talloulou said:I prefer to see people lose weight the old fashion way but being fat is never good for your health regardless of your career.
Rosalie said:There is no reason to presume that she was unhealthy purely because she was fat, even if it's likely.
WTF? There is every reason to presume she was unhealthy. Being fat in itself is unhealthy. The fatter you are the more freaking unhealthy you are. That's a fact and facts can't be changed for the sake of political correctness or stroking someones self esteem.
Being over weight coincides with multiple health issues both physical and mental. There is no way or circumstance in which being fat is healthy thus it is unhealhty.
Rosalie said:No, that's not a fact. Simply having more weight does not automatically make you more unhealthy. I am quite overweight but have no real health issues attatched to it. It depends on the person.
By your logic, anorexia is the healthiest option of all?
Rosalie said:That you really have to prove.
The problem with getting research on this is that so much of it is funded by diet companies. It's difficult to find unbiased research.
Here's an article from TIME magazine about this mess-
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1066937,00.html
Rosalie said:am quite overweight but have no real health issues attatched to it.
I'm glad you don't currently have health issues. But being overweight causes health problems and it is unhealthy.Rosalie said:No, that's not a fact. Simply having more weight does not automatically make you more unhealthy. I am quite overweight but have no real health issues attatched to it. It depends on the person.
Um nope. I didn't say that anywhere. I think a healthy balanced diet combined with exercise keeps you at a healhy weight. Some people are natuarlly skinnier or heavier than others. But if you are actually "fat" then that's a problem. I'm not recommending people be Paris Hilton skinny by no means. But that opera singer was clearly fat in the before picture. If you can't run up a flight of stairs without out breathing heavy you're too fat.By your logic, anorexia is the healthiest option of all?
The Opera House can do whatever it wants with itself, people who are both obese and healthy are outnumbered by those obese and unhealthy by 100 to 1.
But being overweight causes health problems and it is unhealthy.
Rosalie said:And why is it fair that the Opera House can do what it wants? It's nothing short of discrimination.
You sort of have to provide some backing for that. If not statistics, then a logical demonstration of how being fat directly affects your health.
Study confirms you can’t be fat — and healthy
Middle-age people who are overweight but have normal blood pressure and cholesterol levels are kidding themselves if they think their health is just fine.
Northwestern University researchers tracked 17,643 patients for three decades and found that being overweight in mid-life substantially increased the risk of dying of heart disease later in life — even in people who began the study with healthy blood pressure and cholesterol levels.
Discrimination is based on irrelevant characteristics that cannot be changed, the woman lost weight, and she's back. You can't do that with a black person who's barred from drinking at a KKK bar, not to mention looks and public image is an influential part of her job as an opera singer.Rosalie said:Did you read the Time Magazine article?
And why is it fair that the Opera House can do what it wants? It's nothing short of discrimination.
Rosalie said:By your logic, anorexia is the healthiest option of all?
Are you actually arguing that an artistic organization cannot make its decisions on who to hire based on appearance?
Did you even read the link she posted?
Northwestern University researchers tracked 17,643 patients for three decades and found that being overweight in mid-life substantially increased the risk of dying of heart disease later in life — even in people who began the study with healthy blood pressure and cholesterol levels.
A total of 1,594 heart disease deaths occurred, 31 of them in people who started the study with normal blood pressure and cholesterol.
tecoyah said:Obesity has been proven to be a factor in many major health problems:
"Diseases associated with obesity:
Obesity increases the risk of developing certain diseases. The American Health Foundation, a non-profit research organization dedicated to finding preventive strategies to reduce chronic diseases, convened an expert panel to consider the increasing prevalence of obesity. The expert panel was comprised of authorities on diseases that are directly associated with excess body weight. These findings were published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Regardless of this publication, many doctors are not heeding the warning.
Cardiovascular disease risk increases due to overweight elevating blood pressure, cholesterol, triglycerides, and increasing insulin resistance. The location of excess body fat can further increase CVD risk. Central obesity for example, is directly associated with an increased risk of heart disease. A 20% reduction in body weight can reduce CVD risk by 40%. This can be achieved by keeping BMI in the normal range. Over 50% of all cases of hypertension are simply due to being overweight.
The incidence of diabetes increases with increasing weight. Diabetes is three times more likely in obese individuals with a BMI of 28 or greater.
Osteoarthritis symptoms are worse in men and women with a BMI over 25. Excess body weight stresses joint cartilage.
Cancer risk can increase due to elevated hormones associated with obesity, influencing cancer development. Excess estrogen is linked with reproductive system cancers. Adipose tissue (fat tissue) is a major site of estrogen synthesis in women. Scientists link a BMI of 28 to 30 with an increase in cancer risk.
Other diseases associated with obesity include sleep apnea, abdominal hernias, varicose veins, gout, gall bladder disease, respiratory problems including pickwickian syndrome (a breathing blockage linked with sudden death), and liver malfunction.
Massive obesity, indicated by a BMI over 40, is so closely associated with health problems that it is regarded as a disease in its own right.
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http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/193
Sorry Roaslie....you are simply wrong on this one.
Discrimination is based on irrelevant characteristics that cannot be changed, the woman lost weight, and she's back. You can't do that with a black person who's barred from drinking at a KKK bar, not to mention looks and public image is an influential part of her job as an opera singer.
Rosalie said:http://www.theage.com.au/news/arts/fat-lady-sings-again/2006/07/10/1152383652565.html
I'm sorry, but this story flat out disgusts me.
Opera singer too fat? Sure she needed to loose weight, but she's working down from Size 30 to Size 12!? Loosing that much weight can't be healthy to begin with.
Fat people are chosen as Opera singers for a reason. Not just out of traditional imagery, but their much larger bodies resonate much better. She was only accepted back as an Opera singer, ironically, when she became a WORSE Opera singer.
We don't even know for sure if she had any immediate health risks - she claims it was her own choice of course to have such drastic surgery, but considerring the timing, I'm not sure how likely that is.
She doesn't look right the way she is at all. She looks too "normal". When you got to an opera you expect to see something extraordinary, not ordinary. What happened her lovely long golden locks too? Is this what Opera singers are meant to look like these days, news readers?
I really think the health freaks need beating backwards with a spiked truncheon when an Opera Singer believes anything over Size 12(barely curvy) is "too fat".
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