Guy with Gun Blows Away College Student in Traffic

[jet57]

You have no idea what we are talking about. Here let me enlighten you...



I pointed out that this narrative is blatantly false and provided evidence to show this...



So no Jet. It is the exact and polar opposite. This attitude people like yourself and Calamity display is exactly why someone like Trump got elected. You are so disconnected from the real world you ignore actual facts and data for hyperbole and let emotion rather than logic guide you off the cliff's edge.

So no Jet, just no.

Uh, yes; you keep missing the point y a country mile.

 

[zsu2357]

Why don't you wish for world peace while you are at it, just as realistic a goal.

I think I know the name of the town...It's either Utopia or Pleasantville

 

[Black Dog]

Keep up. He turned himself in today. And, guess what? He was a legal gun owner.

So what? One guy does not change YEAR'S worth of statistics and evidence I have posted many times now. Or the fact you lied about the OP. Or the fact that you have a greater chance of being killed by the police. How about the fact you have a greater chance of ...

Well let's look at the odds...

#1 1 in 6 Heart disease
#2 1 in 7 Cancer
#3 1 in 28 Stroke
#4 1 in 85 All types of land vehicle accidents
#5 1 in 115 Intentional self harm
#6 1 in 139 Accidental poisoning and drug overdose
#7 1 in 184 Falls
#8 1 in 272 Car accident
#9 1 in 289 Exposure to narcotics and hallucinogens
# 10 1 in 300 Assault by firearm

Perspective.

 

[Black Dog]

I think I know the name of the town...It's either Utopia or Pleasantville

Deep in the heart of Fantasy Land.

 

[Black Dog]

Uh, yes; you keep missing the point y a country mile.

And what is that point Jet? That the NRA is evil incarnate and only cares for the gun manufacturers? So what? Has nothing to do with the OP or this debate. your inane ramblings are meaningless.

 

[calamity]

So what? One guy does not change YEAR'S worth of statistics and evidence I have posted many times now. Or the fact you lied about the OP. Or the fact that you have a greater chance of being killed by the police. How about the fact you have a greater chance of ...

Well let's look at the odds...

#1 1 in 6 Heart disease
#2 1 in 7 Cancer
#3 1 in 28 Stroke
#4 1 in 85 All types of land vehicle accidents
#5 1 in 115 Intentional self harm
#6 1 in 139 Accidental poisoning and drug overdose
#7 1 in 184 Falls
#8 1 in 272 Car accident
#9 1 in 289 Exposure to narcotics and hallucinogens
# 10 1 in 300 Assault by firearm

Perspective.

Unless you happen to be the girl who accidentally pissed off a nut with a gun. :roll:

 

[zsu2357]

=calamity;1067371542]You're the one trying to point out that my assumption that there is no risk of a home invasion homicide in my neighborhood

How about why is there no risk in your neighborhood? Is it gated with armed guards or something that makes it special help us understand why. If I were dumb enough to be a home invader I sure wouldn't do it in my
neighborhood I'd go elsewhere like a little town where nothing ever happens and people leave their doors unlocked at night.

somehow compares to yours that there is only a low risk of a legal gun owner committing murder. Like I said, when your number is zero, I'll listen. Until then, there is no comparison.

I think no I know BD is right you set an impossible goal so you'll never have to listen.

 

[zsu2357]

Well, then tool up and lock yourself in a panic room. Beats driving down the highway and shooting an innocent girl.

WTF! Not even trying to answer that.

 

[calamity]

WTF! Not even trying to answer that.

Seems to be a trend in this thread: discuss everything and anything to avoid addressing the subject of the OP: an innocent girl shot dead by a nut with a gun, who is a legal gun owner, as it turns out.

 

[Black Dog]

Unless you happen to be the girl who accidentally pissed off a nut with a gun. :roll:

Or you are the victim of a mugging or a gang member of a rival gang etc, etc.

Perspective.

 

[calamity]

How about why is there no risk in your neighborhood? Is it gated with armed guards or something that makes it special help us understand why. If I were dumb enough to be a home invader I sure wouldn't do it in my
neighborhood I'd go elsewhere like a little town where nothing ever happens and people leave their doors unlocked at night.

I think no I know BD is right you set an impossible goal so you'll never have to listen.

Who knows why? It's just a safe community. Two murders in twenty years within the village limits, and both of those were drug related, where people who knew each other were beefing.

Outside the village? Different story. My buddy was killed in a home invasion. He had a gun too. Lot of good it did him though.

 

[calamity]

Or you are the victim of a mugging or a gang member of a rival gang etc, etc.

Perspective.

True that.

If I was a chick, I'd probably carry. If I lived alone as a female, like my buddy's neighbor, I'd have a gun nearby. If I was leaving a nut or recently fired one, like my buddy did, I'd never go one second without a gun being within reach. Both of those victims would probably still be alive if they followed those rules.

 

[jet57]

And what is that point Jet? That the NRA is evil incarnate and only cares for the gun manufacturers? So what? Has nothing to do with the OP or this debate. your inane ramblings are meaningless.

Here's what I'm responding to:

It is not only a valid argument backed up by tangible fact, it is the reality of the situation. You don't like being called on your bull**** agenda, and that is exactly what it is.

Just because others have common sense about gun policies in this country that in no way reflects any kind of BS agenda.

The BS agenda belongs to the phony patriotic NRA and the gun industry.

 

[BretJ]

Seems to be a trend in this thread: discuss everything and anything to avoid addressing the subject of the OP: an innocent girl shot dead by a nut with a gun, who is a legal gun owner, as it turns out.

What do you want to discuss? He was caught and now he will see his day in court...

 

[Black Dog]

Here's what I'm responding to:

Just because others have common sense about gun policies in this country that in no way reflects any kind of BS agenda.

The BS agenda belongs to the phony patriotic NRA and the gun industry.

I already proved his agenda is unrealistic and based on some kind of utopian ideals that can never be reached. Now you come in out of no place armed with your lame opinion (that no one cared about to begin with) and spout nonsense about the NRA.

Jet, you might want to purchase a clue at some point, or at least stay on topic.

 

[calamity]

What do you want to discuss? He was caught and now he will see his day in court...

Well, in my mind a good point of discussion is trying to evaluate why a young, healthy male thinks he needs a gun just to drive down the road and. more importantly, why he thinks shooting someone who cut him off was a good idea?

 

[Black Dog]

True that.

If I was a chick, I'd probably carry. If I lived alone as a female, like my buddy's neighbor, I'd have a gun nearby. If I was leaving a nut or recently fired one, like my buddy did, I'd never go one second without a gun being within reach. Both of those victims would probably still be alive if they followed those rules.

I don't know about all that I am just pointing out that we have a problem with violent crime but no one wants to address the actual crime??? Removing guns will undoubtedly save lives. It will not however curb or reduce crime. In fact it may well alleviate one while problem (gun deaths) while creating one that may be far worse as you are now removing the ability for weaker members of society any reliable self defence. Of course that is just my opinion, but it is based on the facts I have pointed out.

I don't think wanting to save lives is in any way a bad thing. I do however do not want to be disarmed in the process.

 

[Black Dog]

Well, in my mind a good point of discussion is trying to evaluate why a young, healthy male thinks he needs a gun just to drive down the road and. more importantly, why he thinks shooting someone who cut him off was a good idea?

Who knows? You know as much as any of us and that is mostly speculation as police have released no real details outside of the charges.

 

[calamity]

I don't know about all that I am just pointing out that we have a problem with violent crime but no one wants to address the actual crime??? Removing guns will undoubtedly save lives. It will not however curb or reduce crime. In fact it may well alleviate one while problem (gun deaths) while creating one that may be far worse as you are now removing the ability for weaker members of society any reliable self defence. Of course that is just my opinion, but it is based on the facts I have pointed out.

I don't think wanting to save lives is in any way a bad thing. I do however do not want to be disarmed in the process.

Well, let's look at the case at hand. Clearly this guy has no felony convictions on his record. So, he is both free to walk the streets and free to won a gun. How do we stop a guy like that from shooting a college kid for no reason other than he was pissed that she cut him off?

 

[Black Dog]

Well, let's look at the case at hand. Clearly this guy has no felony convictions on his record.

You are probably correct, but it would not be the first time someone slipped through the system.

So, he is both free to walk the streets and free to own a gun. How do we stop a guy like that from shooting a college kid for no reason other than he was pissed that she cut him off?

We don't, it's already illegal. Unless you want to invoke the mind police, not much we can do about it. He is behind bars where he should be. He will never see the light of freedom again. No law or system we have has been able to stop 100% of crime, it's not reasonalbe to expect it to. Not saying don't reach for it, but we know it is currently unattainable.

 

[calamity]

You are probably correct, but it would not be the first time someone slipped through the system.



We don't, it's already illegal. Unless you want to invoke the mind police, not much we can do about it. He is behind bars where he should be. He will never see the light of freedom again. No law or system we have has been able to stop 100% of crime, it's not reasonalbe to expect it to. Not saying don't reach for it, but we know it is currently unattainable.

Well, I can point to a few of my pet peeves. One is we let violent offenders out far to soon and often just let them skate with suspended sentences and put them on probation. I can't count how many times I see that this or that murderer has a rap sheet a mile long, most of those offenses forming a straight line, leading right on up to him eventually committing that final act.

Another pet peeve is the way our system handles domestic violence, menacing and stalking. Again, I cannot count how many times I've read where estranged dude beat, hunted and eventually killed his ex. Police reports filed for each offense, arrests made, judges slapping him on the wrist and, low and behold, he takes that final step, and the ex is dead.

 

[justabubba]

Your posts say different as do your obvious motives. Guns are not the problem, that is your often repeated mistake. Violent crime is the problem. You however have no interest in that because it does not fit into your fantasy world.

Bianca Nikol Roberson says you are wrong

 

[BretJ]

Bianca Nikol Roberson says a gun in this guy's hands was a problem. The other 99.99%
don't have a problem.

Corrected your post for accuracy.

 

[TurtleDude]

Well, let's look at the case at hand. Clearly this guy has no felony convictions on his record. So, he is both free to walk the streets and free to won a gun. How do we stop a guy like that from shooting a college kid for no reason other than he was pissed that she cut him off?

well if the thought of being someone's prison bitch for 40 years doesn't deter someone, about the only thing that will stop someone like that is to waste him before he can kill an innocent

 

[calamity]

well if the thought of being someone's prison bitch for 40 years doesn't deter someone, about the only thing that will stop someone like that is to waste him before he can kill an innocent

Apparently he was such a good shot, he took her out on the first try. Not much chance for anyone to do much, yet alone mount a defense.