Missouri Mule
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Yes, lets go back to those days when Bin Laden was a US ally. When the CIA armed him up against the Soviets. When we were on the same side fighting in Afganistan. If only US troops would have never stepped foot on Saudi soil, there might not have been a 9/11!Originally posted by Missouri Mule:
Meet Osama bin Laden as a young Saudi businessman who arrives in Afghanistan to raise funds to help those hurt by the war. Follow this wealthy and privileged son of a self-made billionaire as he rises through the ranks of Islamic terrorist society and remakes himself into a mujahedeen warrior. Hear how bin Laden is schooled in the teachings of radical Palestinian leader Dr. Abdullah Yusuf Azzam as Azzam calls for violent jihad, or holy war, against all enemies of the Islamic state, including the United States, most Western nations and Israel. The extreme hatred for those outside the Islamic faith becomes the cornerstone of al Qaeda's ideology from the mid 1990s until today and is the basis of bin Laden's power
Missouri Mule said:Supposed to be pretty good program from the reviews I have read. Comes on at 9 PM EDT or 1.5 hours from the time of this posting. Channel 186 on Dish.
Episode 1: War on America
Inside 9/11: "War on America" takes viewers into the secret world of al Qaeda and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism dating back to the Soviet-Afghan War.
Episode 2: Zero Hour >>
"War on America" opens with the dramatic 1993 World Trade Center bombing and tracks terrorist activities aimed at U.S. targets throughout the 1990s leading up to the horrific morning of September 11, 2001. With each successful attack, terrorist networks become more emboldened. The organization and the legend of Osama bin Laden grow.
Meet Osama bin Laden as a young Saudi businessman who arrives in Afghanistan to raise funds to help those hurt by the war. Follow this wealthy and privileged son of a self-made billionaire as he rises through the ranks of Islamic terrorist society and remakes himself into a mujahedeen warrior. Hear how bin Laden is schooled in the teachings of radical Palestinian leader Dr. Abdullah Yusuf Azzam as Azzam calls for violent jihad, or holy war, against all enemies of the Islamic state, including the United States, most Western nations and Israel. The extreme hatred for those outside the Islamic faith becomes the cornerstone of al Qaeda's ideology from the mid 1990s until today and is the basis of bin Laden's power.
As terrorist activities and organizations continue to increase in power and strength, "War on America" charts the response of the U.S. intelligence community and details the efforts of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Council, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and at least two U.S. presidents...
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http://www.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/episode_1.html
This is not how it happened. These are exaggerations of the truth. UbL was never an ally. UbL didn't care for the US even back then. The CIA didn't help him. We did help people in Afghanistan, but not the "Afghhan Arabs.'Billo_Really said:Yes, lets go back to those days when Bin Ladenwas a US ally. When the CIA armed him up against the Soviets.
Maybe "ally" was too strong a word. But the story below indicates the CIA had lent a helping hand in Afganistan to give the Soviets their own Vietnam.Originally posted by Simon W. Moon:
This is not how it happened. These are exaggerations of the truth. UbL was never an ally. UbL didn't care for the US even back then. The CIA didn't help him. We did help people in Afghanistan, but not the "Afghhan Arabs.'
While Clinton's State Department omitted Afghanistan from the top foreign policy priority list, the Bush administration, beholden to the oil interests that pumped millions of dollars into the 2000 campaign, restored Afghanistan to the top of the list, but for all the wrong reasons. After Bush's accession to the presidency, various Taliban envoys were received at the State Department, CIA, and National Security Council. The CIA, which appears, more than ever, to be a virtual extended family of the Bush oil interests, facilitated a renewed approach to the Taliban. The CIA agent who helped set up the Afghan mujaheddin, Milt Bearden, continued to defend the interests of the Taliban. He bemoaned the fact that the United States never really bothered to understand the Taliban when he told the Washington Post last October, "We never heard what they were trying to say... We had no common language. Ours was, 'Give up bin Laden.' They were saying, 'Do something to help us give him up.' "
There were even reports that the CIA met with their old mujaheddin operative bin Laden in the months before September 11 attacks. The French newspaper Le Figaro quoted an Arab specialist named Antoine Sfeir who postulated that the CIA met with bin Laden in July in a failed attempt to bring him back under its fold. Sfeir said the CIA maintained links with bin Laden before the U.S. attacked his terrorist training camps in Afghanistan in 1998 and, more astonishingly, kept them going even after the attacks. Sfeir told the paper, "Until the last minute, CIA agents hoped bin Laden would return to U.S. command, as was the case before 1998." Bin Laden actually officially broke with the US in 1991 when US troops began arriving in Saudi Arabia during Operation Desert Storm. Bin Laden felt this was a violation of the Saudi regime’s responsibility to protect the Islamic Holy Shrines of Mecca and Medina from the infidels. Bin Laden’s anti-American and anti-House of Saud rhetoric soon reached a fever pitch.
http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=5496
arussian said:Taking into consideration:
1) that Osama bin Laden was working for CIA
and that "Al-Qaeda" means nothing but database of mujahedeen;
and
2) that 9/11 was more likely an inside job (as we have figured out in the corresponding threat);
Why should one think that there was a moment when ObL ceased to work for US top?
Missouri Mule said:The truth is that the whole middle east isn't worth a buck of warm spit to paraphrase "Cactus Jack" Garner, former VP of the United States. If not for their damned oil we wouldn't even know where it was. I'm trying to think a single positive thing that has come out of the ME in the last 1,000 years and can't think of anything; just bombs, chaos, murder and mayhem. No scientific advances, medical advances, no advances of any kind except an exceptional ability to make bombs that murder innocent people. What a legacy.
IValueFreedom said:You're a sad individual. I'm sorry that for whatever reason you have so much hate built up in your heart. I hope that you find some sort of positive way of expressing it rather than taking it out on brash generalizations about peoples of the world.
It wasn't Iraq either!Originally posted by Missouri Mule:
Hardly. I just tell it like it is. When I see something positive coming out of the ME I will be the first to let you know. Right now I see little more than barbarism. Why am I wrong? Please tell me what good comes out of the ME. Educate me.
It wasn't Jehovah's Witnesses who flew those airbombs into the WTC on 9/11. You may have heard of that.
Billo_Really said:It wasn't Iraq either!
Did it ever occur to you, that in light of all the attention that is being paid to the Administrations lack of evidence showing any ties to al qaeda, that if there was something to show, they wouldn't have immediately gone on the air to say, "Whoooop, there it is! I told you so!"Originally posted by Missouri Mule:
SO WITH THESE FACTS BEHIND US, let us move to some informed speculation. Recall the strange and unremarked coincidence of the arrests of two Iraqi intelligence agents in Germany at the end of February 2001. These arrests never made it into the Commission's final report, despite the fact that German authorities described an elaborate Iraqi network involving several German cities at the same time that three of the four 9/11 team leaders all traveled to or through Germany. One of these team leaders, Ziad Jarrah, left Germany just as the Germans captured the Iraqi spies...
An Iraqi scientist invented Algebra in the 9th century.Missouri Mule said:Please tell me what good comes out of the ME. Educate me.
Billo_Really said:Did it ever occur to you, that in light of all the attention that is being paid to the Administrations lack of evidence showing any ties to al qaeda, that if there was something to show, they wouldn't have immediately gone on the air to say, "Whoooop, there it is! I told you so!"
akyron said:An Iraqi scientist invented Algebra in the 9th century.
If Science and Math had not been oppressed by religion we would have had Arabs exploring space about 700 years ago.(And not by blowing themselves up with bombs in the booty).
Religion has stagnated the region as far as R&D goes.
Billo_Really said:Did it ever occur to you, that in light of all the attention that is being paid to the Administrations lack of evidence showing any ties to al qaeda, that if there was something to show, they wouldn't have immediately gone on the air to say, "Whoooop, there it is! I told you so!"
An Iraqi scientist invented Algebra in the 9th century.
If Science and Math had not been oppressed by religion we would have had Arabs exploring space about 700 years ago.(And not by blowing themselves up with bombs in the booty).
Religion has stagnated the region as far as R&D goes.
Missouri Mule said:You need professional help. We are not psychiatrists here but there are meds that will help you with your paranoia.
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arussian said:If you are such a truth seeker as you pretend, may be you should first visit "9/11 was inside job" thread and present a cohesive picture of how WTC1 or 2 or 7 (on your choice) could collapse the way they did without explosives within.
The difference between a rhetorical statement and a real question.Originally Posted by akyron:
What difference would it make?
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