Have you had your opinion changed here?

[anatta]

I mostly only see people. Some of them much more thoughtful and evidence-respecting and reasonable than others.

well you can se how they lean under their avatar unless it's undisclosed..dont get me wrong-no matter the memebrship makeup
the discussions are usually "evidence based' a smuch as they can be in politics

 

[anatta]

Awwwwww, aren't you cute.

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so you're reduced to baby babblings now?

 

[Ambig]

well you can se how they lean under their avatar unless it's undisclosed..dont get me wrong-no matter the memebrship makeup

I've noticed a couple of folks flying under false flags. We can't always believe what people claim about themselves.

I don't like categorizing people anyway. It interferes with a clear view of them, at least for me.

 

[Fearandloathing]

One of the reasons for a debate is to not only put forward a view you have but also to listen to others that could change your views

Yes.

I used to think half the American population was, well insane.

Now....I'm pretty sure it's 70 per cent.

 

[gbg3]

Do you make sure all of the sources you read for that purpose are totally unbiased so that none of your opinions are based on lies?

I don't look into the opinions of others because opinions are, well, opinions. What I'm interested in verifying are claims made, especially when they're made by posters who just toss opinion out in the form of a claim/statement/fact. Then, after recognizing the trend, I just give up on communicating with the poster.

 

[Onions]

I've noticed a couple of folks flying under false flags. We can't always believe what people claim about themselves.

I don't like categorizing people anyway. It interferes with a clear view of them, at least for me.

I will be honest about my views as I am new but will be a regular member

I live in Wales, vote Green/Labour

I own a Trump hat out of irony because it was made in China

I don't completely understand defending my own party to the death, I am the 1st to criticise my own

Love and peace x

 

[anatta]

I've noticed a couple of folks flying under false flags. We can't always believe what people claim about themselves.
I don't like categorizing people anyway. It interferes with a clear view of them, at least for me.

i like your style. I dont think it's possible to"get along for the common good" anymore
but im jaded from being around when that was the political norm

 

[vesper]

And they are already hard at work using the same tactic with DeSantis. It won't matter who it is they are worried about running/winning, the treatment will be identical.

That's the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But with Trump it has been constant for 6 years that amounts to political persecution because they find him a threat to their power to the likes I don't think anyone has ever seen before.

 

[BitterPill]

One of the reasons for a debate is to not only put forward a view you have but also to listen to others that could change your views

I, for one, must sheepishly admit the level of discourse on this forum is a great surprise. Not only has my opinion of those in the MAGAsphere risen from very good to very, very good as should be expected, but my opinion of lib-progs, i.e. Democrats, has risen from wholly disagreeable to merely inadequate.

Moving on, I notice you hail from Wales, and while I worked as a wildland firefighter some time ago, I was assigned to a crew of twenty whose boss had a RP accent and was called Peter Stuart. Naturally, I was interested in ingratiating myself with my new boss, so I said, "Your accent reminds me of my English mother's accent."

Turns out the fellow is a Welsh nationalist, so I was immediately on the short-end of the stick, tasked with the most mundane duties and roundly criticised while performing them. Fortunately, after repeatedly assuring the man I am fully American whose only crime was being birthed by an Englishwoman, I was able to change his mind with time and we even became friends.

MAGA.

 

[Onions]

I, for one, must sheepishly admit the level of discourse on this forum is a great surprise. Not only has my opinion of those in the MAGAsphere risen from very good to very, very good as should be expected, but my opinion of lib-progs, i.e. Democrats, has risen from wholly disagreeable to merely inadequate.

Moving on, I notice you hail from Wales, and while I worked as a wildland firefighter some time ago, I was assigned to a crew of twenty whose boss had a RP accent and was called Peter Stuart. Naturally, I was interested in ingratiating myself with my new boss, so I said, "Your accent reminds me of my English mother's accent."

Turns out the fellow is a Welsh nationalist, so I was immediately on the short-end of the stick, tasked with the most mundane duties and roundly criticised while performing them. Fortunately, after repeatedly assuring the man I am fully American whose only crime was being birthed by an Englishwoman, I was able to change his mind with time and we even became friends.

MAGA.

Is Welsh come in 2 kinds

Dick's for the fun of it (one of us) or just dicks lol

 

[gbg3]

Because he is a good guy.

He had good ideas for this country.

He just did not know how to kiss the posteriors of the powers that be.

Clever politicians know how to get the media to eat out of their hands.

He did not massage the egos of those people who consider themselves important.

He refused to do what Nancy did: kneel in the Capitol. If he had, everyone would have acclaimed him as the best thing since sliced bread.

In short, he refused to be a hypocrite.

Nothing could be worse in the eyes of woke Dems.

That's a good comment. The idea that Trump wouldn't go with their flow and march to their drum was completely unacceptable to them.
And that's the exact same reason he maintains a large and dedicated following.

 

[Ambig]

I will be honest about my views as I am new but will be a regular member

Happy to hear that. Debate is good for the soul if it's done right. But it takes a tough soul to do it, I think.

I live in Wales, vote Green/Labour

I'm an ignorant American and so have no idea what that means. (But I've heard of Wales!)

What is Green/Labour about?

I don't completely understand defending my own party to the death, I am the 1st to criticise my own

I don't have a party and not much interest in politics. But I consider Donald Trump to be a danger to American society and morality... and probably to the entire world.

What really bothers me is that many of my countrymen actually look up to that guy. Jesus H.

 

[Onions]

Happy to hear that. Debate is good for the soul if it's done right. But it takes a tough soul to do it, I think.

I'm an ignorant American and so have no idea what that means. (But I've heard of Wales!)

What is Green/Labour about?

I don't have a party and not much interest in politics. But I consider Donald Trump to be a danger to American society and morality... and probably to the entire world.

What really bothers me is that many of my countrymen actually look up to that guy. Jesus H.

Labour is what the American Right would call Communism

For reference, Biden is our Soft Right Wing

 

[Ambig]

That's a good comment. The idea that Trump wouldn't go with their flow and march to their drum was completely unacceptable to them.

Well, 'marching to our drum' means 'a modicum of decency and moral behavior'... so you're right. Trump's drumbeat is unacceptable to decent Americans.

 

[Onions]

Labour is what the American Right would call Communism

For reference, Biden is our Soft Right Wing

I should point out, it's not communist

Not at all

 

[anatta]

That's a good comment. The idea that Trump wouldn't go with their flow and march to their drum was completely unacceptable to them.
And that's the exact same reason he maintains a large and dedicated following.

we did take over the crappy Republican party - i mean there are still the McConnells and such but populism is now the majority

 

[Ambig]

Labour is what the American Right would call Communism

For reference, Biden is our Soft Right Wing

I've known that everything shifts sharply left when one crosses the Atlantic, but you're going to need to explain 'soft right wing' to me.

You mean Biden is viewed as moderately rightwing through British political spectacles?

(I view him the same, by the way.)

 

[Ethel2]

Let's be honest here ok?

In order to have your mind changed, you need to have an open mind, some willingness to explore the issues, the wisdom to check sources other than your echo chambers, not to mention you need some sagacity, thoughtfulness, a calm mind and you can't be filled with anger all the time.

That just about leaves out every Rightie. It's sad to behold.

I don’t like to generalize but those on the far right do tend to espouse more conspiracy theories than those not on the far right. There is a denial of facts inherent in many of their beliefs. Too many of them seem to think that government or big pharma or the CDC or (fill in the blank) is out to get them. I am not saying that these groups never lie but for the most part they are just people trying to do a good job or earn a living.

 

[AZRWinger]

Do you make sure all of the sources you read for that purpose are totally unbiased so that none of your opinions are based on lies?

There is no such thing as a completely unbiased source. Their is a profound difference between bias and lies. Bias is propensity for certain attributes in the information such as a bias towards empirical data. Lies are knowingly presenting false data as truth such as certifying information from Hillary's dirty dossier as uncontested fact to obtain a secret surveillance warrant.

 

[Onions]

I've known that everything shifts sharply left when one crosses the Atlantic, but you're going to need to explain 'soft right wing' to me.

You mean Biden is viewed as moderately rightwing through British political spectacles?

(I view him the same, by the way.)

Our Conservative (Right) is Less government

I've known that everything shifts sharply left when one crosses the Atlantic, but you're going to need to explain 'soft right wing' to me.

You mean Biden is viewed as moderately rightwing through British political spectacles?

(I view him the same, by the way.)

Yes, it always makes me laugh when the American Right screams about whatever buzz words when American's want the same rights as us

Healthcare, paid time off, minimum wages

 

[Patriotic Voter]

That's the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But with Trump it has been constant for 6 years that amounts to political persecution because they find him a threat to their power to the likes I don't think anyone has ever seen before.

Make that 10 years. Trump the Terrorist was already thinking about running for president before anyone knew he was more than an extremely corrupt actor and billionaire businessman.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

No way!

Actually, opposing views just make me dig in deeper.

Well, OK, I have changed my mind a bit.

I do now recognize that The Donald has some serious psychological problems (as we all do).

But the more the Dems pile on The Donald, the more I feel sorry for him.

I do hope that he does not run. The Dems would have a nervous breakdown and who knows what they would do. They are not the sweet "liberals" they claim to be.

Heck, he is not even running, and look how they are all piling on him: The FBI's pre-dawn raid. The attorney general in New York keeping her campaign promise to get Trump. A woman now suing for alleged sexual assault. The media's constant attacks.

Dang! The Donald is one tough dude.

I wish him all the best.

Drank all that Kool aide all by yourself, huh?

SMH

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Our Conservative (Right) is Less government

Nope. They say that, but it's a lie.

 

[Onions]

Nope. They say that, but it's a lie.

Mine or yours?

 

[Queen Margo]

Yes. It changed my view of MAGA freaks from "really bad" to "odious".

Why is "odious" in parenthesis?