Heat records being shattered daily in the Pacific Northwest.

[Threegoofs]

I am not ignoring what is declining,
Decadal Changes of the Reflected Solar Radiation and the Earth Energy Imbalance

Both the EEI from the CERIS satellite, and the Ocean Heat Content Time Derivative show that Earth's energy imbalance is declining.
By the way has Gavin made any predictions for 2021 without the help from an El Nino event?
Giss does not have 2021 looking like a warm year so far.

Jan -.36C, Feb -.6C, March -.29C, April -.38C, May -.22C

Weird that you cling to one publication, and ignore more recent ones that are published in more reputable journals- including one in June, 202

oh wait. Not weird. Typical.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL093047

 

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Weird that you cling to one publication, and ignore more recent ones that are published in more reputable journals- including one in June, 202

oh wait. Not weird. Typical.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL093047

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Had you read the study that you cited, you would have noticed some selective use of the data.

Here we only consider the TOA fluxes derived from CERES SW and LW radiance measurements and solar irradiance measurements.
Absorbed solar radiation is determined from the difference between spatially and temporally averaged monthly solar irradiances and reflected SW fluxes.

For this period, the observations show a trend in net downward radiation of 0.41 ± 0.22 W m−2 decade−1
that is the result of the sum of a 0.65 ± 0.17 W m−2 decade−1 trend in absorbed solar radiation (ASR)
and a −0.24 ± 0.13 W m−2 decade−1 trend in downward radiation due to an increase in OLR (Figures 2a–2c).

So the positive number is found by counting an increase in the absorbed solar radiation!
Both studies saw an increase in the Outgoing Longwave Radiation (OLR), and this should not be happening while the greenhouse gas level
continues to rise.
If anything, the increase in absorbed solar radiation (ASR) while the TSI is decreasing, is from something other than an increase in CO2.

 

[Threegoofs]

Had you read the study that you cited, you would have noticed some selective use of the data.




So the positive number is found by counting an increase in the absorbed solar radiation!
Both studies saw an increase in the Outgoing Longwave Radiation (OLR), and this should not be happening while the greenhouse gas level
continues to rise.
If anything, the increase in absorbed solar radiation (ASR) while the TSI is decreasing, is from something other than an increase in CO2.

Yes, and the one you cling uses clear sky measurements, and states that clouds are obviously important.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Yes, the observational record of the energy imbalance, reflected by the earths temperature, is steadily rising.

Not according to figure 15 in the paper.

Did you even read the paper, or are you arguing just to argue?

 

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Yes, and the one you cling uses clear sky measurements, and states that clouds are obviously important.

Wrong again, They analyzed both clear sky and all sky, and even had a graph comparing the two.
Yes, clouds are important, but are generally a negative net forcing.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Right, and ignore actual energy balance-

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This chart is not an energy balance chart.

Please stop showing off what we already know, that you don't understand this topic.

That is a temperture craph. Not a heat graph. Do you understand the difference between temperature and heat?

 

[Threegoofs]

This chart is not an energy balance chart.

Please stop showing off what we already know, that you don't understand this topic.

That is a temperture craph. Not a heat graph. Do you understand the difference between temperature and heat?

Temperature is how heat is measured, dude.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Temperature is how heat is measured, dude.

Fail.

You don't understand.

 

[Threegoofs]

Fail.

You don't understand.

Just like all the other scientists in the world, amirite?

Only you can understand their sekrit messages they put in their papers.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Just like all the other scientists in the world, amirite?

Only you can understand their sekrit messages they put in their papers.

LOL...

You are amusing, when you continue to claim you understand that you don't.

Heat and temperature are different. Period.

 

[Threegoofs]

LOL...

You are amusing, when you continue to claim you understand that you don't.

Heat and temperature are different. Period.

Right. Temperature is the measurement we use to determine heat in a system.I mean, technically, you need to convert it into Calories, but in global measurements that’s not too useful.

This is basic college level physics, so maybe that’s why you aren’t aware of it.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Right. Temperature is the measurement we use to determine heat in a system.I mean, technically, you need to convert it into Calories, but in global measurements that’s not too useful.

This is basic college level physics, so maybe that’s why you aren’t aware of it.

But the calories of heat in one material is different than the calories in another material the same temperature.

That is why you are wrong.

 

[Threegoofs]

But the calories of heat in one material is different than the calories in another material the same temperature.

That is why you are wrong.

The atmosphere is essentially one material.

I realize this is pretty advanced for you, but I’m happy to help you learn.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The atmosphere is essentially one material.

Do you think the different "materials" of the earth don't exchange heat?

I realize this is pretty advanced for you, but I’m happy to help you learn.

LOL...

You are the one that speaks way above his pay grade.

 

[Threegoofs]

Do you think the different "materials" of the earth don't exchange heat?


LOL...

You are the one that speaks way above his pay grade.

Do I need to type slower?

We are not measuring the temperature differences of rocks, sand, ice, or trees. The temperature is measuring the atmosphere, where the heat capacity (that’s like lesson 2, which might be a bit advanced) is not applicable, since it’s essentially uniform.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Do I need to type slower?

We are not measuring the temperature differences of rocks, sand, ice, or trees. The temperature is measuring the atmosphere, where the heat capacity (that’s like lesson 2, which might be a bit advanced) is not applicable, since it’s essentially uniform.

Tangent alert...

We were speaking of you using a temperature graph to explain heat imbalances, when they were clearly going opposite directions. You denied the science that the energy imbalance showed it declining, and provided a temperature graph to support your claim.

Maybe you should go back those several posts.

 

[Threegoofs]

Tangent alert...

We were speaking of you using a temperature graph to explain heat imbalances, when they were clearly going opposite directions. You denied the science that the energy imbalance showed it declining, and provided a temperature graph to support your claim.

Maybe you should go back those several posts.

I posted a study to support the claim. The temp graph was merely to show how absurd the position that somehow the 2018 paper reflects something about AGW is.

 

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I posted a study to support the claim. The temp graph was merely to show how absurd the position that somehow the 2018 paper reflects something about AGW is.

The 2018 paper Decadal Changes of the Reflected Solar Radiation and the Earth Energy Imbalance,
is specifically about AGW! Everything in the concept of AGW begins with Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI).
If there were no Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI), there would be no forced warming, it is that simple.
What does not match, is that while greenhouse gas levels continue to increase, the Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI) is somehow declining,
and has been for almost 2 decades.

 

[watsup]

The 2018 paper Decadal Changes of the Reflected Solar Radiation and the Earth Energy Imbalance,
is specifically about AGW! Everything in the concept of AGW begins with Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI).
If there were no Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI), there would be no forced warming, it is that simple.
What does not match, is that while greenhouse gas levels continue to increase, the Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI) is somehow declining,
and has been for almost 2 decades.

Uh-oh, Longview blowing smoke (lying) again:

“Researchers have found that Earth’s energy imbalance approximately doubled during the 14-year period from 2005 to 2019.

Earth's climate is determined by a delicate balance between how much of the Sun's radiative energy is absorbed in the atmosphere and at the surface and how much thermal infrared radiation Earth emits to space. A positive energy imbalance means the Earth system is gaining energy, causing the planet to heat up. The doubling of the energy imbalance is the topic of a recent study, the results of which were published June 15 in Geophysical Research Letters.”

Joint NASA, NOAA Study Finds Earth's Energy Imbalance Has Doubled - NASA

Researchers have found that Earth’s energy imbalance approximately doubled during the 14-year period from 2005 to 2019.

www.nasa.gov

That took all of 30 seconds of a Google search. Do you not have Google, Longview?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Uh-oh, Longview blowing smoke (lying) again:

“Researchers have found that Earth’s energy imbalance approximately doubled during the 14-year period from 2005 to 2019.

Earth's climate is determined by a delicate balance between how much of the Sun's radiative energy is absorbed in the atmosphere and at the surface and how much thermal infrared radiation Earth emits to space. A positive energy imbalance means the Earth system is gaining energy, causing the planet to heat up. The doubling of the energy imbalance is the topic of a recent study, the results of which were published June 15 in Geophysical Research Letters.”

Joint NASA, NOAA Study Finds Earth's Energy Imbalance Has Doubled - NASA

Researchers have found that Earth’s energy imbalance approximately doubled during the 14-year period from 2005 to 2019.

www.nasa.gov

That took all of 30 seconds of a Google search. Do you not have Google, Longview?

So, when you have papers saying different things, it means the science isn't settled. Right?

 

[Threegoofs]

The 2018 paper Decadal Changes of the Reflected Solar Radiation and the Earth Energy Imbalance,
is specifically about AGW! Everything in the concept of AGW begins with Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI).
If there were no Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI), there would be no forced warming, it is that simple.
What does not match, is that while greenhouse gas levels continue to increase, the Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI) is somehow declining,
and has been for almost 2 decades.

And when you see a paper that doesnt make a lot of sense given the actual observations, you always go with the actual observations, as you’ve told us.

And we are observing rapid warming the last two decades.

This isnt hard, dude.

 

[Threegoofs]

Uh-oh, Longview blowing smoke (lying) again:

“Researchers have found that Earth’s energy imbalance approximately doubled during the 14-year period from 2005 to 2019.

Earth's climate is determined by a delicate balance between how much of the Sun's radiative energy is absorbed in the atmosphere and at the surface and how much thermal infrared radiation Earth emits to space. A positive energy imbalance means the Earth system is gaining energy, causing the planet to heat up. The doubling of the energy imbalance is the topic of a recent study, the results of which were published June 15 in Geophysical Research Letters.”

Joint NASA, NOAA Study Finds Earth's Energy Imbalance Has Doubled - NASA

Researchers have found that Earth’s energy imbalance approximately doubled during the 14-year period from 2005 to 2019.

www.nasa.gov

That took all of 30 seconds of a Google search. Do you not have Google, Longview?

That’s the paper I posted earlier.

Weirdly, the deniers seemed to just skip it.

 

[watsup]

So, when you have papers saying different things, it means the science isn't settled. Right?

Evidently that is so to climate deniers in an online chat room.

 

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And when you see a paper that doesnt make a lot of sense given the actual observations, you always go with the actual observations, as you’ve told us.

And we are observing rapid warming the last two decades.

This isnt hard, dude.

The fact that the Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI) is declining, while greenhouse gasses and temperature are increasing,
means that the concept of what is cause the warming is incomplete, and incorrect.
The positive side of the equation is not coming from a decline in Outgoing Longwave Radiation (OLR),
but from a decrease in Reflected Solar Radiation (RSR).

 

[watsup]

The fact that the Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI) is declining, while greenhouse gasses and temperature are increasing,
means that the concept of what is cause the warming is incomplete, and incorrect.
The positive side of the equation is not coming from a decline in Outgoing Longwave Radiation (OLR),
but from a decrease in Reflected Solar Radiation (RSR).

That is not a fact. I recently introduced a paper into this that shows exactly the opposite.