Has there been a court case allowing the open carry of rifles in Public?

[Gaius46]

The chances of an accident with a loaded weapon can be low, but they are never zero. Which is why carrying a weapon is inherently dangerous, and why doing so for no reason is stupid.

So is driving a car.

 

[Questerr]

because it shotgun isn't more deadly than a 9 mm?

If that's the case why is it a problem if people carry those instead of pistols?

but if you don't believe there's any difference between that and a 9 mm pistol what would be the problem with carrying it?
you can say this a thousand times but if you're not rationalizing it it doesn't mean anything.

Why is it ridiculous explain please.

You're entitled to your opinion but can you rationalize your opinion?

There is a difference: one is ludicrous overkill. That’s why it’s ridiculous. You don’t need a rifle or shotgun in public for self-defense in America anywhere outside of Alaska. There aren’t threats that justify it.

 

[Questerr]

So is driving a car.

And similarly, someone owning a car and driving it “just because” would be pretty stupid.

 

[Questerr]

Questerr, you are essentially making the argument that protecting yourself is wrong. My Mom told me that, and I believed it until I kept getting beat up at school and the teachers and principal failed to obey the law and intervene when I reported the attacks. Then one day when the same eight bullies surrounded me again and started their same abusive ritual again and the principal had told me that if I lost another fight he'd expel me, I started gouging out the bullies' eyes. Every last one of them. They tried to intimidate me, but I knew I could win because they were blind, then and forever after, and their punches were easy to dodge. I left the bathroom without a scratch on me.

The school district wanted to file charges. Because of that, I got a free lawyer. I had also hired the British Army to document the abuse and the school's encouragement of the assaults. When the school admitted that I had been reporting the same assaults every school day for 8 weeks, I showed the judge the video the British PI's had taken, which included the bullies' final assault and my first act of self-defense. I won, but the judge ordered my parents to take me to counseling at their own expense. It was a ploy. The psychiatrist asked me to sign a document and lied about what it said. When I refused to sign, the school district's lawyers came in with a court order that required me to give a notation for a $25 check to be written any number of times any time the school district thought I had done something wrong, including when I had failed to pay adequate "damages" to the parents of the bullies.

A lot of "Senshi" come from Ferris, Texas, even today. I make millions off of each of them. The money goes directly into an offshore bank account, where it is outside America's jurisdiction. Not bad for a fifth grader.

No I’m not. Not once have I argued against people protecting themselves. I fully support people protecting themselves. I even fully support open carry for self-defense.

WITH HANDGUNS.

 

[Questerr]

The simple fact that so many people carry dangerous weapons and use them for things like the failed Orange Revolution (in America, not Poland) is proof enough that carrying dangerous weapons at all times is a good idea. As the old bumper sticker says "If guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns."

Where have I called for guns to be criminalized in this thread? Quote me.

 

[Gaius46]

And similarly, someone owning a car and driving it “just because” would be pretty stupid.

People do it all the time. I like to drive my car and take it out just to drive. You call it stupid I call it relaxing.

 

[Questerr]

People do it all the time. I like to drive my car and take it just to drive. You call it stupid I call it relaxing.

Nope. Because relaxation is an actual reason.

Is open carrying longguns in public, making other people very nervous, a form of relaxation?

 

[Outlook]

I love the idea that people CAN carry a rifle openly in public, per their Constitutional right. I am not a fan of those that do it just to poke and provoke people.

No, not everyone can carry a rifle openly in public. It depends on the state and residency status.

 

[Gaius46]

Nope. Because relaxation is an actual reason.

Is open carrying longguns in public, making other people very nervous, a form of relaxation?

Open carrying long guns in public - unless we’re talking hunting - is stupid. It serves no useful purpose that I can see and is actually detrimental to the cause of gun rights because it scares all those moms in Walmart. I suppose you could say the purpose is to show the world that you can carry a rifle while walking down a suburban street but that‘s just idiocy

So reading your follow up posts I understand your position better and agree with you. I made an incorrect assumption in your post that I initially responded to that you were making a general statement about carrying firearms not dealing specifically with people who walk around with rifles just because.

 

[VanceMack]

No, not everyone can carry a rifle openly in public. It depends on the state and residency status.

In states where they have passed laws banning such acts, I blame the citizens of those states for not fighting those unconstitutional laws.

 

[Outlook]

Why would anyone want to carry a long gun in public. If you truly want it for protection, getting it into position to shoot would make it too late, you would be dead. A handgun would be better in that situation. Most use the long gun to just intimidate.

Other than in the news where you see a rally in Michigan or citizens of CHOP carrying rifles, where do you see people carrying rifles in public? Most people who carry, carry a concealed handgun. Some states require you to carry open.

 

[Outlook]

Given that rifles did not exist at the time the constitution was passed, I'm pretty sure there is no provision in there for carrying a rifle in public as a constitutional right.

What? You may want to read up on your history.

 

[Outlook]

I think concealed carry should be federal law. 1 permit good for all states and across state lines.

While I am not sure open carry should be illegal, I do think its stupid.

Totally agree
I have three permits but only good in 37 states.
I have a NYS permit in which I had to jump through hoops to secure. I secured approval from a judge to carry concealed.
However, my NYS permit is no good in NYC.

I had to take a safety class, complete an application, secure references, finger printed, background check. I should be able to carry in all 50 states.
I do recommend that anyone who gets a handgun, good through a class that includes live fire. Know how to use your weapon.

 

[Outlook]

It’s pretty stupid to carry a dangerous weapon for no reason.

You don't think self defense is a reason?

It's pretty stupid to think police will save you. A weapon may not save you, but you might have a fighting chance.
Thank you to the idiots that want to defund police, the streets are more dangerous.
Do you think the criminals that have guns have a legal permit?

 

[Questerr]

You don't think self defense is a reason?

It's pretty stupid to think police will save you. A weapon may not save you, but you might have a fighting chance.
Thank you to the idiots that want to defund police, the streets are more dangerous.
Do you think the criminals that have guns have a legal permit?

No, I absolutely think self defense is a reason. It’s a pretty stupid reason to open carry a longarm anywhere in America outside of Alaska (because there is no threat that justifies it).

I fully support people open carrying handguns for self defense.

 

[CLAX1911]

There is a difference: one is ludicrous overkill. That’s why it’s ridiculous. You don’t need a rifle or shotgun in public for self-defense in America anywhere outside of Alaska. There aren’t threats that justify it.

Why?

 

[Questerr]

Why?

Because there are no threats in most of America that justify open carrying a rifle or shotgun in public. I said that in my post.

 

[CLAX1911]

No, I absolutely think self defense is a reason. It’s a pretty stupid reason to open carry a longarm anywhere in America outside of Alaska (because there is no threat that justifies it).

you keep saying this but it's an opinion without any substance.

Why is it stupid why is it Overkill. Why isn't it justified?

You never answer any of these questions you just keep saying words that really mean very little

I fully support people open carrying handguns for self defense.

I think everyone here understands that you have that opinion I'm just asking for rationalization.

 

[CLAX1911]

Because there are no threats in most of America that justify open carrying a rifle or shotgun in public. I said that in my post.

Based on what?

 

[Questerr]

you keep saying this but it's an opinion without any substance.

Why is it stupid why is it Overkill. Why isn't it justified?

You never answer any of these questions you just keep saying words that really mean very little

I think everyone here understands that you have that opinion I'm just asking for rationalization.

What threat is there in the United States (outside of Alaska) that justifies the level of force of needing to open carry a rifle or shotgun for self defense in public?

 

[Questerr]

Based on what?

Based on the fact that America isn’t a country involved in a civil war or insurgency. We don’t have militia on technicals kidnapping schoolgirls. ISIS isn’t dropping mortars on your grocery store.

We have criminals, a level of threat that can certainly warrant open carrying or concealed carrying a handgun for self defense, but isn’t a threat that needs a rifle or shotgun to be carried everywhere in public.

 

[CLAX1911]

What threat is there in the United States (outside of Alaska) that justifies the level of force of needing to open carry a rifle or shotgun for self defense in public?

Any threat that was justified carrying a handgun.

 

[CLAX1911]

Based on the fact that America isn’t a country involved in a civil war or insurgency. We don’t have militia on technicals kidnapping schoolgirls. ISIS isn’t dropping mortars on your grocery store.

so the only time to use a shotgun is if that's happening why explain?

We have criminals, a level of threat that can certainly warrant open carrying or concealed carrying a handgun for self defense, but isn’t a threat that needs a rifle or shotgun to be carried everywhere in public.

you said something to this effect a thousand times it doesn't make it any more clearer the more you repeat it.

Why?

 

[Questerr]

Any threat that was justified carrying a handgun.

Nope. A handgun is perfectly on par with the level of threat of crime in America.

A rifle or shotgun is overkill for a citizen to open carry for self defense in America.

What is the threat that would warrant needing a rifle or shotgun? Are people routinely being attacked by huge mobs of people in body armor?

 

[Questerr]

so the only time to use a shotgun is if that's happening why explain?
you said something to this effect a thousand times it doesn't make it any more clearer the more you repeat it.

Why?

No, a shotgun is great for other things. For instance, hunting or home defense.

But against the level of threat in public in America, that level of force is unjustified.