Hating Obama is not good enough right wingers.

[CLAX1911]

you stated schools are to teach people not to discriminate...........where is that in the law.

people can discriminate, it is government which cannot discriminate, as stated by the 14th amendment.

discrimination laws are statutory laws, and do not override the constitution, which states in 13th amendment no person can be put into involuntary servitude, forcing a person that he must not discriminate is unconstitutional

I never said there is a law against discrimination. I said it was a social convention. You are free to be the fringe. And discriminate all you wish. You just can't force that discriminatory morality on the schools.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything, you want you're kids to hate gay people and not hear about what they really are, put them in private school, if you can't afford it Try harder. Your lack of money is your problem, your objection to schools teaching that discrimination is not right that is your problem also. You deal with it. The nation shouldn't rewrite everything to suit your cooky beliefs. They are your beliefs and they are a minority, you can't demand your values be respected over everybody elses. And that is exactly what you are demanding.

Schools teach morals, they teach things like team work, kindness, sharing, and not judging people by their race, religion, ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation. This is part of their job.

If the government is breaking the constitution take it to the supreme court. In my opinion they are not, your demands that they teach your morality are absolutely ridiculous. Part of school is to study society, it's called social studies, I had classes called that in elementary school.

I Don't care how you fool yourself to believe you are correct in your argument, but you are definitely arguing to have your beliefs taught in school. Being that homosexuals are part of society, biology humanity and thanks to you political aspects of life there is absolutely no reason not to teach children about them. Your belief that it is immoral is irrelevant the job of the schools aren't to affirm your beliefs. Nobody is forcing you to attend public schools. You choose to. And for your absolutely ridiculous school tax argument, if you don't have enough money to afford private school, get off of your behind and earn more, try harder, your economic situation is not any persons problem but yours. You don't think you should pay for school if your kids don't attend, my parents have no children in school yet they pay for out, my lover and i have no kids in school yet we pay for it. Young bachelors have no kids in school yet they pay for it. Take it further, I don't take welfare yet I pay for it, I don't use interstates in Washington state yet I pay for them. I don't want us to be in Iraq yet I paid for it. Taxes are fees levied by the government, you being to sensitive and your ridiculous morals keeping you out of public school is your problem. You deal with it.

The real problem is that you don't want the schools teaching that homosexuality isn't wrong because you think it is and don't want the rest of the people to disagree with you.

 

[Master PO]

I never said there is a law against discrimination. I said it was a social convention. You are free to be the fringe. And discriminate all you wish. You just can't force that discriminatory morality on the schools.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything, you want you're kids to hate gay people and not hear about what they really are, put them in private school, if you can't afford it Try harder. Your lack of money is your problem, your objection to schools teaching that discrimination is not right that is your problem also. You deal with it. The nation shouldn't rewrite everything to suit your cooky beliefs. They are your beliefs and they are a minority, you can't demand your values be respected over everybody elses. And that is exactly what you are demanding.

Schools teach morals, they teach things like team work, kindness, sharing, and not judging people by their race, religion, ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation. This is part of their job.

If the government is breaking the constitution take it to the supreme court. In my opinion they are not, your demands that they teach your morality are absolutely ridiculous. Part of school is to study society, it's called social studies, I had classes called that in elementary school.

I Don't care how you fool yourself to believe you are correct in your argument, but you are definitely arguing to have your beliefs taught in school. Being that homosexuals are part of society, biology humanity and thanks to you political aspects of life there is absolutely no reason not to teach children about them. Your belief that it is immoral is irrelevant the job of the schools aren't to affirm your beliefs. Nobody is forcing you to attend public schools. You choose to. And for your absolutely ridiculous school tax argument, if you don't have enough money to afford private school, get off of your behind and earn more, try harder, your economic situation is not any persons problem but yours. You don't think you should pay for school if your kids don't attend, my parents have no children in school yet they pay for out, my lover and i have no kids in school yet we pay for it. Young bachelors have no kids in school yet they pay for it. Take it further, I don't take welfare yet I pay for it, I don't use interstates in Washington state yet I pay for them. I don't want us to be in Iraq yet I paid for it. Taxes are fees levied by the government, you being to sensitive and your ridiculous morals keeping you out of public school is your problem. You deal with it.

The real problem is that you don't want the schools teaching that homosexuality isn't wrong because you think it is and don't want the rest of the people to disagree with you.

i stated very clearly.......and for long time now, that when the government was teaching homosexuality was wrong, it was still not a duty of government, so your ideas about me, .....fall flat.

stop the indoctrination of children.

 

[CLAX1911]

i stated very clearly.......and for long time now, that when the government was teaching homosexuality was wrong, it was still not a duty of government, so your ideas about me, .....fall flat.

stop the indoctrination of children.

You keep starting this nonsense over and over again, its not helping your case. It was absolutely wrong for the school to teach kids that women are inferior, that black people aren't as good as white people, and that being gay is wrong.

But it is absolutely correct to teach children that people are all equal. That is what they are doing now.

we will never stop indoctrinating kids to believe that all men are created equally. That is the doctrine of our nation.

If you want your kids to believe they are superior get them the hell out of our schools teach them that unamerican hatred in your own house. But we are not going to use the schools to indoctrinate something that backward. If you can't afford to do that, that's your problem.

Klansmen don't think their kids should be taught about Martin Luther king, they don't get to tell the schools not to teach about that. Just like you don't get to tell the schools not to teach about something you don't like.

 

[Master PO]

You keep starting this nonsense over and over again, its not helping your case. It was absolutely wrong for the school to teach kids that women are inferior, that black people aren't as good as white people, and that being gay is wrong.

But it is absolutely correct to teach children that people are all equal. That is what they are doing now.

we will never stop indoctrinating kids to believe that all men are created equally. That is the doctrine of our nation.

If you want your kids to believe they are superior get them the hell out of our schools teach them that unamerican hatred in your own house. But we are not going to use the schools to indoctrinate something that backward. If you can't afford to do that, that's your problem.

Klansmen don't think their kids should be taught about Martin Luther king, they don't get to tell the schools not to teach about that. Just like you don't get to tell the schools not to teach about something you don't like.

keep social agendas out of our schools.

keep government out of the morality business

 

[CLAX1911]

i stated very clearly.......and for long time now, that when the government was teaching homosexuality was wrong, it was still not a duty of government, so your ideas about me, .....fall flat.
.

You may have stated it very clearly several times, I clearly disagree with you. IT IS MOST DEFINITELY THE SCHOOLS JOB TO TEACH CHILDREN THAT IT IS WRONG TO DISCRIMINATE.

I don't know how much more clear I can make that. and if you want to discriminate, you can do that, its your right. But discrimination goes against the fundamental value of a nation that says "all men are created equally", "you have the right to the pursuit of happiness." So of you prefer a fascist dictatorship that is your right, but our schools shouldn't feed that.

 

[CLAX1911]

keep social agendas out of our schools.

there is no agenda. Just the constitution.

keep government out of the morality business

the government isn't teaching morality, just American values.

 

[Master PO]

You may have stated it very clearly several times, I clearly disagree with you. IT IS MOST DEFINITELY THE SCHOOLS JOB TO TEACH CHILDREN THAT IT IS WRONG TO DISCRIMINATE.

I don't know how much more clear I can make that. and if you want to discriminate, you can do that, its your right. But discrimination goes against the fundamental value of a nation that says "all men are created equally", "you have the right to the pursuit of happiness." So of you prefer a fascist dictatorship that is your right, but our schools shouldn't feed that.

well thats fine with me, you and i can disagree.

but your name calling is not going to achieve anything..

discrimination, is not a tool to be used to destroy liberty......it is government which cannot discriminate, not people or a business.......this from the constitution.

 

[CLAX1911]

well thats fine with me, you and i can disagree.

but your name calling is not going to achieve anything..

discrimination, is not a tool to be used to destroy liberty......it is government which cannot discriminate, not people or a business.......this from the constitution.

I know its okay to disagree with you most Americans do.

I Didn't call you any names.

Its government [SIZE =4] BY LAW[/SIZE] which cannot discriminate. The people shouldn't, its a value in our nation that all people are created equally, and that most definitely should be taught in schools.

There is no law that says people can't discriminate, but we don't teach that the Ku Klux klan is a positive part of our society, we actually teach that it is a very negative part of our society in school. we broadly don't teach that its illegal to be a member of the klan.

One day in the future people who said that homosexuality is wrong and immoral will be in the same boat as people who said women were inferior. I think that is what you fear.

Its right to teach kids that women were unequal, that blacks were unequal at one time in our nations history, so its right to teach that currently homosexuals are unequal.

Its the American agenda that they are teaching, liberty and justice for all. Last I checked homosexuals were part of all. If you don't think our American schools should teach the founding principal of our nation, what should they teach?

 

[Master PO]

I know its okay to disagree with you most Americans do.

I Didn't call you any names.

Its government [SIZE =4] BY LAW[/SIZE] which cannot discriminate. The people shouldn't, its a value in our nation that all people are created equally, and that most definitely should be taught in schools.

There is no law that says people can't discriminate, but we don't teach that the Ku Klux klan is a positive part of our society, we actually teach that it is a very negative part of our society in school. we broadly don't teach that its illegal to be a member of the klan.

One day in the future people who said that homosexuality is wrong and immoral will be in the same boat as people who said women were inferior. I think that is what you fear.

Its right to teach kids that women were unequal, that blacks were unequal at one time in our nations history, so its right to teach that currently homosexuals are unequal.

Its the American agenda that they are teaching, liberty and justice for all. Last I checked homosexuals were part of all. If you don't think our American schools should teach the founding principal of our nation, what should they teach?

well not directly but you implied if by stating i want a "fascist dictatorship"

being a constitutionalists, is no way makes me for more government, which is what that kind of government is.

government is limited, it is not moral, and it is not our masters

 

[CLAX1911]

well not directly but you implied if by stating i want a "fascist dictatorship"

Only if the shoe fits.

being a constitutionalists, is no way makes me for more government, which is what that kind of government is.

you don't think our children should be taught that all men are created equal, do I don't believe you are a constitutionalist.

government is limited, it is not moral, and it is not our masters

I never said it should be.

 

[Conservative]

Only if the shoe fits.
you don't think our children should be taught that all men are created equal, do I don't believe you are a constitutionalist.

I never said it should be.

All someone has to do is mention the word homosexual and that brings out everyone from the woodwork and drives up posts. Sexuality isn't in the Constitution and is a personal choice. I don't believe people are born homosexual but rather choose to be homosexual. Your sexual orientation is your issue, not mine. I promise not to force my preferences on you if you promise not to force yours on me. Keep homosexuality out of the schools, period.

 

[Master PO]

Only if the shoe fits.
you don't think our children should be taught that all men are created equal, do I don't believe you are a constitutionalist.

I never said it should be.

yes they are all created equal, and are equal under the law......what does that have to do with homosexuality being right or wrong.

who gets to determine that ...you do...not the government.......I don't think you would be happy if government took the "wrong" position

 

[Cyrylek]

It is clear the right wing hates Obama's guts. They have accused him of being a socialist,Islamic and of not being born here. They have fought him at every turn even if they agreed with him. What they have not done is come up with any new ideas. They have not come up with any clear options just the fact they hate him so much. It is going to take more that that my right wing friends. Where are the fresh right wing ideas like the contract with America or Reagans big tent? Without that your party is doomed. The fact that the GOP has let the wing nuts,kook's and far right wing nimrods take over the party does not help either. A party of 50 year old men and Jesus freak females is doomed to fail until somethig changes.

Hating the abstract "right wingers" is not enough, "James D. Hill".

After a brief period of mild curiosity, I've decided to skip your prolific posts, for a very simple reason: You never actually have anything interesting to say.

Thank you for the effort, but I am perfectly capable of tapping the leftist fountainheads of wisdom all by myself - I read The Nation, Le Monde and Die Zeit, on a regular basis.

Now, just for your benefit, as one forum poster to another:

(1) "It is clear the right wing hates Obama's guts".

BS. I am very "right wing" - and I don't hate his guts at all. I consider him a mediocre, nice-enough guy who got hopelessly trapped in a political morass that is not a product of his personal malevolence, in any way imaginable. The worst accusation I can come up with is that he is not a visionary leader, not some kind of prophet of a new era who would be capable of transcending temporal politics and parochial interests...Well, neither am I, or anyone I know or see on the screen of my laptop...

(2) "Where are the fresh right wing ideas like the contract with America or Reagans big tent?'

Those were "fresh ideas"? Slogans without any concrete meaning?

On the other hand, what "fresh ideas" can you point to, on the "other side"? As soon as any thinking Democrat raises his or her voice above the soothing murmur of the Party Consensus, they are out in the cold, in a split second - just ask Michelle Rhee.

I am not a Republican - never was, and don't expect to ever become one - but let's face it: everything remotely worth mentioning, everything interesting or (if you are still young and hopeful) promising is happening there, on the fringes of the GOP - and not in the decaying bog of the Democratic Party.

Love them or hate them, but Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Nikki Haley, Raul Labrador, et al, et al - they talk about what matters, in a language comprehensible to most Americans. I don't agree with any of them 100%, or even 70%, but I have to acknowledge that there is some - imperfect - "intelligent life" out there.

On "your side"? Maybe there's something still there, after all the independent thinkers and all the bet-hedging Blue Dogs had been purged, but my optics are just not strong enough. Must be something, eh, Unbelievably Small (tm)?

 

[CLAX1911]

yes they are all created equal, and are equal under the law......what does that have to do with homosexuality being right or wrong.

same thing it had to do with whether or not being black or a woman or Jewish being right or wrong.

You see the government opposes gay people, it needs to stop. You have to change hearts and minds to change that. Homosexuality isn't wrong so you can't teach that it is. However you can teach that its not wrong just like you can teach that black people are equal to white people.

who gets to determine that ...you do...not the government.......I don't think you would be happy if government took the "wrong" position

Well tell that to the government, they have been teaching that it is wrong for centuries.

The schools teaching that it is nit wing is not the same thing add teaching that it is right.

 

[CLAX1911]

All someone has to do is mention the word homosexual and that brings out everyone from the woodwork and drives up posts. Sexuality isn't in the Constitution and is a personal choice. I don't believe people are born homosexual but rather choose to be homosexual. Your sexual orientation is your issue, not mine. I promise not to force my preferences on you if you promise not to force yours on me. Keep homosexuality out of the schools, period.

Homosexuality is not a choice and what you believe is irrelevant.

My sexual orientation has been made into a public issue. If politics would simply get out of the business of discriminating against sexual orientation then there would be no political issue. Big government conservatives think its their place to tell me that my sexuality is a choice and that I don't have any rights to petition for my liberty.

You involved yourself in it by telling me that it is my choice. Being Lutheran is a personal choice and if the federal or state governments said that Lutherans couldn't legally be married that would be a problem.

But out of my business and you will not be involved in it.

Stop standing in the way of gay people getting married, stop telling them that their choices aren't their rights and they will stop making political issues out of it.

The problem is big government conservatives have turned sexual orientation into a political issue by forbidding it. Using the government to strip people of their liberty. Its not really a conservative position.

The constitution does absolutely grant me the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That in the case of gay people involves same sex marriage. So the consign dies say that I have the right to be gay. And that I have the right to have my grievances redressed. I also have the right to talk about it make political campaigns for it and say what i wish about the opposition.

So I have every right to make this a public issue. I have every right to say that the government is discriminating against me. Even if it is a choice.

I don't know why you think saying it is a choice validates your position. that is my right also. The constitution doesn't say that its legal to discriminate against people who have chosen homosexuality.

So even if out was a choice its still irrelevant.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Homosexuality is not a choice and what you believe is irrelevant.

My sexual orientation has been made into a public issue. If politics would simply get out of the business of discriminating against sexual orientation then there would be no political issue. Big government conservatives think its their place to tell me that my sexuality is a choice and that I don't have any rights to petition for my liberty.

You involved yourself in it by telling me that it is my choice. Being Lutheran is a personal choice and if the federal or state governments said that Lutherans couldn't legally be married that would be a problem.

But out of my business and you will not be involved in it.

Stop standing in the way of gay people getting married, stop telling them that their choices aren't their rights and they will stop making political issues out of it.

The problem is big government conservatives have turned sexual orientation into a political issue by forbidding it. Using the government to strip people of their liberty. Its not really a conservative position.

The constitution does absolutely grant me the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That in the case of gay people involves same sex marriage. So the consign dies say that I have the right to be gay. And that I have the right to have my grievances redressed. I also have the right to talk about it make political campaigns for it and say what i wish about the opposition.

So I have every right to make this a public issue. I have every right to say that the government is discriminating against me. Even if it is a choice.

I don't know why you think saying it is a choice validates your position. that is my right also. The constitution doesn't say that its legal to discriminate against people who have chosen homosexuality.

So even if out was a choice its still irrelevant.

Why not get the government out of the marriage business altogether?

 

[Conservative]

Homosexuality is not a choice and what you believe is irrelevant.

My sexual orientation has been made into a public issue. If politics would simply get out of the business of discriminating against sexual orientation then there would be no political issue. Big government conservatives think its their place to tell me that my sexuality is a choice and that I don't have any rights to petition for my liberty.

You involved yourself in it by telling me that it is my choice. Being Lutheran is a personal choice and if the federal or state governments said that Lutherans couldn't legally be married that would be a problem.

But out of my business and you will not be involved in it.

Stop standing in the way of gay people getting married, stop telling them that their choices aren't their rights and they will stop making political issues out of it.

The problem is big government conservatives have turned sexual orientation into a political issue by forbidding it. Using the government to strip people of their liberty. Its not really a conservative position.

The constitution does absolutely grant me the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That in the case of gay people involves same sex marriage. So the consign dies say that I have the right to be gay. And that I have the right to have my grievances redressed. I also have the right to talk about it make political campaigns for it and say what i wish about the opposition.

So I have every right to make this a public issue. I have every right to say that the government is discriminating against me. Even if it is a choice.

I don't know why you think saying it is a choice validates your position. that is my right also. The constitution doesn't say that its legal to discriminate against people who have chosen homosexuality.

So even if out was a choice its still irrelevant.

What you do in your private life is up to you, you want to have sex with a goat so be it, don't try to force your sexual preference on me and sexual preference isn't a civil right

 

[CLAX1911]

Why not get the government out of the marriage business altogether?

I don't think people want to give up all of the goodies that come with being married.

 

[CLAX1911]

What you do in your private life is up to you, you want to have sex with a goat so be it, don't try to force your sexual preference on me and sexual preference isn't a civil right

As soon as you get out of my private life you will not have to hear about it. You make it your business to get into my private life and tell me I cannot marry someone of my own gender.

Once again, kindly exit yourself from my private life and you will not be involved in it any longer.

 

[Conservative]

As soon as you get out of my private life you will not have to hear about it. You make it your business to get into my private life and tell me I cannot marry someone of my own gender.

Once again, kindly exit yourself from my private life and you will not be involved in it any longer.

Interesting how your private life resolves around what I think or do. Keep your private life out of mine and out of the schools. You choose to be homosexual and sexual activity isn't a civil right.

 

[Conservative]

I don't think people want to give up all of the goodies that come with being married.

Why do you have to be married, a civil union works quite well. This is a country of laws, you don't like the laws, get them changed by majority rule.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

I don't think people want to give up all of the goodies that come with being married.

Exactly and this is the real problem. The government was initially attempting to promote two parent families and protect some property rights, but that is now being bastardized to include any type of "family structure" one wants...

 

[CLAX1911]

Interesting how your private life resolves around what I think or do. Keep your private life out of mine and out of the schools. You choose to be homosexual and sexual activity isn't a civil right.

I am perfectly happy keeping it to myself, you have barged in. When I am stripped of liberties by so called conservatives. You but out of my life, I am not saying that you can't marry the opposite sex so I haven't butted into your private life. You have butted into mine.

I didn't choose to be homosexual and sexual activity aside if I did choose my orientation it is absolutely my rightto do so, first amendment guarantees that.

 

[Conservative]

I am perfectly happy keeping it to myself, you have barged in. When I am stripped of liberties by so called conservatives. You but out of my life, I am not saying that you can't marry the opposite sex so I haven't butted into your private life. You have butted into mine.

I didn't choose to be homosexual and sexual activity aside if I did choose my orientation it is absolutely my rightto do so, first amendment guarantees that.

What liberties are you stripped of? Hate to tell you this but you are provided with the opportunity to pursue happiness, not guaranteed happiness. I want nothing to do with your life but when you interject your life into the public school system you affect me and my grandkids. Sexual Orientation isn't a civil right. Who forced you to be a homosexual? You had a choice and made that choice. What you do with it doesn't concern me at all. The majority in this country disagree with you especially in TX and this is still a country of laws. Show me sexuality in the Constitution? Show me marriage in the Constitution? Show me your guarantee of personal happiness in the Constitution.

 

[CLAX1911]

Why do you have to be married, a civil union works quite well. This is a country of laws, you don't like the laws, get them changed by majority rule.

Separate but equal is a lie it must be everything.

I am doing things to hey it changed, supporting schools that teach discrimination against homosexuality is wrong. Fighting the opinion that homosexuals are lesser and don't deserve the same benefits as heterosexuals.

And i am posting on this board, hoping that others read it and know that we can't ease up pressure, and that it isn't wrong to teach in schools y that homosexuality is okay.