Stu Ghatze
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Yes, because Clinton was in power at the time of the war. Mmm hmm.Stu Ghatze said:Good, lets clear the air, & while we are all at it lets also bring out the PUBLIC statements of Bill Clinton who opined for war, & that SAdaam could not ever be trusted, ..& also how the New York Times opined the very same things in countless editorials. Ahh...& that was all in 1998-99.
shuamort said:Yes, because Clinton was in power at the time of the war. Mmm hmm.
Stu Ghatze said:The democrats seem to want to believe that the war in Iraq was all based on a lie. Rather strange...as leading democratic senators saw, & heard the very same evidence as President Bush was privy to????
Even Wilson himself today,. does not give satisfactory answers to reporters questions about his "inaccuracies", ..& they are only being kind, as they are lies to many regarding his factfinding trip to Niger on the Uranium story!
Everytime Joe Wilson is interviewed by the media he continually talks MORE about the reasons of going to war in Iraq, than he does his supposed mission to Niger to seek the truth of Sadaam's attempt to obtain Uranium, ..which British Intel STILL maintains as "true"!
By now, everybody knows what Joe Wilson has said about it, & that was their was no truth to it!
THe only truth of it was the fact that Sadaam did not obtain it, ..& the whitehouse ALREADY knew that, ..but Wilson left out the fact that Sadaam DID INDEED ATTEMPT to obtain it!
Over & over again Joe Wilson keeps talking about the war being based all on a lie; ..the VERY same talking points made by the leftwing anti-war elements of the democratic party such as Harry Reid, Ted kennedy, & Dick Durbin etc.!
I'm sorry but yours truly really believes that the democrats are now in trouble with the thought of BUsh getting his new judge nominee; & the fact that Bush has rebounded from all the bad news last week, ..& the democrats are just angry that they could NOT lead Patrick Fitzgerald into indicting Rove, & Cheney, & making MORE political hay out of that grand jury investigation in an effort to bring down the whole Bush administration into an expanded investigation into the reasons for the war in Iraq, .."exactly" where they believe Bush is most vulnerable!
M14 Shooter said:There are any number of quotes from Democrats arguing that Saddam was a threat. If GWB 'misled' the people, they did too.
Stu Ghatze said:Apparently leading democrats were not quite satisfied with "only" Scooter Libby being indicted in the CIA/ leak case; ..as they hoped Karl Rove & Dick Cheney would have been as well.
The democratic strategy seems to be to ride on the back of Joe Wilson into victory in the 08' elections, & are demanding answers to the call of war in Iraq.
The democrats seem to want to believe that the war in Iraq was all based on a lie. Rather strange...as leading democratic senators saw, & heard the very same evidence as President Bush was privy to????
Even Wilson himself today,. does not give satisfactory answers to reporters questions about his "inaccuracies", ..& they are only being kind, as they are lies to many regarding his fact-finding trip to Niger on the Uranium story!
So...what IS the DNC strategy in the senate? It appears it is all about trying to cite Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld & possibly even the president himself for lying to the American people about the reasons to go to war in Iraq!
Good, lets clear the air, & while we are all at it lets also bring out the PUBLIC statements of Bill Clinton who opined for war, & that SAdaam could not ever be trusted, ..& also how the New York Times opined the very same things in countless editorials. Ahh...& that was all in 1998-99.
While the media is out doing their job, lets hope the media also mentions the fact that Tim Russert's wife was employed by "VANITY FAIR Magazine while at the same time the Valerie Plame, & hubby Joe Wilson were recieving all the publicity as the jet setting couple they were.
How DID Tim Russert KNOW of Plames CIA identity before most others? Was Joe Wilson REALLY concerned about his wife's cover being blown? Her picture, & name was plastered all over the magazine.
Everytime Joe Wilson is interviewed by the media he continually talks MORE about the reasons of going to war in Iraq, than he does his supposed mission to Niger to seek the truth of Sadaam's attempt to obtain Uranium, ..which British Intel STILL maintains as "true"!
By now, everybody knows what Joe Wilson has said about it, & that was their was no truth to it!
THe only truth of it was the fact that Sadaam did not obtain it, ..& the whitehouse ALREADY knew that, ..but Wilson left out the fact that Sadaam DID INDEED ATTEMPT to obtain it!
Over & over again Joe Wilson keeps talking about the war being based all on a lie; ..the VERY same talking points made by the leftwing anti-war elements of the democratic party such as Harry Reid, Ted kennedy, & Dick Durbin etc.
Scooter Libby's trial WILL BE WORTH FOLLOWING because ALL INFORMATION, & ALL MISCREANTS will be called as witnesses to assess more than just that charge against Libby for outing Valerie Plame's identity first; & maybe we should allow the democrats to keep the accusations flying into the war's in Iraq's legitimacy!
Perhaps the American people can decide for themselves just who the most probable suspect(s) were that knew long before Libby, & perhaps the democrats who are disingenuinely trying to bring down a presidency based on a war that THEY also endorsed back in 98/99 when Clinton was president!
It appears the democratic party strategy is to empower their party through Joe Wilson, & his talking points, & Bush has been weakened to a degree because the Iraqi war has not concluded.
I'm sorry but yours truly really believes that the democrats are now in trouble with the thought of BUsh getting his new judge nominee; & the fact that Bush has rebounded from all the bad news last week, ..& the democrats are just angry that they could NOT lead Patrick Fitzgerald into indicting Rove, & Cheney, & making MORE political hay out of that grand jury investigation in an effort to bring down the whole Bush administration into an expanded investigation into the reasons for the war in Iraq, .."exactly" where they believe Bush is most vulnerable!
IMO, ..YES it is a pathetic, phoney attempt by senate democrats to look for something that does NOT exist in a vain effort to bring more ridicule, & suspicion upon the president by a willing media that states the very same talking points!
Because not talking about it would make it go away? That doesn't even make sense.Navy Pride said:This is all political grandstanding by the dems to get the subject off the nomination of the new supreme court judge....
Nothing more, nothing less.............
Navy Pride said:This is all political grandstanding by the dems to get the subject off the nomination of the new supreme court judge....
Nothing more, nothing less.............
Navy Pride said:This is all political grandstanding by the dems to get the subject off the nomination of the new supreme court judge....
Nothing more, nothing less.............
Stu Ghatze said:Never in my imagination could I ever have thought that the democratic party could, or would sound, & act in such fashion as it does today, & I need not to list the many, & sundry things that they seem to represent today.
Navy Pride said:I personally think Reid is one of the biggest hypocrites in the senate........He is a Mormon and that religion is pro life and yet he is pro choice......How hypocritical is that?
Stu said:Originally Posted by Stu Ghatze
The democrats seem to want to believe that the war in Iraq was all based on a lie. Rather strange...as leading democratic senators saw, & heard the very same evidence as President Bush was privy to????
aps said:I can't stand when people make this argument. Congress was provided ONLY the information that the Bush Adminstration wanted to share with them. There is NO WAY that Congress knew all the facts that the Bush people did. The Bushies KNEW that there were holes in the intelligence and failed to share that with Congress. I bet if our members in Congress had asked more questions, we would have had more "no" votes for the war.
aps said:Navy Pride, since when does someone of a certain faith have to believe EVERYTHING that the faith believes in?
Hoot said:Absolutely 100% correct, Aps.
Your info has been posted numerous times in this forum, but still we get this "they saw the same intelligence as Bush," argument.
In fact, the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, who did get to see much of the same intelligence as Bush, voted 5-4 against giving Bush authorization to invade Iraq.
Come back in another week, and someone from the 'right' will once again make the same weak argument. The truth hurts too much.
I'm sure Christians who call other people names would be hypocrites too then. "He who is without sin...etc".Navy Pride said:It is a prime premise of the mormon church that life begins at conception and that abortion is wrong...........I don't know how you can pick and choose what issues to obey if you are a mormon, but your right Kennedy and Kerry are both Roman Catholics and support abortion rights............
That is why liberal dems who are people of faith are hypocrites and so are moderate republicans.......
What a steaming pile of partisan horse dung. Liberal Christians interpret the Bible more symbolically than conservatives, that does NOT make them hypocrites. You really ought to take a few college courses and learn that the world is not simple black or white like you always make it out to be.......................Navy Pride said:That is why liberal dems who are people of faith are hypocrites and so are moderate republicans.......
Binary_Digit said:What a steaming pile of partisan horse dung. Liberal Christians interpret the Bible more symbolically than conservatives, that does NOT make them hypocrites. You really ought to take a few college courses and learn that the world is not simple black or white like you always make it out to be.......................
Navy Pride said:If the religion you belong to believes that abortion is murder and if you are for abortion then you are a hypocrite plain and simple.....
aps said:Alright there, Mr. Navy Pride. I think you are misusing the word hypocrite.
Hypocrite: when someone pretends to believe something that they do not really believe or that is the opposite of what they do or say at another time.
http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary/hypocrite
I don't think he can be a hypocrite with respect to abortion and religion. What's he pretending to believe? His faith?
Navy Pride said:If he is a man of faith and his faith teaches him that abortion is wrong and if he is favor of abortion then what does that make him?
I'm tellin'...aps said:His own man.I honestly don't know what it makes him. I committed sins of impurity while I was in graduate school, but went to church faithfully, prayed every day, and said the rosary once a week. I don't think the fact that I committed sins of impurity made me a lesser or bad Catholic.
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