Are you actually arguing that an artistic organization cannot make its decisions on who to hire based on appearance?
Fat Ladies are part of the Opera. There is no grounds for "Artistic" discrimination.
Did you even read the link she posted?
Did you read mine?
Her article cites no references, and is also pretty shaky to begin with.
I shouldn't HAVE to do this as it's only encouraging unbacked articles, but any way-
Northwestern University researchers tracked 17,643 patients for three decades and found that being overweight in mid-life substantially increased the risk of dying of heart disease later in life — even in people who began the study with healthy blood pressure and cholesterol levels.
How exactly did it "track" them? Was it a random sample space, or within a certain area?
It also ignores other factors - what's being argued here is that it's possibly to be FAT and healthy. Unfortunately the way the majority of people get fat does make them unhealthy. But it's important to determine this for two reasons; 1) If someone simply cannot loose weight, they may at least be able to substitute the food they eat for slightly larger volumes of less "dangerous" food, 2) This is a long shot, but if someone is to become an opera singer, etc., they may want to intentionally
gain weight instead of loosing it. I don't think anyone should ever willingly turn into a huge fatty but some people like being plump. I don't think I WANT to be thin. I like the visual effect of being larger. If I was thin, I'd probably put on weight.
Even if there are health risks - it doesn't necessarily make them "deadly" health risks. If you look after your heart, excercise enough, you should be fine.
But yes, the main problem here is that it still doesn't prove that you can't be fat and overweight, just that particular lifestyles or diets that make you fack generally tend to also make you unhealthy. I've already pointed out why this distinction is important. This kind of thing can't be based on statistics alone.
A total of 1,594 heart disease deaths occurred, 31 of them in people who started the study with normal blood pressure and cholesterol.
31 isn't exactly the most overwhelming number, considerring they started with 494.
Or at least, if you trust this research, that is.
tecoyah said:
Obesity has been proven to be a factor in many major health problems:
"Diseases associated with obesity:
Obesity increases the risk of developing certain diseases. The American Health Foundation, a non-profit research organization dedicated to finding preventive strategies to reduce chronic diseases, convened an expert panel to consider the increasing prevalence of obesity. The expert panel was comprised of authorities on diseases that are directly associated with excess body weight. These findings were published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Regardless of this publication, many doctors are not heeding the warning.
Cardiovascular disease risk increases due to overweight elevating blood pressure, cholesterol, triglycerides, and increasing insulin resistance. The location of excess body fat can further increase CVD risk. Central obesity for example, is directly associated with an increased risk of heart disease. A 20% reduction in body weight can reduce CVD risk by 40%. This can be achieved by keeping BMI in the normal range. Over 50% of all cases of hypertension are simply due to being overweight.
The incidence of diabetes increases with increasing weight. Diabetes is three times more likely in obese individuals with a BMI of 28 or greater.
Osteoarthritis symptoms are worse in men and women with a BMI over 25. Excess body weight stresses joint cartilage.
Cancer risk can increase due to elevated hormones associated with obesity, influencing cancer development. Excess estrogen is linked with reproductive system cancers. Adipose tissue (fat tissue) is a major site of estrogen synthesis in women. Scientists link a BMI of 28 to 30 with an increase in cancer risk.
Other diseases associated with obesity include sleep apnea, abdominal hernias, varicose veins, gout, gall bladder disease, respiratory problems including pickwickian syndrome (a breathing blockage linked with sudden death), and liver malfunction.
Massive obesity, indicated by a BMI over 40, is so closely associated with health problems that it is regarded as a disease in its own right.
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http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/193
Sorry Roaslie....you are simply wrong on this one.
Oh fantastic. I pointed out how research on this was difficult to find in an unbiased form because of how much of it was funded by diet companies.
You not only provide me with such nonsense, but from a "doctor" that has a section listed "THe Diet" on his website? And I'm "Simply Wrong"?
Note how two of his "references" are from "Nutrition" clinics and how the rest are from 1999, predating the resaerch I posted. If you check up the Medical Journal references they deal with diet more than actual presence of fat.
This poll has left me with very little respect for the populace of this board - how can you not think forcing an
opera singer not just into a healthier weight, but loose enormous amounts of weight(which isn't healthy either, by the way) is horrible?
Discrimination is based on irrelevant characteristics that cannot be changed, the woman lost weight, and she's back. You can't do that with a black person who's barred from drinking at a KKK bar, not to mention looks and public image is an influential part of her job as an opera singer.
Incorrect. She could only loose weight through radical surgical procedure. If it was just as "cheap" to turn black people white, would that be fair too?
Looks and public image are part of her job as an opera singer - and opera singers are generally MEANT to be large women! Why are people pulling that BS card? It makes no sense.
There is no reason why a fat person can't look presentable anyway. She was certainly far too fat - but don't you think stomach surgery and loosing half your body mass is a bit extreme?
