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It is my personal opinion that abortion, or murder in the womb as I call it is the most barbaric act one human being can perpetrate on another except when the mothers life is endangered or possibly in cases of rape and incest.......

I am in the twilight of my years now but I hope that before I kick the bucket I will see this horrific flawed determination Roe V Wade overturned by the SCOTUS.......

I am very encouraged that President Bush is nominating conservative people for the Supreme Court and am hopeful that will happen.........

May God bless the over 40,000,000 babies that have been murdered in the womb since Roe V Wade was enacted in 1972..........
 
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Another guy that likes to call people Liars. Understand I am expressing an opinion based on facts that I have found. So I am not a liar. Sir you say in your profile Personal Responsibility: 75% If that is true Why then do you ignor the personal responsibility of the couple who decided to have sex knowing pregancy is a possibility. Then gets pregnant and will not accept personal responsibility? You sir are the one being misleading.
 
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Calm2Chaos said:
You don't find it supremely pathetic to try and associate this stupid saying of pro-abortion to pro-choice. You see no distinction between the two? If I am pro-choice that does not make me pro-abortion. If you think that then your utterly and totaly completely wrong. Thus making everything you say suspect to intelligence or lack of

If you are pro Choice why do you object to being called Pro Abortion? Please include your definition of abortion in your answer. Simply said.

YOU CAN NOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. GET A BACK BONE AND DECIDE.

I AM PROUDLY PRO LIFE and everyone knows where I stand so you do not have to suspect anything. But you. I guess we have to suspect because you do not know what side your on.
 

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Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:
If you are pro Choice why do you object to being called Pro Abortion? Please include your definition of abortion in your answer. Simply said.
Easily answered. Pro choice means that you accept either having the baby or not having it. Pro abortion would mean that you would choose to abort every baby that came along. Saying the two are the same is like saying terrorists and the miltary are the same.
 

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It is easy to explain........Pro choice does not sound as bad as pro abortion but the fact remains both want to kill innocent babies in the womb.........
 
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Easily answered. Pro choice means that you accept either having the baby or not having it. Pro abortion would mean that you would choose to abort every baby that came along. Saying the two are the same is like saying terrorists and the miltary are the same.

HMM You Say "Pro choice means that you accept either having the baby or not having it."

Well accept having a Baby Yes That is OK Then you say "or not having it"

My pet peave First you refer to a Baby as A baby. Then magically the Baby becomes an "it" When the person want to abort or kill the baby.

Then you say "Pro abortion would mean that you would choose to abort every baby that came along."

No it means you favor abortion, so much so you want to keep it legal.

Pro Choice Same as Pro abortion meaning. I notice you did not define abortion. Open your eyes abortion is the killing of another human being.
 
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Navy Pride said:
It is easy to explain........Pro choice does not sound as bad as pro abortion but the fact remains both want to kill innocent babies in the womb.........

Yes sir I could not agree with you more. Note former Navy EN2 type, USS William C. Lawe DD763, US Naval School of Diving & Salvage DC Naval Yard, USS Emory S. Land AS 39.
 

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Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:
Yes sir I could not agree with you more. Note former Navy EN2 type, USS William C. Lawe DD763, US Naval School of Diving & Salvage DC Naval Yard, USS Emory S. Land AS 39.


Thank you for your service my friend............Don't let the liberals get to you........Looking forward to your input........:cheers:

Oh and I was on ships that operated with the Lawe many times......
 

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Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:
No it means you favor abortion, so much so you want to keep it legal.

Pro Choice Same as Pro abortion meaning. I notice you did not define abortion. Open your eyes abortion is the killing of another human being.

Clarification:
Pro choice....is not Pro Abortion....period


I can not see my self considering an abortion under virtually any circumstances, short of the aforemention Rape scenario (in which case I would likely be in prison for manslaughter anyway). And yet I just do not feel it is my responsibility, let alone my right to TELL someone else to live my ethical standards in this situation.

I am Firmly against abortion personally.

I am Firmly against forcing my will on another, barring detriment to society.


If You Guys Cant Understand That People Can Be Both....it does not say much for your imagination.
 

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Clarification:
Pro choice....is not Pro Abortion....period


I can not see my self considering an abortion under virtually any circumstances, short of the aforemention Rape scenario (in which case I would likely be in prison for manslaughter anyway). And yet I just do not feel it is my responsibility, let alone my right to TELL someone else to live my ethical standards in this situation.

I am Firmly against abortion personally.

I am Firmly against forcing my will on another, barring detriment to society.


If You Guys Cant Understand That People Can Be Both....it does not say much for your imagination.

Your trying to have it both ways my friend and you can't........When a woman has and abortion she is not the only one involved......You have a lot of compassion for the woman but where is your compassion for the baby she is carrying............The only answer I ever get from liberals is its her body and she can do what she wants with it........They also say its not a baby but just a glob of cells....What if their wrong as a lot of us believe that life begins at conception? If we are wrong its no big deal.....The only thing destroyed is a glob of cells.........If they are wrong then its murder and there have been over 40,000,000 murders since Roe V Wade was enacted in 1972...How can they possibly take that chance?
 

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Navy Pride said:
Your trying to have it both ways my friend and you can't........When a woman has and abortion she is not the only one involved......You have a lot of compassion for the woman but where is your compassion for the baby she is carrying............The only answer I ever get from liberals is its her body and she can do what she wants with it........They also say its not a baby but just a glob of cells....What if their wrong as a lot of us believe that life begins at conception? If we are wrong its no big deal.....The only thing destroyed is a glob of cells.........If they are wrong then its murder and there have been over 40,000,000 murders since Roe V Wade was enacted in 1972...How can they possibly take that chance?


Actually Navy....yes...I can have it both ways, and I do. You will not understand my opinion in this, and that is OK. I respect your opinion, as well as understand it. Telling me I cannot have it both ways, when in fact I not only CAN....but DO....simply makes you claim rather assenine.

Sorry....I dont appreciate someone telling me what I can believe, perhaps this has some bearing on my stance in the issue.
 

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tecoyah said:
Actually Navy....yes...I can have it both ways, and I do. You will not understand my opinion in this, and that is OK. I respect your opinion, as well as understand it. Telling me I cannot have it both ways, when in fact I not only CAN....but DO....simply makes you claim rather assenine.

Sorry....I dont appreciate someone telling me what I can believe, perhaps this has some bearing on my stance in the issue.

You did not answer my question though.... What if your wrong and every time and abortion takes place a murder happens?
 

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Navy Pride said:
You did not answer my question though.... What if your wrong and every time and abortion takes place a murder happens?

Then someone will be murdered....as would seem obvious to me. Until this is the case in my mind, and in the eyes of the society I live in....why do I need to become involved?

What if YOU are wrong....and someone is forced to do something detrimental to themselves....simply because you said so?
 

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Then someone will be murdered....as would seem obvious to me. Until this is the case in my mind, and in the eyes of the society I live in....why do I need to become involved?

What if YOU are wrong....and someone is forced to do something detrimental to themselves....simply because you said so?

I have always said that if the health of the mother is endangered then and abortion would be appropriate but it should not be used as a methof of birth control because she forgot to take the pill or did not use any other protection..........
 

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Which doesn't answer the question asked of you...
What if YOU are wrong and because of your insistence, someone is forced to do something detrimental?

Your 'stance' that abortion is wrong except in the case of the woman's health is no different than the stance that one can personally be against abortion at all and still be pro-choice. You're just pro-choice with conditions.
 

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Which doesn't answer the question asked of you...
What if YOU are wrong and because of your insistence, someone is forced to do something detrimental?

Your 'stance' that abortion is wrong except in the case of the woman's health is no different than the stance that one can personally be against abortion at all and still be pro-choice. You're just pro-choice with conditions.


If you believe that life begins at conception and that life is precious how can you be pro choice unless you just don't care......

If you believe that life begins at conception how can you say that a woman who made a bad choice and got pregnant should have the right to kill the life inside her? I know its her body but who speaks for the baby who can't speak for itself.......
 

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I have always said that if the health of the mother is endangered then and abortion would be appropriate but it should not be used as a methof of birth control because she forgot to take the pill or did not use any other protection..........

So your position is that abortion should be outlawed for all cases except for rape, "health concerns" etc... as a form of punishment for the woman?
 

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Navy Pride said:
If you believe that life begins at conception and that life is precious how can you be pro choice unless you just don't care......

If you believe that life begins at conception how can you say that a woman who made a bad choice and got pregnant should have the right to kill the life inside her? I know its her body but who speaks for the baby who can't speak for itself.......


You know....I really didnt want to Share my life with you but....might help. My wife and I have three children, we decided after two we would be content, but, as we are "Immoral" creatures, and rather enjoy sex (you might try it some time, could help remove the stick) we became pregnant again....AT NO TIME did we consider abortion, as it is not in the nature of either of us. Does this mean I am correct and the woman next door is required to do the same?....NO, it does not. If only because I have something you seem to be lacking.

Respect for the Rights of those who differ in opinion. When I am made God....perhaps things will be different....perhaps. Alas...I am Not worthy of deciding what everyone else should think.....


And Neither Are You
 

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OdgenTugbyGlub said:
So your position is that abortion should be outlawed for all cases except for rape, "health concerns" etc... as a form of punishment for the woman?

Exactly except you call it punishment I call it making a woman responsible for the decisions she makes..........If she does not want to get pregnant there are many precautions she can take to prevent it.......One sure fire way is to keep her legs crossed.........

My hope is Roe V Wade is overturned and abortion goes back to the individual state where it belongs........The federal government has no business being in the abortion business.......

Before you bring it up when it comes to rape and incest I would hope the mother would carry her baby to term but I can understand if she wanted to abort.................

The things you liberals forget is this is a life you are destroying........
 

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You know....I really didnt want to Share my life with you but....might help. My wife and I have three children, we decided after two we would be content, but, as we are "Immoral" creatures, and rather enjoy sex (you might try it some time, could help remove the stick) we became pregnant again....AT NO TIME did we consider abortion, as it is not in the nature of either of us. Does this mean I am correct and the woman next door is required to do the same?....NO, it does not. If only because I have something you seem to be lacking.

Respect for the Rights of those who differ in opinion. When I am made God....perhaps things will be different....perhaps. Alas...I am Not worthy of deciding what everyone else should think.....


And Neither Are You

A little more info then I needed but anyhow.......

Hmm, where did I say that it is wrong for a married couple to have sex? Where did I say that was immoral? I checked but I can't find it........

Again I ask you, who speaks for the baby in the womb? They can't speak for themselves......Someone has to do it.........I volunteer because as I have said I think murder in the womb is the most babaric act one human being can do to another...........

God Bless the 40,000,000 babies who were murdered in the womb since Roe V Wade was enacted in 1972.......May they be with God and rest in peace........
 

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Navy Pride said:
A little more info then I needed but anyhow.......

Hmm, where did I say that it is wrong for a married couple to have sex? Where did I say that was immoral? I checked but I can't find it........

Again I ask you, who speaks for the baby in the womb? They can't speak for themselves......Someone has to do it.........I volunteer because as I have said I think murder in the womb is the most babaric act one human being can do to another...........

God Bless the 40,000,000 babies who were murdered in the womb since Roe V Wade was enacted in 1972.......May they be with God and rest in peace........


.......................Nevermind...pointless debate as soon as God comes into it.............
 

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.......................Nevermind...pointless debate as soon as God comes into it.............


Well you see most Americans are God fearing people and believe he is everything......

Maybe that wasn't and appropriate comment on my last post but I get a little emotional when I think of all those needless murders in the womb....
 

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Just because you choose to ignore the facts (steen and company) doesn't mean an argument is devoid of them.

JP's story, although moderately incoherent and thickly coated in pro-life rhetoric, tries to adress the underlying paradoxes of why parental notification is required in virtually every situation involving minors; except abortion (in certain states and circumstances).

An abortion is a potentially deadly medical procedure and as such should not be openly accessable to minors without the consent of their legal guardians. If the law requires a plastic surgeon to recieve parental consent before giving little Susy her new breast implants, then the same should go for the abortionist who plans on sucking the life out of little Susy's uterus.

Medical ethics are universal and bi-passing parental notification in the case of abortion does not have the best interests of its patient in mind, on the contrary, its only concern is that of a political lobby i.e. the pro-choice movement, thus making it dangerous and immoral.

This has nothing to do with pro-life or pro-choice. It's about medical ethics.
 

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Exactly except you call it punishment I call it making a woman responsible for the decisions she makes..........If she does not want to get pregnant there are many precautions she can take to prevent it.......One sure fire way is to keep her legs crossed.........

So you run the risk of financially crippling a woman, causing her unknown problems in life, possibly putting the child into a government foster care program where he/she will likely get ignored or abused because the woman "couldn't keep her legs crossed"? Please, accidents happen buddy.
My hope is Roe V Wade is overturned and abortion goes back to the individual state where it belongs........The federal government has no business being in the abortion business.......

Before you bring it up when it comes to rape and incest I would hope the mother would carry her baby to term but I can understand if she wanted to abort.................

I don't see why you would want a child to be born to a mother who will most likely see the child as a reminder of he ordeal (and even if she tries it will undoubtably color her relationship with her offspring). The incest case is almost the same, but with the added high risk of the child having mental disabilities and potentially crippling medical costs.

The things you liberals forget is this is a life you are destroying........

I don't know who you are talking to here, but I'm not a liberal holmes. Besides, as I have said before this is an OPINION, not a fact. Late term abortions however I wholeheartedly agree. Ban em.

all bold/italic comments are mine.
 

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I work for the Right To Life in my State.

I talk to the opposing side all the time. You would be surprised how many do not know anything about abortion besides how to spell it and the definition.
We show them pictures, let them read facts about procedures and existing laws on the books. And most are sick to their stomachs when they see what really goes on.
That is simply lying claptrap. No pro-choice is unaware of the fetal porn that prolifers spew all over the place; nor are we unaware of the lying claims associated with them. Likewise, we are aware of abortions procedures. So this just sounds like yet another prolife lying argument to emotional appeal without any facts. Or in other words, business as usual in the prolife camp.
In fact most woman who walk up to our booths and are pregnant have no idea what their child looks like in the womb.
That is because "child" is a developmental stage beginning AFTER birth, your deceptive revisionist linguistic fundie hyperbole none withstanding.
 
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