Head to Head, Uncensored v Snakestretcher on Marxism.

[weaver2]

LOL - no.

It has nothing to do with hedge funds. After the meltdown of 2008, a plethora of laws were put into place to cull the disastrous practices of speculative bundling of mortgage backed securities.

And the banks are right back at the same old game.

What New York and California are doing is specifically targeting single family home ownership in an effort to increase high density apartment complexes. Both state back massive developers who establish hub type apartment complexes with embedded shops, restaurants, and basic amenities. Rents are high, as are taxes from property and sales. The state rakes in vastly more taxes than from single family homes, especially in Prop-13 protected California. There is a concerted effort by democrats to end home ownership by the middle class.

That policy makes high density housing more attractive in cities; is an effort to reduce urban sprawl. It is also a way of encouraging home owner ship in suburbs rather than in cities. You appear to have misinterpreterped this policy also. There is no forced curtainment of private home ownership.

Link?

Here are two links to the private equity firms and hedge fund purchases of farm land and private homes

Investment firms are buying more farmland

US politicians are mad about investors buying up farmland, but they are even madder at the foreign investors doing it.

www.morningbrew.com

Are Hedge Funds and Private Equity Firms Driving Up the Cost of Housing? - The Sling

It would be nice for the Times to give some attention to an alternative and more plausible hypothesis behind the housing affordability crisis—namely, that hedge funds and private equity firms have been buying up properties that would otherwise go to households, creating an artificial scarcity in...

www.thesling.org

There are many other links. Look them up yourself if you are interested in reality instead of propaganda.

Bullshit. democrats are passing laws ending home ownership and middle class private property. This has already been cited in the far left Times.

You demanded links. Now it's your turn; post the links.

 

[aociswundumho]

You sound a lot like a Darryl Perry.

Funny enough, it was state driver licensing that pushed me toward libertarianism. My mom hated driving, so by 14 I was already behind the wheel all the time. Then, at 16, I had to wait in line for four miserable hours at the DMV just to get official permission to keep doing what I’d already been doing for years. I remember standing there, fuming and thinking: Why the hell do I need government permission to drive a car? That was like my red pill moment.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And the banks are right back at the same old game.

Goldman Sachs is notorious for attempting to open those schemes back up, they were thwarted by Trump in 2019 - but the have a significant ownership share of the democrat party and made inroads under Obama's third term.

That policy makes high density housing more attractive in cities; is an effort to reduce urban sprawl. It is also a way of encouraging home owner ship in suburbs rather than in cities. You appear to have misinterpreterped this policy also. There is no forced curtainment of private home ownership.

Again, the party is actively seeking to to reduce/end private home ownership by the middle class, as part of the overall move to eradicate the middle class.

Here are two links to the private equity firms and hedge fund purchases of farm land and private homes

Investment firms are buying more farmland

US politicians are mad about investors buying up farmland, but they are even madder at the foreign investors doing it.

www.morningbrew.com

So this link from a questionable source is speaking of Chinese and Russian investors buying farmland and the attempts of the GOP to stop it.

Are Hedge Funds and Private Equity Firms Driving Up the Cost of Housing? - The Sling

It would be nice for the Times to give some attention to an alternative and more plausible hypothesis behind the housing affordability crisis—namely, that hedge funds and private equity firms have been buying up properties that would otherwise go to households, creating an artificial scarcity in...

www.thesling.org

This isn't even a real link, just a twitter feud from a leftist who is butt hurt that Matt Yglesias shredded him on X and embarrassed him for his inability to support his claims

There are many other links. Look them up yourself if you are interested in reality instead of propaganda.

You demanded links. Now it's your turn; post the links.

What do you want links to support? I already gave links for mainstream left sources supporting the actions of leftists states in moving against middle class home ownership.

 

[Bodecea]

Goldman Sachs is notorious for attempting to open those schemes back up, they were thwarted by Trump in 2019 - but the have a significant ownership share of the democrat party and made inroads under Obama's third term.



Again, the party is actively seeking to to reduce/end private home ownership by the middle class, as part of the overall move to eradicate the middle class.



So this link from a questionable source is speaking of Chinese and Russian investors buying farmland and the attempts of the GOP to stop it.



This isn't even a real link, just a twitter feud from a leftist who is butt hurt that Matt Yglesias shredded him on X and embarrassed him for his inability to support his claims



What do you want links to support? I already gave links for mainstream left sources supporting the actions of leftists states in moving against middle class home ownership.

 

[weaver2]

Goldman Sachs is notorious for attempting to open those schemes back up, they were thwarted by Trump in 2019 - but the have a significant ownership share of the democrat party and made inroads under Obama's third term.
Again, the party is actively seeking to to reduce/end private home ownership by the middle class, as part of the overall move to eradicate the middle class.
So this link from a questionable source is speaking of Chinese and Russian investors buying farmland and the attempts of the GOP to stop it.
This isn't even a real link, just a twitter feud from a leftist who is butt hurt that Matt Yglesias shredded him on X and embarrassed him for his inability to support his claims
What do you want links to support? I already gave links for mainstream left sources supporting the actions of leftists states in moving against middle class home ownership.

I'm not going to save my time or yours by ending our discussion until you come up with a reliable link that specifically states that Democrats are limiting private home ownership and presents the legislation and hard data that this is happening

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Marx is literally the author of Communism.

Thats like saying Solon is the "author" of the US Constitution.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

part of the overall move to eradicate the middle class.

What a reversal, is the GOP the party of FDR now?

 

[weaver2]

I'm not going to save my time or yours by ending our discussion until you come up with a reliable link that specifically states that Democrats are limiting private home ownership and presents the legislation and hard data that this is happening

The 'not' should not be in that post . The post should say "I am going to save my time...."
Sorry about the mis-posting

 

[weaver2]

Funny enough, it was state driver licensing that pushed me toward libertarianism. My mom hated driving, so by 14 I was already behind the wheel all the time. Then, at 16, I had to wait in line for four miserable hours at the DMV just to get official permission to keep doing what I’d already been doing for years. I remember standing there, fuming and thinking: Why the hell do I need government permission to drive a car? That was like my red pill moment.

What would highway repair, maintenance, safety and policing look like with out the funds provided by gas tax, licenses and federal funding?

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

The Wealthy are termed "the Aristocracy" - the left LOVE them. it's the middle that democrats and other Marxists wage war to eradicate, the usurpers of the privilege of wealth, the petty bourgeoisie.

in your OP, you said the Communist Manifesto is authoritative on Marxism. So read it.

“Meantime the markets kept ever growing, the demand ever rising. Even manufacturer no longer sufficed. Thereupon, steam and machinery revolutionised industrial production. The place of manufacture was taken by the giant, Modern Industry; the place of the industrial middle class by industrial millionaires, the leaders of the whole industrial armies, the modern bourgeois.”-The Communist Manifesto

So according to Marx and Engels, middle class control over the means of production was taken over by “industrial millionaires, the leaders of the whole industrial armies.”

The millionaires of 1848 are the billionaires of today, and they aren’t anything resembling middle class. Also, if someone isn’t leveraging their ownership of the means of production to command armies of workers, they are not the bourgeoisie being referred to by Marx and Engels.

 

[dairyair]

That which you engage in.

Because you can't debate the actual subject.



This thread is an opportunity for the left to demonstrate their superior knowledge of Marxism.

The problem is the left doesn't have superior know, nor any knowledge at all. You engage in name calling because you have no grasp whatsoever of the subject.



Your failure to address the subject reeks of ignorance.

Try picking a subject that is not false.

In reality, hardly anyone gives a crap about Marxism. No one is advocating for such a system.
It's pointless.
The ignorance begins in the OP.

 

[dairyair]

You've added "Nuhn Uhn" and mindless ad hom.

You've not even attempted to discuss the subject - which you are clearly ignorant of.



Because it shows that the democrats seek to end single family housing? Since that was the direct question, it seems pretty relevant.

You seem angry that people dare discuss the basic platform of your party.



The question is if democrats oppose private property rights. In the case of the middle class, it is clear that they do. Single family home ownership represents the American dream, the ability of the average person to own property. The left is fighting against that dream - democrats seek to deny the average person the right to own property. The Marxist ideals that underpin the democrat party seek to end the middle class - the Bourgeoisie, and to end property ownership by the masses.

Dems are not seeking to halt/end single family housing. Or private property rights.

Pick a topic that isn't a conspiracy theory.

 

[dairyair]

This is the opportunity for the democrats to display their knowledge of the system that defines their party. I routinely encounter leftists on this board who claim to have superior knowledge. So far I have found only one person left of center who has any knowledge whatsoever. Mostly I've seen a series of tantrums by the left.

I guess that means your opinion on dems wanting marxism is total BS.
That's why no one will engage this nonsense.

 

[dairyair]

It’s not a binary - it’s a spectrum of violations. Democratic-run states are by far the most hostile to property rights. They pile on high taxes, rent control, gun restrictions, price caps, environmental red tape, endless permits - you name it. Property rights are the foundation of personal freedom, which is exactly why people are fleeing places like California, New York, and Illinois in droves.

And you admitted Republicans do as well.
You blew your own hypocrisy out of the water admitting Rs do the same as Ds.

 

[dairyair]

I'm not going to save my time or yours by ending our discussion until you come up with a reliable link that specifically states that Democrats are limiting private home ownership and presents the legislation and hard data that this is happening

You know that can't happen.
Only conspiracy theory links can be supplied.

Or links to local zoning laws.

 

[Nickyjo]

As answered in my OP:

What is the underlying goal of Marxism? To establish global Communism with the dissolution of all private property. Marx postulates a world without government where everything is shared by everyone. People labor for the good of humanity.

Marxism is Communism, Communism is the final stage of Marxism.

Marx made lots of productions, some came true, most did not. He did not or could not see how things like the New Deal and other reforms here and in other countries saved capitalism from itself.

 

[aociswundumho]

What would highway repair, maintenance, safety and policing look like with out the funds provided by gas tax, licenses and federal funding?

As I said, they don't license drivers for the money, they do it in order to keep track of you.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Funny enough, it was state driver licensing that pushed me toward libertarianism. My mom hated driving, so by 14 I was already behind the wheel all the time. Then, at 16, I had to wait in line for four miserable hours at the DMV just to get official permission to keep doing what I’d already been doing for years.

So I'm guessing you're 17 now?

I remember standing there, fuming and thinking: Why the hell do I need government permission to drive a car? That was like my red pill moment.

Because there are other people on the road. You do realize that the world doesn't orbit you, right?

 

[aociswundumho]

Because there are other people on the road.

Yes, I see them every day - driving defensively, obeying all traffic laws, and being courteous. The driver's license system is an obvious success, just like everything government does.

 

[weaver2]

........ basic platform of your party....... shows that the democrats seek to end single family housing?

Here is the Democratic Party Platform. Please show us the platform plank that shows Democrats seek to deny the average person the right to own property.

"President Biden has taken historic steps to help Americans rent, buy, and build. In the depth
of the pandemic, the American Rescue Plan kept 8 million families in their homes
nationwide by preventing foreclosures and evictions. Since then, the Administration has
eased rising rents by capping rent hikes in 2 million federally-funded apartments. It led the
biggest expansion of rental assistance for low-income families in 20 years. It’s cracking
down on slumlords who don’t play by the rules. The Administration has reduced
mortgage-insurance premiums on federally-backed loans for 700,000 homeowners; and
waived the requirement for title insurance, saving families up to $1,500 to refinance.
" More people own homes today than did before the pandemic, and we’re
seeing fewer foreclosures than at any time in decades. But Democrats know the surest way
to bring housing costs down long-term is to build to boost supply. So the Administration is
cutting red tape to help more builders get federal financing. A record 1.7 million new housing
units are under construction today nationwide."
"Going forward, the President has laid out one of America’s most ambitious housing plans in
over 50 years. .....It offers a $10,000 mortgage-relief tax credit to first-time
home buyers, and $25,000 in down-payment assistance to buyers from families where no
one has ever before owned a home. .......... We are rooting bias out
of the home appraisal process, which perpetuates the racial wealth gap by unjustly
undervaluing millions of Black- and Latino-owned homes......... we can foster vibrant,
inclusive communities where people from all walks of life can find affordable, diverse living
options.
Democrats are working to help Americans cover other housing-related costs, like utilities.
Families are already saving thousands of dollars with clean energy tax credits; and 23 million
households received free or monthly discounts, saving $30 to $75 per month on high-speed
broadband through the largest internet affordability program in history. It expired in May,
because Republicans refused to act; but Democrats will keep fighting to reinstate it. We’ll
keep working to expand other programs that reduce home heating, cooling, and water bills
as well, especially in rural areas; and to speed the transition to cheaper renewable energy,
like solar, that will lower people’s bills long-term.
The Administration is also leading one of America’s most ambitious efforts to prevent
homelessness. Based on a “housing first” principle, it’s helping states and cities prioritize
housing as the foundational step in delivering support, services, and jobs to rebuild lives. The
Administration will work with C

 

[Dans La Lune]

Yes, I see them every day - driving defensively, obeying all traffic laws, and being courteous.

Why?

 

[Nickyjo]

As I said, they don't license drivers for the money, they do it in order to keep track of you.

As they should.

 

[aociswundumho]

As they should.

That is the standard, left-wing position.

 

[Nickyjo]

That is the standard, left-wing position.

What’s left wing with me having to take a drivers test and receive a state document that allows me to drive on public roads, to keep track of my errors on those roads, to restrict me if I prove to be a danger to my self or others when driving?

 

[weaver2]

That is the standard, left-wing position.

Well, you have two other options, no, three, to our limited democratic representative republic:1. you can tolerate with at least a minimal show of grace an elected party not of your choosing or 2.you can have a dictator or 3. no government and just random brutal chaos.

I find what the so called right leaning libertarians really want is all the benefits of a modern democracy and none of the responsibilities. They want safe, well maintained roads that go where they want them to go with none of the burden of getting a license, paying taxes and respecting the police that make them safe or respect for the highway workers that keep them in repair. That same lazy selfishness of right libertarians extends to all institutions in our government: schools, community resources, legislatures, government employees. The list of facilities that don't deserve right-libertarians respect and support is almost endless.