Haaretz: Israel has been defeated. A total defeat.

[Dans La Lune]

Really Mehdi Hasan another dishonest charlatan

Funny how everyone who disagrees with you happens to be an antisemite or charlatan.

 

[Real blank]

Funny how everyone who disagrees with you happens to be an antisemite or charlatan.

I don’t generally call people antisemites but Mehdi Hasan seems to say different things to different audiences

 

[Dans La Lune]

I don’t generally call people antisemites but Mehdi Hasan seems to say different things to different audiences

I don't really know what that video is claiming, but you do realize that Medhi Hassan is only like 40 right? He looks like a teenager in those videos.

 

[bomberfox]

I think he does hate Israel though

I wouldn't take accusations from craig seriously.

 

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I don't really know what that video is claiming, but you do realize that Medhi Hassan is only like 40 right? He looks like a teenager in those videos.

He was in his 20s but where was the point he changed his views when he realised it wouldn’t be good for his media career ?

 

[Dans La Lune]

I think that in the same way that Netanyahu has continued an utterly ruthless siege on the civilians and kept the war going so as to stay in power - Iran has just cemented another premiership for him. Wars are usually always good for a sitting leader.

Well, the whole point of Israel attacking Iran in the first place was to get a response, and hopefully have them make a mistake that would escalate the situation. And despite Iran having been dragged kicking and screaming into a response, they telegraphed the attack and only targeted military points, not civilian ones.

It's pretty bad when Iran is the most reasonable, rational actor on the stage.

 

[Dans La Lune]

He was in his 20s but where was the point he changed his views when he realised it wouldn’t be good for his media career ?

I don't really know the context of the comments or what they were, but I honestly don't care what someone says in their 20s if they sound perfectly reasonable in their 40s. The whole point of human existence is to be better than we were yesterday, much less 20 years ago.

Is this really the best you have on him? Pretty weak, and I see Douglas Murray's name mentioned quite a lot in that link. What's up? Seems like a right-wing attempt to dig up some obscure BS that no one cares about.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Who have I been brainwashed by I’m not saying all critics of Israel I’m saying a particular person

Owen Jones, Medhi Hassan. Shall we try more names? I bet there isn't a single effective critic of Israel you would accept as legitimate.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Mehdi wasn't fired because he was a charlatan, but because he was effective.

 

[Real blank]

Well, the whole point of Israel attacking Iran in the first place was to get a response, and hopefully have them make a mistake that would escalate the situation. And despite Iran having been dragged kicking and screaming into a response, they telegraphed the attack and only targeted military points, not civilian ones.

It's pretty bad when Iran is the most reasonable, rational actor on the stage.

Must be the same kind of reluctance they have when they have to stone a woman to death

 

[Mr Person]

No, it's like I said. Saying a critic of Israel (worse than Hamas)'s actions 'hates Israel' is a lie to attack the critic and evade the criticism.

The above poster says that Hamas, an organization dedicated to destroying Israel and killing all the Jews, is worse than the Jewish-majority country it wants to annihilate. An agenda that strong renders opinions irrelevant.

And the reason Israel is trying to provoke WW3 is because it knows that it has been defeated.

Saying what can't be said: Israel has been defeated – a total defeat

The War's Aims Won't Be Achieved, the Hostages Won't Be Returned Through Military Pressure, Security Won't Be Restored and Israel's International Ostracism Won't End

www.haaretz.com

At any rate, it seems the author of the article - which is paywalled - has an equally strong agenda. Whatever he says, it cannot possibly be sensible. Israel has not been "defeated" in any sense. Having tried everything else to tame Hamas, they realized that they have to end it because Hamas will just keep right on slaughtering Jews. They've repeatedly promised more 10/7 events ever since they did it.

Well, the whole point of Israel attacking Iran in the first place was to get a response, and hopefully have them make a mistake that would escalate the situation. And despite Iran having been dragged kicking and screaming into a response, they telegraphed the attack and only targeted military points, not civilian ones.

It's pretty bad when Iran is the most reasonable, rational actor on the stage.

Lie.

Israel attacked the consulate to get the mastermind of 10/7, and they did. Maybe Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah, and surrounding arabic countries especially Iran should have accepted the 1947 two-state proposal instead of trying to annihilate Israel and its Jewish inhabitants. When you do that kind of thing for decades and decades and decades, and you're always the side breaking cease-fires, attacking, provoking, then the country you are violating is going to ramp up the severity of responses.

 

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Mehdi wasn't fired because he was a charlatan, but because he was effective.

No he wasn’t fired because he is a charlatan that time

 

[Real blank]

Owen Jones, Medhi Hassan. Shall we try more names? I bet there isn't a single effective critic of Israel you would accept as legitimate.

Yes try more names , I also think norm Finkelstein is a nut

 

[Dans La Lune]

Must be the same kind of reluctance they have when they have to stone a woman to death

Ah, so you're just anti-Muslim, that explains a lot. I'm sure you hold Israel to the same standard when it engages in mass atrocities.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Yes try more names , I also think norm Finkelstein is a nut

But Alan Dershowitz isn't.

Or Mark Regev. Or Netanyahu. Or the entire Israeli cabinet. Or [insert IDF spokesman],

 

[Lycanthrope]

Does being against Israeli policies = anti-Semitism? Asking for a friend.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Does being against Israeli policies = anti-Semitism? Asking for a friend.

According to the ADL, yes. If you look at like 90% of the incidents involved in the rise of antisemitism, they are stuff like "free Palestine".

 

[Real blank]

But Alan Dershowitz isn't.

Or Mark Regev. Or Netanyahu. Or the entire Israeli cabinet. Or [insert IDF spokesman],

Why would saying that assume I feel the opposite to them

 

[Real blank]

Ah, so you're just anti-Muslim, that explains a lot. I'm sure you hold Israel to the same standard when it engages in mass atrocities.

Being anti stoning makes you anti Muslim ? Does the Iranian regime represent all Muslims ? More like barely any

 

[Dans La Lune]

The above poster says that Hamas, an organization dedicated to destroying Israel and killing all the Jews, is worse than the Jewish-majority country it wants to annihilate. An agenda that strong renders opinions irrelevant.

I think the current Israeli government is far worse than Hamas.

Israel attacked the consulate to get the mastermind of 10/7, and they did. Maybe Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah, and surrounding arabic countries especially Iran should have accepted the 1947 two-state proposal instead of trying to annihilate Israel and its Jewish inhabitants. When you do that kind of thing for decades and decades and decades, and you're always the side breaking cease-fires, attacking, provoking, then the country you are violating is going to ramp up the severity of responses.

You should work at the New York Times.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Being anti stoning makes you anti Muslim ? Does the Iranian regime represent all Muslims ? More like barely any

Stoning is banned in Iran, so not sure what you're talking about.

When the IDF sniper-assassinates journalists, doctors, humanitarian aid works, or arm and support Israeli settlers in their atrocities, you have a track record of calling it out?

 

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Stoning is banned in Iran, so not sure what you're talking about.

When the IDF sniper-assassinates journalists, doctors, humanitarian aid works, or arm and support Israeli settlers in their atrocities, you have a track record of calling it out?

FALQs: Execution by Stoning and Privacy Laws Related to Sexual Crimes in Iran and Afghanistan | In Custodia Legis

This post examines the prevalence of stoning for the crimes of homosexuality and adultery in Afghanistan and Iran, the legal basis for imposing the punishment, and the availability of privacy protections for victims of sex-related crimes.

blogs.loc.gov

Still happens

 

[stevecanuck]

No, there has been an immense amount of false uses of the word antisemitism by fascists to attack their critics, cheapening the word.

No, there has been an immense amount of false uses of the word antisemitism fascist by fascists progressives to attack their critics, cheapening the word. There, fixed it for ya.

 

[Craig234]

When the IDF sniper-assassinates journalists, doctors, humanitarian aid works, or arm and support Israeli settlers in their atrocities, you have a track record of calling it out?

He replied and didn't answer. Which is ok, we have the answer.

 

[Dans La Lune]

He replied and didn't answer. Which is ok, we have the answer.

While we can call out all executions, in all countries, he cannot even call out women, children and doctors being snipered by the IDF. It's classic racism. Israel get the benefit of the doubt because it is a white colonial project. Period, full stop.