Guys who need 30 and 100 round mags need to ask why do they need that

[TXNormalGOP]

Or perhaps it would be more like Waco, where the government uses police forces rather than the military.

Waco was a law enforcement action. Also, do you have anything a little more current?

 

[Rucker61]

Waco was a law enforcement action. Also, do you have anything a little more current?

Right, and law enforcement actions at the federal level are the type of tyranny that we would see long before tanks and missiles.

Would you support a tyrannical government sending out tanks and missiles against citizens?

 

[Glitch]

lol no

lol yes. Clearly you have no clue how rifles got their name.

 

[rahl]

lol yes. Clearly you have no clue how rifles got their name.

It's not my fault you don't know how firearms are defined. Rifling has no relevance. Many shotguns have rifled barrels.

 

[Glitch]

A rifled barrel is not what defines a rifle, or a shotgun. A rile can have a smooth bore, and a shotbgun can have a rifled bore.

A rifled barrel is precisely what defines a rifle. It cannot be a rifle without a rifled barrel. Smooth-bore barreled firearms cannot be rifles. They can be muskets, blunderbusses, shotguns, or any number of things, but the one thing they are not is a rifle.

 

[Rucker61]

It's not my fault you don't know how firearms are defined. Rifling has no relevance. Many shotguns have rifled barrels.

They do, but according to the ATF, rifles need rifling to be rifles.

 

[rahl]

A rifled barrel is precisely what defines a rifle.

No it isn't. It's why there are rifled barrel shotguns.

It cannot be a rifle without a rifled barrel. Smooth-bore barreled firearms cannot be rifles. They can be muskets, blunderbusses, shotguns, or any number of things, but the one thing they are not is a rifle.

except for the smooth bore rifles out there, and rifled barrel shotguns.

 

[Glitch]

Or perhaps it would be more like Waco, where the government uses police forces rather than the military.

Actually, at Waco you had federal law enforcement using military equipment, wearing military uniforms, and using military tactics because they were trained by the military, so what is the difference really? They weren't enforcing the law, they intentionally slaughtered 76 Branch Davidians, including 25 children. Clinton's atrocity at Waco cost him the Congress the following year, and another 168 deaths, with 680 wounded, at the hands of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols the year after that.

How many alleged illegal firearms did the BATFE obtain at their Waco raid? Do you think it was worth the cost in lives?

 

[RF667799]

No it isn't. It's why there are rifled barrel shotguns.

except for the smooth bore rifles out there, and rifled barrel shotguns.

I'm not sure something can be a rifle without rifling. But I do believe something can have a rifled barrel and still be a shotgun.

 

[Rucker61]

I'm not sure something can be a rifle without rifling. But I do believe something can have a rifled barrel and still be a shotgun.

Or a handgun.

 

[Glitch]

No it isn't. It's why there are rifled barrel shotguns.

except for the smooth bore rifles out there, and rifled barrel shotguns.

It is very simply. If the barrel of the firearm is rifled and at least 16 inches in length, then it is considered a rifle. Otherwise it is not. The caliber of the firearm does not matter.

 

[rahl]

It is very simply. If the barrel of the firearm is rifled and at least 16 inches in length, then it is considered a rifle.

This is hilariously false. It's why rifled barrel SHOTGUNS are quite common.

Otherwise it is not. The caliber of the firearm does not matter.

Yes it does. It's why there are rifled barrel shotguns, which are not rifles lol.

 

[RF667799]

I'm saying nobody has taken away your gun/s. You are calling people irrational idiots while saying I should be polite? Where did I step over the polite line anyway?

I'm saying there is a political movement to take away guns. At one point, they did ban guns with certain cosmetic features. So are those advocates liars, or what?

I don't marginalize your weed hobby and call it a security blanket. Yet you chose to pursue that line of snark with me.

 

[rahl]

They do, but according to the ATF, rifles need rifling to be rifles.

I concede this point. That to be considered a rifle, it must have a rifled barrel. I am refuting Glitches claim that any rifled barrel, is a rifle. There are millions of rifled barrel SHOTGUNS currently in the US.

 

[Glitch]

This is hilariously false. It's why rifled barrel SHOTGUNS are quite common.

Yes it does. It's why there are rifled barrel shotguns, which are not rifles lol.

You obviously are completely clueless. It is only a shotgun if it has a smooth-bored barrel. There are rifles that fire rounds larger than .65 cal., and they are rifles. Like the 950 JDJ that fires a 0.95 caliber round down a rifled barrel.



Caliber means absolutely nothing, it is only whether the barrel is rifled or not that matters. Get a clue.

 

[Rucker61]

You obviously are completely clueless. It is only a shotgun if it has a smooth-bored barrel. There are rifles that fire rounds larger than .65 cal., and they are rifles. Like the 950 JDJ that fires a 0.95 caliber round down a rifled barrel.

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Caliber means absolutely nothing, it is only whether the barrel is rifled or not that matters. Get a clue.

So shotguns with rifled barrels are actually rifles?

 

[Rucker61]

It is very simply. If the barrel of the firearm is rifled and at least 16 inches in length, then it is considered a rifle. Otherwise it is not. The caliber of the firearm does not matter.

I have multiple firearms with rifled barrels that are shorter than 16" that are rifles.

 

[rahl]

You obviously are completely clueless. It is only a shotgun if it has a smooth-bored barrel.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/remington-model-870-express-pump-action-shotgun-with-rifled-slug-barrel

so is this 12ga shotgun with a rifled barrel, a rifle?

Put down your shovel glitch. It's embarrassing.

There are rifles that fire rounds larger than .65 cal., and they are rifles. Like the 950 JDJ that fires a 0.95 caliber round down a rifled barrel.

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Caliber means absolutely nothing, it is only whether the barrel is rifled or not that matters. Get a clue.

Nope. It's why there are rifled barrel shotguns. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[RF667799]

You obviously are completely clueless. It is only a shotgun if it has a smooth-bored barrel. There are rifles that fire rounds larger than .65 cal., and they are rifles. Like the 950 JDJ that fires a 0.95 caliber round down a rifled barrel.

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Caliber means absolutely nothing, it is only whether the barrel is rifled or not that matters. Get a clue.

My state only allows shotguns (or muzzleloaders, but beside the point) to be used during firearm deer season. They allow rifled barrels in those shotguns.

 

[Glitch]

So shotguns with rifled barrels are actually rifles?

When using a solid round, absolutely. When they are using shot, then they are shotguns, regardless of whether they are rifled or not.

The opposite is not true, however. A smooth-bored shotgun firing a solid round is not a rifle, since it requires rifling to be a rifle.

 

[rahl]

When using a solid round, absolutely.

lol no.

When they are using shot, then they are shotguns, regardless of whether they are rifled or not.

Nope. A shotgun can, and millions do, have rifled barrels and fire a solid slug or sabot round

 

[Rucker61]

When using a solid round, absolutely. When they are using shot, then they are shotguns, regardless of whether they are rifled or not.

Where do you dig up this private definition? When my .357 SP101 fires shot, is it a shotgun?

 

[Glitch]

lol no.

Nope. A shotgun can, and millions do, have rifled barrels and fire a solid slug or sabot round

Yes they do, and they are considered rifles, not shotguns. A firearm with a rifled barrel is only a shotgun when using shot, and it can be any caliber. For example, you can turn a Marlin Model 1894 lever-action rifle into a shotgun by loading the .44 cal. rounds with shot instead of lead. It is the shot that is used that defines a shotgun, not the specific weapon.

 

[Lursa]

Let me ask you this. How many of these mass shooters were not criminals until they went on their shooting sprees? Even after their rampages they were still not criminals because they have not been convicted of a crime, yet.

Please answer my questions first before asking more of your own.

 

[Lursa]

I have been hearing this same trash from gun owners for decades and if you are old enough and honest enough, you too have been hearing it for decades and yet nobody is taking away anybody's security blanket.

That's what they said about abortion...they talked about it for decades after RvW and then one day...it was over, done, gone...an entire right that had been recognized by the federal courts. Not a Const right like the 2A but a right recognized and listed protected under the 9th Amendment.