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Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]


Well, either way, it worked out for us in the end! So there's that...
 
CalGun said:
Maybe instead of the US making Mexico a state....Mexico will just annex the US.

I vote we give em So Cal? I'll miss Disney but I can't afford it anymore anyway....
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I say give em' Miami. The language of origin there hasn't been english in decades. But then again, California is just about our worst state for education, so there's that...
 
Lock down the border tight...build an Israeli-style wall if necessary (would cost a tiny fraction of one year's military budget).

Give amnesty to all those illegals that have not been convicted of violent crimes...boot everyone else out.

Anyone that slips through - send them back immediately...no excuses.
 

I like your idea! We need to start electing silver robots to public office.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I like your idea! We need to start electing silver robots to public office.
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Lol...I had no idea what you meant there for a few seconds.

Marvin thanks you...but now he is so depressed.
 

Send them back to where they belong.
once their kids get to be 18 they can come here if they want to. they can then sponser their families.


breaking the law should not be rewarded something that other people struggle to get legally.
rewarding bad behavior only breeds more bad behavior.

you let these in what do you do with the next 11m that illegally cross? just let them have citizenship to?
they are living here illegally.

you go break the law and see what happens they cart you off to jail. they break the law and we give them citizenship. what stupid logic.
 

Not so fast buckaroo, illegals are afforded certain rights in our constitution such as the 14th, 4th & 5th amendments
 

What laws are you speaking of?

You do realize what a burden this would put on our already overcrowded prison system.
 
American said:
How did they live their whole lives here if they just crossed over?
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Not all of them did. There's no time elapse for being undocumented as far as I know, so shipping all the undocumented immigrants would consequently include shipping those that have been here for a long time and even those that were born here.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Given that these are not mere criminals, but foreign invaders, I would say that this meets the Constitutional definition of treason.
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by definition they are not invaders .
 

I think these illegals should be dumped in John McCain's house, Nancy Pelosi's house, George Bush's house,Barrack Obama's house and other houses of piece of ****s calling for amnesty or some sort of legal status for illegals. Maybe if they had to personally pay for the costs of these illegals they wouldn't be so willing to take force others in the US to deal with them.
 
You said most, back it up, show us this known fact? Your opinion is no fact. I really doubt it. You want to believe what you do to fit your narrative. Prove it. Otherwise state your opinions and leave the facts to people who know them and stop trying to make them up.


TeleKat said:
Evidence for what? It's a known fact.
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An open border believer said illegals just mow lawns and are not hired by employers. This presentation suggested some may work for fast food, but again that is an employer with a Federal Employee ID and we simply need to take their license away for hiring criminals. Require the use of everify.

And you are right. Take 10 million employed criminals out and the low end job market will soar in value.


 

Yep, totally agreed. It's too bad presidents for fifty years have left our southern border unsecured, drawing millions of illegal immigrants through the years, granting amnesty, and yet its as though Obama took office and opened the border gates. Partisan politics is that un effective. If people had been Americans first, asses and elephants second, such demands as you post (and there quite legitimate) would have been in place all along.
 

Our southren Border has never been locked down. Not in 50 years...not in 500 years.
 

NO AMNESTY - EVER. Immediate deportation is the only option.
 


I thought Obama touted himself as "the Great Transformer"? Now we find out that was BS just like the rest of his phony image crap.
 
mbig said:
Huh?

1. How does that address what Calgun said?
Are you trying to refute him.. or back him up?
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Considering he questioned whether illegals do jobs Americans don't want to do and I supported TeleKat's assertion. No. I didn't back him up. Learn to read.


Only it wouldn't necessarily as there are three other options. Businesses don't have to hire illegal immigrants for those wages. There are plenty of legal immigrants willing to do those jobs for what? A dollar more. The fact is that illegal immigrants are willing to do them for a lower price than their legal brethren. If a legal immigrant does it for 8, the illegal will do it for 5. That's not going to raise the wage for an American expecting 13$ USD for the same job.

great!

What's YOUR point?

You clearly went back in the string, but didn't read it well.
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My point is that your confirmation bias and inability to read past what you think benefits you is silly. Illegal immigrants are a response to Americans wanting to be overpaid. Once you "banish them", there will be legal immigrants willing to do those jobs for a few more dollars. The wages won't magically go up because illegal immigrants are gone and market readjustments will have to come from a few places (some which are outright anti-capitalist).
 
j-mac said:
I thought Obama touted himself as "the Great Transformer"? Now we find out that was BS just like the rest of his phony image crap.
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Yep! Americans thought similar with Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter...............it's just not coming. Would be funny if you think the next GOP president will be the one to deliver.
 
But illegals DO do jobs that Americans don't want to do, here in my neck of the woods is a Tyson chicken processing plant, the neighbouring town is referred to as little Mexico. You'll find no whites employed there save in management. It's very VERY nasty work. This is one example of why I continue to point out, big business IS NOT interested in secure borders, it runs counterintuitive to their interests. Secure borders are counterintuitive to the new world order that is globalisation, it to has no use for borders whatsoever. Funny watching people stick their noses so close to the problem that they fail to see that big picture, and blame our decades old border problem all on Obama. Oh btw, now a days illegals also take jobs that Americans do want to do. They are thick in landscaping, ALL the construction fields, body and mechanic shops, etc.
 
Montecresto said:
Yep! Americans thought similar with Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter...............it's just not coming. Would be funny if you think the next GOP president will be the one to deliver.
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Not saying he/she will or will not be...I don't have a crystal ball. Do you?
 

I know that is the meme, however, that doesn't make illegal immigration not illegal. A nation without borders isn't a nation.
 
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