Have you changed your thinking the past 3 years

[Integrityrespec]

My disgust with republicans has risen exponentially

LOL!!! Really? I don't see that happening with my republican friends feelings toward democrats. I guess that's because the feelings toward democrats was already so low it would be difficult to go much lower.

 

[Luckyone]

You're trying to make it about one man even though you thread asking about parties. My point was that one man drove the left stark raving mad. Instead intelligent discussion many of you guys sink into the morass of "cults" or "Trumpbots" or other even MORE demeaning or degrading terms to refer to those who disagree with you. True be told there are probably less than five left leaning posters I respect or attempt to hold a rational conversation with. To spoils the suspense you're not one of them.

I did think that comment you put up was BS and you have just proven it.

Back to where we were before. I don't have any respect for anything you say.

 

[Divine_Wind]

I think Bernie's election alone will kill the market. I'm assuming if he gets in a lot of his supporters will also. Just as Trump's election caused an immediate up turn, and Bernie election will destroy enthusiasm in the economic world.

Of course you do, but it won't. Idealism always runs head-on into reality when a person takes office. Let's not forget he needs to get everything passed through a Republican Senate....or do you believe Trump and the Republicans have screwed up so bad they'll lose the Senate too?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Unfortunately, I am handicapped and not able to do much of all of that. I do what I can physically do.

Have you tried calling a campaign and asking?

EDIT: I know the Libertarian party is always looking for people. Lots of volunteer jobs like calling, writing, proofing, etc.

 

[Bullseye]

I think much of this can be attributed to the differences in how the left and right think and make decisions.

It seems to me that many on the left weigh emotion and personalization heavily; you can't support a person if he/she doesn't fit some mental model you harbor. Your decisions are influenced by how the choice makes you feel. You won't back a candidate you wouldn't take home to introduce to your sister or brother.

righties seem to be more logical/factual based. We care less that the candidate would be an ideal spouse for our sibling than whether he/she is proposing plans and programs that make sense and address our priorities.

Watch the way ease describes members of the opposite persuasion, particularly candidates. It's informative.


Trump is a low class, repugnant lout. Few on the right would dispute that. BUT, his plans and programs are logical and most have been effective. That's what the right wants.

That's a fact most lefties can't grasp: If he's a dick, he can't be supported even if he ends war word width, makes every American a millionaire, cures every lethal disease and cools the planet while lowering the oceans.

 

[Bullseye]

Of course you do, but it won't. Idealism always runs head-on into reality when a person takes office. Let's not forget he needs to get everything passed through a Republican Senate....or do you believe Trump and the Republicans have screwed up so bad they'll lose the Senate too?

No, I don't believe Trump and the Republicans have screwed anything up. I do, however believe in coat tails. If he wins it's like the Senate will change hands. Whether it does or not it's clear he's business unfriendly and that will kill the enthusiasm of economic decision makers. Take a look at what the market did from the day Trump was ELECTED until he took office. Reverse that and you have a small inkling of a Bernie election would do.

 

[Bullseye]

I did think that comment you put up was BS and you have just proven it.

Back to where we were before. I don't have any respect for anything you say.

I'm in good company. You have no respect for anyone who doesn't worship your brand of manure. You started a thread, ostensibly to get people's input on how their perceptions of the parties had changed in the past three years. But when someone doesn't go along with YOUR perceptions, you squawk and whine and spew insults.

 

[CriticalThought]

During the 3 years that Trump has been in office, many things have occurred that have been catalytic in this presidency. In addition, there have been thousands of discussions on the board about the pros and cons of Trump and of the Democrats.

I am interested to know if any opinions have changed during this period of time. Has Trump's actions or arguments for or against Trump turned you on or turned you off to the Republican party and the same question regarding the Democrats.

Yes, my thinking has changed a lot. I now no longer have any respect for either political party and I am saddened that we as a nation don't actually embrace any of the values I naively believed in as a kid.

 

[Bullseye]

that is BS. He cares about those only because he cares about himself and those are the ways to get his base voting and helping him.

Wow! Enough denial to float a fleet of barges. You style yourself as a master of psychology; I agree you are a master of ABNORMAL psychology as wells as a sufferer.

 

[Divine_Wind]

I think much of this can be attributed to the differences in how the left and right think and make decisions.

It seems to me that many on the left weigh emotion and personalization heavily; you can't support a person if he/she doesn't fit some mental model you harbor. Your decisions are influenced by how the choice makes you feel. You won't back a candidate you wouldn't take home to introduce to your sister or brother....

While you assessment of the Left largely remains true, your assessment of the Right is out-of-date by 30 years. They are just like the Democrats now except with a different authoritarian agenda.

Your last comment proves my point; it's emotional rhetoric not cold logic or completely factual.

....That's a fact most lefties can't grasp: If he's a dick, he can't be supported even if he ends war word width, makes every American a millionaire, cures every lethal disease and cools the planet while lowering the oceans.

Wow! Enough denial to float a fleet of barges. You style yourself as a master of psychology; I agree you are a master of ABNORMAL psychology as wells as a sufferer.

QED

 

[Bullseye]

While you assessment of the Left largely remains true, your assessment of the Right is out-of-date by 30 years. They are just like the Democrats now except with a different authoritarian agenda.

Your last comment proves my point; it's emotional rhetoric not cold logic or completely factual.

QED

LOL, no not really. I tried to lay out generalized guidelines not cut and dried recipes. Obviously there is a wide spectrum to my thesis; not every rightie is a stone cold dispassionate automaton, nor is every lib a squishy ball of emotions. Sorry, I should have made that clearer.

 

[Divine_Wind]

No, I don't believe Trump and the Republicans have screwed anything up. I do, however believe in coat tails. If he wins it's like the Senate will change hands. Whether it does or not it's clear he's business unfriendly and that will kill the enthusiasm of economic decision makers. Take a look at what the market did from the day Trump was ELECTED until he took office. Reverse that and you have a small inkling of a Bernie election would do.

Of course you don't, so why are you fear-mongering about Bernie? If you think the Senate will flip, you should look at the individual elections and the odds. I know it's a lot harder than just the President, but flipping either the House or the Senate is very unlikely despite all the hogwash being posted about it. Even flipping the WH is an uphill battle for the Democrats. I doubt they can swing it.

 

[Luckyone]

Have you tried calling a campaign and asking?

EDIT: I know the Libertarian party is always looking for people. Lots of volunteer jobs like calling, writing, proofing, etc.

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[Luckyone]

Yes, my thinking has changed a lot. I now no longer have any respect for either political party and I am saddened that we as a nation don't actually embrace any of the values I naively believed in as a kid.

Yes, we have gone south for sure. Nonetheless, it is what it is and we have to live with it but we can try to change it. We do have a Constitution we can depend on and we all know what is right regarding morals, ethics, principles and humanity and as long as those that represent us in the parties have at least one of those, we are in the plus and not in the minus. What we have to do, is get rid of (totally), those that have no morals, ethics, principles, or humanity. I can immediately think of four in the Republican side (Trump, McConnell, Jackson, and Nunez) but at this time I can think of no one on the Democratic side that doesn't at least have one of those.

 

[Bullseye]

Of course you don't, so why are you fear-mongering about Bernie? If you think the Senate will flip, you should look at the individual elections and the odds. I know it's a lot harder than just the President, but flipping either the House or the Senate is very unlikely despite all the hogwash being posted about it. Even flipping the WH is an uphill battle for the Democrats. I doubt they can swing it.

No fear mongering involved. Just common economic sense. Why are you grasping at straws on Senate elections? You think if enough folks vote for Bernie they also won't vote for Senators to support him?

 

[jpn]

So do you favor socialism or do you dislike immigrants based on skin color? Tax cuts for the rich? Ending free trade?

Not sure what your point is here. So let me just answer your questions straight up.

Do I favor socialism? It depends what the definition of "socialism" is. If it means the classical definition, with centralized governmental control of production and distribution of goods, of course not. If you mean things like a 40-hour work week, regulating the excesses of capitalism, and so on, yes.
Do I dislike immigrants based on skin color? No. Immigrants are an important infusion of culture and dynamism into our population. They tend to be great workers, too.
Do I favor tax cuts for the rich? No. I favor tax hikes on the rich. They are taxed far below the point that most economists have determined would cause a slowdown in economic investment and growth.
Do I favor ending free trade? No.

 

[Divine_Wind]

No fear mongering involved. Just common economic sense. Why are you grasping at straws on Senate elections? You think if enough folks vote for Bernie they also won't vote for Senators to support him?

If pigs could fly you and I could get rich selling pith helmets. Playing what-if games is fun, but ultimately just a fantasy. Trump and the Republicans would have to royally f*** up in order to lose the Senate. 2020 Senate Election Interactive Map

The odds favor the status quo: Trump reelected, Republicans retain the Senate and the Democrats retain the House. Life goes on.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Thanks for the suggestion.

No worries. There are also a lot of groups looking for volunteers to support causes, raise awareness, etc. I have no doubt there are groups out there that can use you even if it's only from home on the phone or behind a computer.

As a volunteer for a safety group for several years, I did all sorts of jobs but got tired of running around to meetings and talking to people so I dropped it down a couple of notches and just wrote articles for several years. The help was still appreciated.

 

[Robertinfremont]

They've become the party of NO?
The D house has passed many bills sent to congress, haven't they?

Who on earth supports the bills allowed to reach the Senate that come from Nancy Pelosi? She has totally poisoned both houses.

 

[Bullseye]

If pigs could fly you and I could get rich selling pith helmets. Playing what-if games is fun, but ultimately just a fantasy. Trump and the Republicans would have to royally f*** up in order to lose the Senate. 2020 Senate Election Interactive Map

The odds favor the status quo: Trump reelected, Republicans retain the Senate and the Democrats retain the House. Life goes on.

Some folks said that about Bernie winning, too. Remember, this whole discussion is predicated on Bernie winning.

 

[jpn]

If pigs could fly you and I could get rich selling pith helmets. Playing what-if games is fun, but ultimately just a fantasy. Trump and the Republicans would have to royally f*** up in order to lose the Senate. 2020 Senate Election Interactive Map

The odds favor the status quo: Trump reelected, Republicans retain the Senate and the Democrats retain the House. Life goes on.

Odd do favor that. However, four Senate seats are rated tossups on that map. If the Dem's win the WH and three of the four Senate seats, Dem's control the Senate. Not impossible. It would take a wave, though.

And back to the original point, even if Sanders wins the WH and the Dem's take the Senate and retain the House, there is still no way Sanders pushes through the more far-left portions of his agenda. Most Democrats are moderate and not willing to resist the pressure from home to retain employer-provided health insurance.

 

[jpn]

Who on earth supports the bills allowed to reach the Senate that come from Nancy Pelosi? She has totally poisoned both houses.

Right. Mitch McConnell wants so badly to cooperate with Dems. :roll:

 

[Divine_Wind]

Some folks said that about Bernie winning, too. Remember, this whole discussion is predicated on Bernie winning.

Actually it's about changing party views. You're the one who is fear-mongering about Bernie collapsing the economy. Did you also fear monger that if Obama won we'd all become Marxist Muslims?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Who on earth supports the bills allowed to reach the Senate that come from Nancy Pelosi? She has totally poisoned both houses.

Your hatred of Pelosi aside, she's not that powerful nor is Mitch the ***** you are making him out to be.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Odd do favor that. However, four Senate seats are rated tossups on that map. If the Dem's win the WH and three of the four Senate seats, Dem's control the Senate. Not impossible. It would take a wave, though.

And back to the original point, even if Sanders wins the WH and the Dem's take the Senate and retain the House, there is still no way Sanders pushes through the more far-left portions of his agenda. Most Democrats are moderate and not willing to resist the pressure from home to retain employer-provided health insurance.

Everyone on this thread can dream, but I'll stick with the odds.