[W:273] U.S. to Repatriate Survivors of Its Strike on Suspected Drug Vessel

[ncguy]

Sending them home allows for them to tell their bosses what happened. Maybe put a stop to it.

You think the bosses need them to tell about their boat blowing bup? Lol
Sure. That's the reason /s

 

[ElChupacabra]

Then what's your plan? Drug rehabilitation for everyone?

Well, not everyone because not everyone needs it but for those who do, most definitely.

Narcan machines on every corner where drugs are sold?

As opposed to symbolic destruction of drug running boats, sure. The Narcan will save lives, while intercepting potential shipments to Europe won't help many Americans.

 

[marduc]

OK, give me some honest answers:

Were the strikes on those boats valid in the first place?

Was Trump wrong to blow up those boats?

What would be the point of trying them as criminals?

Would you feel morally superior if we did?

1) were they valid? that remains to be seen pr demonstrated

2) was Trump wrong? That rains to be seen or demonstrated

3) what would be the point? To ascertain the correct answer to questions 1 and 2 for starters

4) morally superior.. if we did what? Tried them instead of sending them home? Yes that is the way it works. Extrajudicial unnacountability is anathema to our principles as a nation and erodes our trust globall regardless of the alleged threat

Why aren't more people up in arms over Trump's
"Extrajudicial un-accountability"?
You believe people really care about drug smugglers blown out of the water?
And what does it really mean when you write such lack of accountability "erodes our trust globally regardless of the alleged threat".?
Tell me how that affects Trump's ability to deal with world leaders who only know the use of force, access to our U.S. markets for their economic survival, the need for oil and gas from a Western country, and protection under the U.S. nuclear umbrella.

You asked for "HONEST" I gave you the "HONEST" answers you requested.

You then dishonestly ignored my answers and did not even try to even give the slightest attempt at rebuttal.

You doubled down on what I already suspected to be "sea lion mode."

I see your true colors shining through as does everyone else watching your paathetic flailing attempt at debate

 

[jaypatriot]

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Okay, I'll spell it out for you more explicitly this time: these are very likely NOT "drug smugglers". Just because MAGA Jesus gives them a label doesn't mean it's true. It's like when the Dems call Trump "a closet Russian" or whatever. That's why people are asking people like you, where's the evidence that they're drug traffickers? There probably isn't any, because they're probably NOT drug traffickers. Who really knows who they are? The President of Colombia said that some of those killed weren't even from Venezuela, but instead from Colombia.



When our government kills people, I'd like to know why? And I'd like evidence to substantiate it. I think that's a reasonable ask - for any presidential administration, regardless of their party.



Digression noted.

Did you ask for evidence every time someone was killed on the battlefield of Afghanistan? Where was your concern for combatants in Afghanistan spirited away to Guantanamo without due process?
What's the difference between drug smugglers killed on the sea and Muslim fighters in Afghanistan?


You have Dem representatives in Congress who probably agree with you.
Why aren't they chanting the same song in defense of drug smugglers being blown up on the water?

You asked for "HONEST" I gave you the "HONEST" answers you requested.

You then dishonestly ignored my answers and did not even try to even give the slightest attempt at rebuttal.

You doubled down on what I already suspected to be "sea lion mode."

I see your true colors shining through as does everyone else watching your paathetic flailing attempt at debate

Why must one seem angry when debating?
Is that out of frustration or just lack of a strong argument?

 

[Felis Leo]

"The Trump administration has decided to repatriate two survivors of a deadly U.S. strike this week on suspected drug runners in the Caribbean Sea rather than prosecute them or hold them in military detention, people with knowledge of the matter said on Saturday.

...President Trump has previously described people aboard suspected drug-smuggling boats, which the United States has targeted in several deadly airstrikes since early September, as “unlawful combatants.” He has claimed the authority, widely disputed by legal experts, to summarily kill such suspects in military strikes as if they were enemy soldiers in a war.

It was a sharp break from the traditional handling of maritime smuggling, in which the Coast Guard would intercept boats and arrest people if suspicions proved accurate. The decision to transfer the two survivors, however, was in line with the Coast Guard’s practice of repatriating or handing off to friendly countries people who were intercepted outside the United States as suspected traffickers."

Link

So he's either killing them or sending them home.

If they are drug running terrorists, why are they being released?

 

[jaypatriot]

Well, not everyone because not everyone needs it but for those who do, most definitely.


As opposed to symbolic destruction of drug running boats, sure. The Narcan will save lives, while intercepting potential shipments to Europe won't help many Americans.

Why would those boats be potential ships to Europe?
All the way across the Atlantic? In a small boat?

 

[jaypatriot]

Right wingers crave the blood of the innocent, that's why they don't care who gets killed.

And we also drink the blood of sacrificed chickens in the name of good omens.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Why would those boats be potential ships to Europe?

Because that's the destination of most Colombian cocaine going through the Caribbean. They typically move it to the Dominican Republic and other island nations for smuggling via freighters heading to Europe.

All the way across the Atlantic? In a small boat?

Nope, see above. The majority of cocaine coming to the US is shipped via the Pacific Ocean is smuggled through commercial freighters in agricultural products coming from South America. Colombian cartels have expanded their operation to port cities in neighboring South American nations.

 

[snakestretcher]

Maduro is considered a narco-terrorist based on a 2020 federal indictment from the Department of Justice, which charged Maduro and several top officials with corruption, drug trafficking, and narco-terrorism. I'm sure you get the difference between drug smuggling and narco-terrorism
( legal difference)

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Announces Narco-Terrorism Charges Against Nicolas Maduro, Current And Former Venezuelan Officials, And Farc Leadership

www.justice.gov

I wasn't too worried about killing an American citizen who was a really bad terrorist. I am much more concerned with Signature strikes targeting criteria both then and now

Sorry to disabuse you, but American 'charges' carry no legal weight in foreign countries. On the other hand when an international legal body charges America with some wrongdoing, the US squeals 'we don't recognise the court, because it's foreign'.

Military and Paramilitary Activities in and against Nicaragua (Nicaragua v. United States of America)

www.icj-cij.org

 

[Lord of Planar]

That theory seems like a bit of a stretch. The blowing up of the boat was on all the channels....pretty sure "their bosses" already knew about it.

My guess is that Trump had not given a lot of thought to the possibility of survivors. So the situation presented a conundrum that had to be dealt with. As soon as the news agencies learned that the military had prisoners, then the White House had to do something with them.

Sending them back to Venezuela was the "least bad" option. Bringing them back to the US judicial system would have been a public relations nightmare. The press would have tracked every step of the process and it could have been in the headlines for many months.

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I don't think we have proper judicial authority on events at sea. Someone else I bet knows how that works.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Right wingers crave the blood of the innocent, that's why they don't care who gets killed.

Speak about innocent blood....

Weren't you among the many cheering on Obomba when he launched 112 cruise missiles into Libya and continued killing innocent people then?

 

[Lovebug]

This is what MAGAs support and it is ok because "Trump claims".
How is it ever ok, in a land that is supposed to be about law and order, to be accuser, judge, jury and executioner?

 

[hecatmoggie]

This is what MAGAs support and it is ok because "Trump claims".
How is it ever ok, in a land that is supposed to be about law and order, to be accuser, judge, jury and executioner?

because cartels are terrorist groups and hitting them is ok

Obama hit terrorist groups
Biden hit terrorist groups
Trump 1.0 hit terrorist groups

maybe ya'll are scared your coke supply is going to be interrupted ?

 

[Tigerace117]

Did you ask for evidence every time someone was killed on the battlefield of Afghanistan? Where was your concern for combatants in Afghanistan spirited away to Guantanamo without due process?
What's the difference between drug smugglers killed on the sea and Muslim fighters in Afghanistan?


You have Dem representatives in Congress who probably agree with you.
Why aren't they chanting the same song in defense of drug smugglers being blown up on the water?

Why must one seem angry when debating?
Is that out of frustration or just lack of a strong argument?

The Caribbean is not Afghanistan, and these sailors were not shooting at anyone. Trying to equate this to a “battlefield” is nonsensical.

 

[Tigerace117]

because cartels are terrorist groups and hitting them is ok

Obama hit terrorist groups
Biden hit terrorist groups
Trump 1.0 hit terrorist groups

maybe ya'll are scared your coke supply is going to be interrupted ?

Except for the inconvenient fact that the U.S. government hasn’t provided a shred of evidence any of these people were part of “the cartel”.

And given how happily conservatives armed and trained drug dealers to carry out terrorist attacks in places like Nicaragua, your posturing is pathetic.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Except for the inconvenient fact that the U.S. government hasn’t provided a shred of evidence any of these people were part of “the cartel”.

Obama and Trump 1.0 and Biden never had to give me proof when they bombed / killed terrorists before - why would that change now in 2025 ?

 

[jaypatriot]

The Caribbean is not Afghanistan, and these sailors were not shooting at anyone. Trying to equate this to a “battlefield” is nonsensical.

It may be 'non-sensical' to you, but to me it is a practical reaction to smuggling efforts by cartels operating on the sea.
Drug smugglers on the sea are not going to shoot at oncoming missiles or naval assets deploying those weapons.
What is your concern for drug smugglers on the sea?
Are any of them your relatives or fellow anti-Trumpers who need a moral defense from you?
Do you really need more reasons to detest the duly elected president of America? Are you looking for a taller moral high horse?

 

[jaypatriot]

Because that's the destination of most Colombian cocaine going through the Caribbean. They typically move it to the Dominican Republic and other island nations for smuggling via freighters heading to Europe.


Nope, see above. The majority of cocaine coming to the US is shipped via the Pacific Ocean is smuggled through commercial freighters in agricultural products coming from South America. Colombian cartels have expanded their operation to port cities in neighboring South American nations.

Your description seems to suggest those smugglers using small, fast boats need to be stopped before they reach those ports in South America and freighters bound for Europe.

 

[Tigerace117]

Obama and Trump 1.0 and Biden never had to give me proof when they bombed / killed terrorists before - why would that change now in 2025 ?

Previous US leaders were absolutely challenged on morally dubious strikes, so your claim is blatantly false.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Obama and Trump 1.0 and Biden never had to give me proof when they bombed / killed terrorists before - why would that change now in 2025 ?

I am ok with targeting drug traffikrts and terrorists. The problem is that unless youareusing a sniper, thereis almost always inno ent casualties. Targeting a speedboat at sea... no innocentcasualties.

 

[Tigerace117]

It may be 'non-sensical' to you, but to me it is a practical reaction to smuggling efforts by cartels operating on the sea.
Drug smugglers on the sea are not going to shoot at oncoming missiles or naval assets deploying those weapons.
What is your concern for drug smugglers on the sea?
Are any of them your relatives or fellow anti-Trumpers who need a moral defense from you?
Do you really need more reasons to detest the duly elected president of America? Are you looking for a taller moral high horse?

There is no evidence any of these people were part of a drug cartel.

What about that aren’t you grasping?

Are you under the impression killing random civilians would deter the drug cartels? Because there’s decades of evidence showing how false that is.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Your description seems to suggest those smugglers using small, fast boats need to be stopped before they reach those ports in South America and freighters bound for Europe.

The fast boats aren't going to ports in South America. Reread what I wrote.

 

[Lord of Planar]

There is no evidence any of these people were part of a drug cartel.

How do you know thereis no evidence? You sysyenebt sounds like a lie to me. Just becsuse they do sot shate srcret i telligence operations fors not mean they have no evifence. I will bet they have sound actionable evidence.

What about that aren’t you grasping?

Are you under the impression killing random civilians would deter the drug cartels? Because there’s decades of evidence showing how false that is.

They are not random kills.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Previous US leaders were absolutely challenged on morally dubious strikes, so your claim is blatantly false.

ok ...

During his eight years in office, President Obama authorized a significantly higher number of counterterrorism strikes, primarily drone strikes, than his predecessor, with over 500 total strikes in countries such as Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Different non-governmental organizations provide varying estimates, with figures ranging from approximately 400 to over 560 strikes depending on the source and the specific areas included (e.g., whether active war zones like Afghanistan are counted).


Do you remember them? The justification Obama gave every strike?

Be honest - you don't .... nor do I, I never asked. I assumed Obama was doing the strikes on terrorists as needed

 

[hecatmoggie]

I am ok with targeting drug traffikrts and terrorists. The problem is that unless youareusing a sniper, thereis almost always inno ent casualties. Targeting a speedboat at sea... no innocentcasualties.

war is like that, actions against terrorism/terrorists are like that

its part of it