reflect what actually happened as the person who wrote it might have been lying.



added 10 minutes later.
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At the 2:13:26 time mark of this video...
September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL) - YouTube

...there's a good analysis of the footage made public of the craft hitting the Pentagon.

SO...
More VIDEO SPAM.
More "evidence was planted" stupidity.

THIS gem is incredible:

...can see that there are also witnesses who say a much smaller craft hit the Pentagon. This is consistent with there having been planted fake witnesses in the traffic near the Pentagon. In a plan this size the idea of planted witnesses shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Now the WITNESSES are "planted"?

You have GOT to be kidding.

And NOTHING even remotely showing EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.

CLUE: Quit trying (unsuccessfully) to "prove" the "official report" wrong and try proving YOUR claims something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

 

[Scott]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

SO...
More VIDEO SPAM.
More "evidence was planted" stupidity.

THIS gem is incredible:

...can see that there are also witnesses who say a much smaller craft hit the Pentagon. This is consistent with there having been planted fake witnesses in the traffic near the Pentagon. In a plan this size the idea of planted witnesses shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Now the WITNESSES are "planted"?

You have GOT to be kidding.

And NOTHING even remotely showing EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.

CLUE: Quit trying (unsuccessfully) to "prove" the "official report" wrong and try proving YOUR claims something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

The above is a classic example of "Handwaving" (see post #136).

(post #136)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...itting-pentagon-w-62-a-14.html#post1063280238

He didn't address a single point. He laughed at them and tap danced around them without addressing them. This is what professional sophists do when they're cornered.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Henry David's EVIDENCE of something other than Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon [W:

SEATS!

The airliner should have had at least 180 of them, built in sets of three.

Seen any photographs of airliner seats?

psik

While searching through wreckage inside the building, firefighters Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz "spotted an intact seat from the plane's cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached." Burkhammer also "spotted lime-green pieces from the interior of the plane" within the building.

Sorry, no YouTube