Harvard sues the Trump administration over funding cuts (1 Viewer)

[Hatuey]

So how it works here is that Congress authorizes $X for whatever worthy goal it decides that money should be spent upon.
It then tells the Executive to figure out the details on how that money is dispersed.

So-- President Trump has figured out the details.

Congress authorizes money to be spent, it lets the instructions get figured out by another branch, and then that branch can decide whether or not to authorize the spending of that money that congress has already authorized.

Civics 101? Not even once.

 

[trouble13]

I'm sure some radical extremist left wing judge will objectively rule that Harvard is entitled to public funding and Trump has no authority to dictate how that money is spent.

 

[Hatuey]

I'm sure some radical e tremendous left judge will objectively rule that Harvard is entitled to public funding and Trump has no authority to dictate how that money is spent.

The executive dictates how money is spent?

 

[Athanasius68]

no, it doesn't, as argued already... and if this is as good as it gets, I will bid you gnite...time to eat.

Oh-- but it does.
The law gives the Executive discretion on how the funds are spent.
That is why Harvard isn't saying Trump has no authority in making that decision. It's saying that Bidens decision is what controls.

 

[Athanasius68]

Congress authorizes money to be spent, it lets the instructions get figured out by another branch, and then that branch can decide whether or not to authorize the spending of that money that congress has already authorized.

Civics 101? Not even once.

When Congress structures appropriations that way-- yes.

The money that Harvard is suing about wasn't specifically bequeathed to them by Congress.
Congress said $X will be for medical research, science, and so forth, and how those funds are to be actually spent is up to the president.

There is nothing new here. It happens across the board. During the transition, there were stories about nervous Democrats wanting Biden to spend COVID funds, America relief act funds before Trump took the oath. They understood Trump could roll that back.

 

[trouble13]

The executive dictates how money is spent?

If we followed the Constituion the answer would be yes.

 

[Mycroft]

you have shown no evidence

You demanded to know what "legislation" forbade Don from attaching new strings. That passage of Harvard's argument, their "case", directs you to Title VI and the Spending Clause. It directly answers your demand.

sigh...

Give me a quote.

 

[Bodi]

Research funding. Much of it in health - cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc...

I know why... the point is that they are an extremely wealthy institution.

These people need that money more.

Compton CA Women's Shelters, Transitional Housing

Search below and find all of the Women's Shelters and transitional housing in Compton CA.

www.womenshelters.org

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[Bodi]

None of this is the actual point here.

Depends on what people are contending...


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[MamboDervish]

I know why... the point is that they are an extremely wealthy institution.

These people need that money more.

Based on what? Research in cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. seems very important to millions of people.

Compton CA Women's Shelters, Transitional Housing

Search below and find all of the Women's Shelters and transitional housing in Compton CA.

www.womenshelters.org

And there is zero evidence that any of the money slated for the former will be redirected to the latter.

 

[MamboDervish]

If we followed the Constituion the answer would be yes.

No - it would not.

 

[Bodi]

And there is zero evidence that any of the money slated for the former will be redirected to the latter.

It would be directed the same as it is toward Harvard.


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[The Mark]

What makes America great if not it's universities?

Ideally we should have multiple reasons we can point to for being great, but we've kinda slacked off in the last 40 years or so.

 

[Bodi]

Based on what? Research in cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. seems very important to millions of people.

And there is zero evidence that any of the money slated for the former will be redirected to the latter.

You don't think that battered and homeless women in Compton need money more than some researchers at a 50 BILLION dollar institution?


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[MamboDervish]

It would be directed the same as it is toward Harvard.


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It would be directed ?? By whom?

 

[Bodi]

It would be directed ?? By whom?

I have no idea why this is this tough. However Harvard gets their government funding is the same process Compton would.


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[NoMoreDems-Reps]

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5259564-harvard-sues-trump-federal-funding/

Harvard University sued the Trump administration on Monday after the federal government canceled billions of dollars in funding for the Ivy League school.

The lawsuit marks a significant — though expected — escalation in the battle between Harvard and President Trump after the nation’s oldest university rejected administration demands to eliminate diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives and change its admission and hiring practices, among other things.

It's about time institutions stand up to Trump.

LOL!
These leeches asking for handouts are trying to make demands !....

And they are demanding that we institutionalize RACIST/Biased initiatives....

 

[MamboDervish]

You don't think that battered and homeless women in Compton need money more than some researchers at a 50 BILLION dollar institution?


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You're asking the wrong question, which proceeds from a total lack of understanding of how government works. It's as ignorant as asking why the money for the space program isn't going to provide drug rehabilitation centers for addicts, or why the military budget isn't redirected toward feeding children.
"Bu ... bu ... but shouldn't we treat drug addicts? NASA doesn't need to go to Mars" or "Bu ... bu ... but isn't feeding malnourished children more important than the mulit-trillion$ we spend on the arms budget?"

Things don't work that way. You want money for battered and homeless women in Compton? Try asking Musk for some of his billion$. See what he tells you.

 

[Bodi]

You're asking the wrong question, which proceeds from a total lack of understanding of how government works.

Nope. You are overcomplicating it. Try to figure out how so that your post doesn't look so silly.

It's as ignorant as asking why the money for the space program isn't going to provide drug rehabilitation centers for addicts, or why the military budget isn't redirected toward feeding children.
"Bu ... bu ... but shouldn't we treat drug addicts? NASA doesn't need to go to Mars" or "Bu ... bu ... but isn't feeding malnourished children more important than the mulit-trillion$ we spend on the arms budget?"

Things don't work that way. You want money for battered and homeless women in Compton? Try asking Musk for some of his billion$. See what he tells you.

Never said that they did work that way... HINT #1

 

[MamboDervish]

Nope. You are overcomplicating it. Try to figure out how so that your post doesn't look so silly.



Never said that they did work that way... HINT #1

From where I'm sitting, it was your post that looked silly. I guess my analogous examples went over your head ?!!?

 

[Bodi]

From where I'm sitting, it was your post that looked silly. I guess my analogous examples went over your head ?!!?

Dude, LOL. You analogies were irrelevant because they were based off a Straw Man.

I suggest reading it again for comprehension... and then again if necessary.

Or don't, as I suspect you won't. Common problem with average students.

Silly indeed.


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[Felis Leo]

It would be directed the same as it is toward Harvard.


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Was that on the table? Was a Republican-led Congress going to pass a budget giving more money to battered women's shelters, including the one in Compton?

Because that frankly sounds like something they would seek to de-fund if they could.

 

[Bodi]

Was that on the table?

I am not sure...

Was a Republican-led Congress going to pass a budget giving more money to battered women's shelters, including the one in Compton?

Irrelevant.



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[Felis Leo]

I am not sure...



Irrelevant.



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Irrelevant how? You were the one who brought up battered women’s shelters in Compton, California.

 

[Bodi]

Irrelevant how? You were the one who brought up battered women’s shelters in Compton, California.

In context...


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