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Helping Iranians create a post Islamic Republic regime.

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The Islamic Republic of Iran has been a source of great instability and conflict, not just in the Middle East, but around the world. They have been the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

In the meanwhile, there is every evidence that this regime is deeply unpopular with its own people there. There have been repeated large protests all over the country, which has only been able to be put down with brutal and violent repression.

The time may be ripe for this rotten fruit to fall. The US is understandably wary of intervention- after poor consequences to prior interventions in the past, both in Iran, Iraq, and many other developing nations around the world. But this may not be a matter of forcing anything down another country‘s throat. It may be just a matter of creating coalitions to get rid of a handful of brutal dictators.

“Due to the war, the "Iranian regime have lost their control to suppress people, because a lot the leadership of IRGC [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps] have been killed," she said. "Now the power of suppression are weakening inside Iran, so it can lead people to come street again."

But Fattahi told CBS News that Iranians do not want Israel, or the U.S., to engineer regime change in Tehran. She said that while American airstrikes might help further weaken the government, Iranians want to topple their leaders — and decide who replaces them — on their own.

"We do not want their boots on the ground, obviously," she said. "We don't want [a] made-up state."

“"Don't compromise with the regime, because they are killing people," she said. "World would be a better place without the Iranian regime, for all of us."

She said Iranians, with enough support from the international community, are ready and willing to build their own new government, and "we want a democratic Iran. We want a secular Iran."”

This looks like a win-win situation for all, except a handful of brutal mullahs. I hope this perspective is being considered in Washington.
 
The Islamic Republic of Iran has been a source of great instability and conflict, not just in the Middle East, but around the world. They have been the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

In the meanwhile, there is every evidence that this regime is deeply unpopular with its own people there. There have been repeated large protests all over the country, which has only been able to be put down with brutal and violent repression.

The time may be ripe for this rotten fruit to fall. The US is understandably wary of intervention- after poor consequences to prior interventions in the past, both in Iran, Iraq, and many other developing nations around the world. But this may not be a matter of forcing anything down another country‘s throat. It may be just a matter of creating coalitions to get rid of a handful of brutal dictators.

“Due to the war, the "Iranian regime have lost their control to suppress people, because a lot the leadership of IRGC [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps] have been killed," she said. "Now the power of suppression are weakening inside Iran, so it can lead people to come street again."

But Fattahi told CBS News that Iranians do not want Israel, or the U.S., to engineer regime change in Tehran. She said that while American airstrikes might help further weaken the government, Iranians want to topple their leaders — and decide who replaces them — on their own.

"We do not want their boots on the ground, obviously," she said. "We don't want [a] made-up state."

“"Don't compromise with the regime, because they are killing people," she said. "World would be a better place without the Iranian regime, for all of us."

She said Iranians, with enough support from the international community, are ready and willing to build their own new government, and "we want a democratic Iran. We want a secular Iran."”

This looks like a win-win situation for all, except a handful of brutal mullahs. I hope this perspective is being considered in Washington.
Lol. “Trust us guys just one more invasion they’ll totally greet us as liberators and not start killing our soldiers for decades this time guys just one more invasion come on” 🙄😂

What makes you think the Iranians want to align with the country waging a war of aggression against them to help Israel?

What “exiles” want and what the people of the country want are often two immensely different things, as Cuba shows extremely clearly.
 
The Islamic Republic of Iran has been a source of great instability and conflict, not just in the Middle East, but around the world. They have been the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

In the meanwhile, there is every evidence that this regime is deeply unpopular with its own people there. There have been repeated large protests all over the country, which has only been able to be put down with brutal and violent repression.

The time may be ripe for this rotten fruit to fall. The US is understandably wary of intervention- after poor consequences to prior interventions in the past, both in Iran, Iraq, and many other developing nations around the world. But this may not be a matter of forcing anything down another country‘s throat. It may be just a matter of creating coalitions to get rid of a handful of brutal dictators.

“Due to the war, the "Iranian regime have lost their control to suppress people, because a lot the leadership of IRGC [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps] have been killed," she said. "Now the power of suppression are weakening inside Iran, so it can lead people to come street again."

But Fattahi told CBS News that Iranians do not want Israel, or the U.S., to engineer regime change in Tehran. She said that while American airstrikes might help further weaken the government, Iranians want to topple their leaders — and decide who replaces them — on their own.

"We do not want their boots on the ground, obviously," she said. "We don't want [a] made-up state."

“"Don't compromise with the regime, because they are killing people," she said. "World would be a better place without the Iranian regime, for all of us."

She said Iranians, with enough support from the international community, are ready and willing to build their own new government, and "we want a democratic Iran. We want a secular Iran."”

This looks like a win-win situation for all, except a handful of brutal mullahs. I hope this perspective is being considered in Washington.
It’s not clear to me that Iranians don’t want an Islamic theocracy.
 
Lol. “Trust us guys just one more invasion they’ll totally greet us as liberators and not start killing our soldiers for decades this time guys just one more invasion come on” 🙄😂

What makes you think the Iranians want to align with the country waging a war of aggression against them to help Israel?

What “exiles” want and what the people of the country want are often two immensely different things, as Cuba shows extremely clearly.
It’s not clear to me that Iranians don’t want an Islamic theocracy.




 
They’ll totally greet us as liberators this time guys. They definitely want a secular western democracy.
 
Is this a change in mindset over the past few decades?
Yes, seems that way.
They wanted this theocracy in the first place so I am wondering what has changed.
Same reasons Americans change their mind about presidential administrations. You try something, it doesn't work, you learn, you try something different and see how that works out. Rinse and repeat. That's how politics works.

It seems they are ready for something different. Seems like a situation ripe for a win-win deal for most Iranians as well as the rest of the world.
 
They’ll totally greet us as liberators this time guys. They definitely want a secular western democracy.

If done carefully and with consideration, it's doable.
 
Yes, seems that way.

Same reasons Americans change their mind about presidential administrations. You try something, it doesn't work, you learn, you try something different and see how that works out. Rinse and repeat. That's how politics works.

It seems they are ready for something different. Seems like a situation ripe for a win-win deal for most Iranians as well as the rest of the world.

Yeah, every time Americans want a change in presidents, we completely overthrow the constitution and create a new form of government. It’s definitely comparable.
 
Yeah, every time Americans want a change in presidents, we completely overthrow the constitution and create a new form of government. It’s definitely comparable.

Well yeah- but that's only because we have managed to maintain a democracy where people can change their minds, and do it peacefully- so far. They don't have that- so it takes extraordinary measures when they change their minds.

It doesn't mean they can't, or don't change their minds.
 
Really? When has it ever worked?

The US has been able to successfully support the installation of democratic governments in W. Germany, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Eastern Europe, Panama, etc...

It hasn't been THAT bad.
 
The Islamic Republic of Iran has been a source of great instability and conflict, not just in the Middle East, but around the world. They have been the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

In the meanwhile, there is every evidence that this regime is deeply unpopular with its own people there. There have been repeated large protests all over the country, which has only been able to be put down with brutal and violent repression.

The time may be ripe for this rotten fruit to fall. The US is understandably wary of intervention- after poor consequences to prior interventions in the past, both in Iran, Iraq, and many other developing nations around the world. But this may not be a matter of forcing anything down another country‘s throat. It may be just a matter of creating coalitions to get rid of a handful of brutal dictators.

“Due to the war, the "Iranian regime have lost their control to suppress people, because a lot the leadership of IRGC [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps] have been killed," she said. "Now the power of suppression are weakening inside Iran, so it can lead people to come street again."

But Fattahi told CBS News that Iranians do not want Israel, or the U.S., to engineer regime change in Tehran. She said that while American airstrikes might help further weaken the government, Iranians want to topple their leaders — and decide who replaces them — on their own.

"We do not want their boots on the ground, obviously," she said. "We don't want [a] made-up state."

“"Don't compromise with the regime, because they are killing people," she said. "World would be a better place without the Iranian regime, for all of us."

She said Iranians, with enough support from the international community, are ready and willing to build their own new government, and "we want a democratic Iran. We want a secular Iran."”

This looks like a win-win situation for all, except a handful of brutal mullahs. I hope this perspective is being considered in Washington.
Makes sense. I agree with nearly all of that. In regard to Iraq, I think the votes are still out. What they have now, while far from perfect is much better then under the Saddam regime, time and objective historians will decide if the fall of that regime was in the long run positive.
 
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The US has been able to successfully support the installation of democratic governments in W. Germany, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Eastern Europe, Panama, etc...

It hasn't been THAT bad.

So the US is going to occupy Iran in perpetuity like Germany, Japan, and South Korea?

The democracies in Taiwan and Eastern Europe were not created by the US.
 
Well yeah- but that's only because we have managed to maintain a democracy where people can change their minds, and do it peacefully- so far. They don't have that- so it takes extraordinary measures when they change their minds.

It doesn't mean they can't, or don't change their minds.

And if they still want an Islamist theocracy just one with different policies?

What happens when this results in a Shia version of ISIS?
 
And if they still want an Islamist theocracy just one with different policies?

What happens when this results in a Shia version of ISIS?

There's a lot of evidence that a half century of theocracy has turned them strongly against religion in general- and Islam in particular.

 




Literally your own article:

“But Fattahi told CBS News that Iranians do not want Israel, or the U.S., to engineer regime change in Tehran. She said that while American airstrikes might help further weaken the government, Iranians want to topple their leaders — and decide who replaces them — on their own.”
 
The US has been able to successfully support the installation of democratic governments in W. Germany, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Eastern Europe, Panama, etc...

It hasn't been THAT bad.
Uh....no, they didn’t. The governments in South Korea and Taiwan were brutal dictatorships; the countries in Eastern Europe emerged on their own, not as the result of anything the US did.

Noriega was a US ally that became inconvenient. The invasion was not due to any sort of American interest in “democracy”
 
Literally your own article:

“But Fattahi told CBS News that Iranians do not want Israel, or the U.S., to engineer regime change in Tehran. She said that while American airstrikes might help further weaken the government, Iranians want to topple their leaders — and decide who replaces them — on their own.”

That’s all I’m saying too.
 




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A survey made by an anti regime organization in Iran which likely excluded a significant part of the population in order to get the desired result


Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria

Regime change for the last 25 years has resulted in far worse outcomes for the world and the people whose Regime was changed
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The US has been able to successfully support the installation of democratic governments in00 W. Germany, Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Eastern Europe, Panama, etc...

It hasn't been THAT bad.
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As tigerace pointed out

Taiwan was a brutal dictatorship until the 1990

Sk didn't become a democracy until the late 80s which was against us government desires

Western Europe is the only area that counts.

Japan is really a managed democracy, one party has had power for nearly 70 years
 
Good plan to divert the hate of Iran’s people from Iran to Israel and the US. Nothing brings a nation closer together than a foreign attacker.
 
The Islamic Republic of Iran has been a source of great instability and conflict, not just in the Middle East, but around the world. They have been the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

I think the rogue state and the US have them beat by a large margin.

In the meanwhile, there is every evidence that this regime is deeply unpopular with its own people there. There have been repeated large protests all over the country, which has only been able to be put down with brutal and violent repression.

Did they nationalize their national guard, send in their military, shoot reporters (with rubber bullets for now), have the leader ask his military to shoot the protesters in the legs (with real bullets), deport anyone who says anything the government doesn't like, deport people who do nothing to an El Salvador monstrous prison, and so on?

The time may be ripe for this rotten fruit to fall. The US is understandably wary of intervention- after poor consequences to prior interventions in the past, both in Iran, Iraq, and many other developing nations around the world. But this may not be a matter of forcing anything down another country‘s throat. It may be just a matter of creating coalitions to get rid of a handful of brutal dictators.

You really don't understand. There is zero chance IMO of 'just helping the people of Iran to get a representative government' in my opinion. ANY US involvement in regime change WILL mean trying to install a corrupt government that serves the US and the rogue state - see Syria recently, see the history of the US installing the brutal and corrupt Shah in Iran which is why they had a revolution.

But Fattahi told CBS News that Iranians do not want Israel, or the U.S., to engineer regime change in Tehran. She said that while American airstrikes might help further weaken the government, Iranians want to topple their leaders — and decide who replaces them — on their own.

Guess who is against that?
 
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