Proudly Pro Life JP Freem
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Really? What makes you come up with that silly claim? I just don't pay much attention to things based solely on feelings when they also are untrue. facts and NOT LYING are important things to me. You guys should start paing attention to that.doughgirl said:steen, do you even have feelings?
Or do you think feelings make a person weak?
Are all your replies void of feelings you might have........
FinnMacCool said:These stories, while touching, I think belong on a pro-life forum cause they're neither fair nor factual.
Please don't try to tell me where I can post my stories. This story is meant to inspire debate on the issue of protecting our children. This is a Pro Life and Pro Abortion issue. No one with children would want them making decisions Lisa made. Lisa had a total of 4 abortions before she was 15. We met her at a support group after losing the twins. Lisa lost 2 babies as a reult of those abortions.
People like yourself say, don’t call me pro-abortion, I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice. My question to you would be then, why are you opposed to being called pro-abortion? Is there something wrong with abortion?
doughgirl said:Ngdawg says, "I don't care if you're anti-abortion or not. No one here is PRO-abortion, but we ARE pro-choice-if I want 20 babies, that's MY choice and if I want none and find myself in dire straits, it's MY choice how to deal with it."
To be pro-choice about abortion is to be pro-abortion.
Suppose drug dealing were legalized, as some advocate. Then suppose you heard someone argue this way for selling cocaine:
I am personally not in favor of drug dealing, but this is a matter for a drug dealer to decide between himself and his attorney. Lots of religious people are against drug dealing, but they have no right to force the anti-cocaine morality on others. We don’t want to go back to the days when drug dealing was done in back alleys and people died from poorly mixed cocaine, and when only rich people could get drugs and poor people couldn’t. It’s better now that qualified drug dealers can safely give cocaine to children. I personally wouldn’t buy drugs, so I’m not pro-drugs, you understand, I’m just pro-choice about drug dealing.
In terms of moral impact, there is NO significant moral difference between people who are in favor of drug dealing and people who don’t like it personally but believe it should be legal. Someone who is pro-choice about rape might argue that this is not the same as being pro-rape. But what is the real difference? Wouldn’t being pro-choice about rape allow and effectively promote the legitimacy of rape?
Those who were pro-choice about slavery fancied that their moral position was sound if they didn’t own slaves. Yet it was not just the proslavery position but the pro-choice about slavery position, that resulted in the exploitation, beatings and deaths of innocent people in this country. most people in Germany did not favor the killing of Jews, but they did nothing to stop that killing.
Some people have the illusion that being personally opposed to abortion while believing others should be free to choose it is some kind of compromise between the pro-abortion and pro-life positions. Yea right. It is not. Pro-choice people vote the same as pro-abortion people. Both oppose legal protection for the innocent unborn. Both are willing for children to die by abortion and must take responsibility for the killing of those babies even if they do not participate directly. To the baby who dies it makes no difference whether those who refuse to protect her were pro-abortion or merely pro-choice.
If abortion doesn’t kill children, why would someone be opposed to it? If it does kill children, why would someone defend another’s right to do it?
Being personally against abortion but favoring another’s right to abortion is self-contradictory. It’s like saying, “I’m against child abuse, but I defend my neighbors right to beat the hell out of his children, if that is his choice.” Or “I am against genocide but if others want to kill off an entire race, that’s none of my business.”
People like yourself say, don’t call me pro-abortion, I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice. My question to you would be then, why are you opposed to being called pro-abortion? Is there something wrong with abortion?
So if you were married and your wife got pregnant youd be fine with her decision to kill the child? You agree you should have no say in the matter?
It wouldnt matter even if the child she was killing was yours? WOW.
This information was taken from the U.S Bureau of Vital Statistics and Mary Calderone, “Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Problem,” American Journal of Health 50 (July 1960);949.
The coat hanger argument works as a propaganda piece at rallies. This argument doesn’t reflect what would happen if abortion laws were reversed.
We must not legalize procedures that kill the innocent just to make the killing process less hazardous. Typically those appealing like yourself to teh emotions through use of this argument completely avoid the real issue, since its much easier to talk about coat hangers than dead children.
Look at it from the childs point of view. There is NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE, LEGAL ABORTION. it is always deadly. For every two people who enter an abortion clinic, only one comes out alive.
It’s hard to fathom this level of pro-choice cruelty towards precious children, then turn around and say they are pro-life. Amazing
Saying your pro-abortion speaks for itself. And those who hide behind the label pro-choice.......jsut cant come to terms with what abortion really is. They hide..........abortion is murder and they know it........they jsut dont value life enough to try to make a difference and stop it. its much more acceptable to be popular and be politically correct then to do what is morally right. And they know it.
Your right about this site. Its very fair. Your as free to use the term pro-abortion even if I think it misleading.I use to post on this website called Beliefnet. I was recently banned for three months because I would not stop using the term, pro-abortion. This is a liberal website (they say they are fair but they are not) and they do not like to hurt peoples feelings by labeling them pro-murder. I could not even site books and materials that use the term pro-abortion. Can't step on toes..........can't make anyone feel bad. I respect this site that allows free speech.
Maybe cause I recognize obvious distinctions? If I went out and ****ed every woman with the condom, do I feel guilty about all the unborn babies that could've been born if I ****ed them without a dom? This world is a strange place. People are born, people live, and people die. I happened to have been born to a family that had me because they wanted to start a family. They loved me, they cared for me, and they raised me to be the person I am today. If my mother had an abortion I would not be here. But I am here because I was started by people who wanted me. Those who have abortions don't want their children. Do you want them to grow up to be unloved and uncared for and let loose on society? Its difficult for me to express exactly what I'm trying to say to you but hopefully that makes it a little clearer.They why sit back and let the unborn be slaughtered then? Why endorse it by DOING NOTHING? Your saying to bad for the unborn..................BUT THE WOMANS CHOICE TRUMPS A LIFE. How can you say this and live with yourself?
Nor would I. You misunderstood me and the point I was trying to make.I believe your wrong. They all are like examples.............
I would not regard taking a life some idle bullshit. That shows your lack of concern for the unborn and your lack of respect for life.
tecoyah said:Hello, my name is Lisa I am thirteen years old. I live in New Jersey with my Mom and Dad. Mom & Dad love me but they just wouldn’t understand why I am here. Oh here is an Alley in the City and I have been here before. Bill my boyfriend (He is 25 and says age does not matter) dropped me off and gave me the money for my second abortion. You see they do not have parental notification in NJ, So Bill will not get in any trouble because my parents won’t know I am pregnant. I am so happy that the Pro-Life groups and Christian organizations such as Falwells and Fundamentalists have removed my right to have an abortion without my parents knowledge. They have also protected Bill who says age does not matter. I have to go now the Guy with the coat hanger is ready. Before I go in the guy will ask me if I have the Money, payment must be made before the service is rendered. Iam lucky Bill has money; He gave me the cash. The gate to the dumpsters shuts the metal probe used to rip my insides apart winds and another life has been destroyed. Or is it two lives? This is the Horror of Abortion.
Lisa was later found two blocks away.....her blood crimson on the snow. She was not murdered, as she had no choice but to see this man, Whoever he was. Lisas Parents were notified....if a bit too late.
There is no secret here. Everyone knows what abortion does. From what you write, it sure sounds like those on the opposing side probably know more about this issue then you do.I work for the Right To Life in my State.
I talk to the opposing side all the time. You would be surprised how many do not know anything about abortion besides how to spell it and the definition.
We show them pictures, let them read facts about procedures and existing laws on the books. And most are sick to their stomachs when they see what really goes on. In fact most woman who walk up to our booths and are pregnant have no idea what their child looks like in the womb.
This information was taken from the U.S Bureau of Vital Statistics and Mary Calderone, “Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Problem,” American Journal of Health 50 (July 1960);949.
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:Hello My Name is Lisa
By Proudly Pro Life JP Freeman
Hello my name is Lisa I am thirteen years old. I live in New Jersey with my Mom and Dad. Mom & Dad love me but they just wouldn’t understand why I am here. Oh here is an abortion clinic I have been here before. Bill my boy friend (He is 25 and says age does not matter) dropped me off and gave me the money for my second abortion. You see they do not have parental notification in NJ, So Bill will not get in any trouble because my parents won’t know I am pregnant. I am so happy that the Pro-Choice groups and women’s organizations such as NOW and Unplanned Parenthood have protected my right to have an abortion without my parents knowledge. They have also protected Bill who says age does not matter. I have to go now the doctor is ready. Before I go in the nurse ask me if I have the Money payment must be made before the service is rendered. Iam lucky Bill has money; He gave me the cash. The door shuts the suction machine winds and another life has been destroyed. Or is it two lives? This is the Horror of Abortion.
The story I just wrote is partly factual. The point I am trying to make is without parental notification laws we are protecting the Bill’s who say, “age does not matter.” We are also taking parental rights away from a Parent who should decide what and where and if a serious medical procedure should be performed on their minor child. I think all Pro choice and Pro Life Parents have the right to make those decisions for their children. I may not agree with all the decision made, but it is up to us to protect our children.
Sincerely, JP
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:The Killing of a Baby is very emotional issue, try as the pro abortion side might you can not take the emotion away from this issue.
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