Guns save lives too.

[noonereal]

we live in a very violence country

Because we have so many guns

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Everything organic comes at a higher cost and that includes vegetables.

I know, but it is not too high for stores to stop selling those products.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Because we have so many guns

and very few restrictions on who can have them

 

[SkyFox76]

No animal is capable of thinking about that except humans.

Because this is a gun control thread, fishing is irrelevant here.

My mom always looks for the words "pasture-raised" on egg cartons because she is fully aware of the difference between that term and "cage-free" eggs.

So you think animals raised in dark cramped areas and then led to the slaughterhouse are just as happy as the ones living in their natural environment? If that's the case, why do you care if a hen is laying eggs in a cage, or in a field?

 

[SkyFox76]

I know, but it is not too high for stores to stop selling those products.

Well of course not, but the point is it does in fact cost more.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

So you think animals raised in dark cramped areas and then led to the slaughterhouse are just as happy as the ones living in their natural environment? If that's the case, why do you care if a hen is laying eggs in a cage, or in a field?

It is illegal to do that with wild animals.

 

[SkyFox76]

It is illegal to do that with wild animals.

Chickens are domesticated animals as are cows. Aside from that, you're avoiding the question I asked you. Do you think animals raised in a barn are just as content as ones living out in a field?

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Chickens are domesticated animals as are cows. Aside from that, you're avoiding the question I asked you. Do you think animals raised in a barn are just as content as ones living out in a field?

I will not answer a question that is totally off topic. The topic is guns saving human lives.

 

[RF667799]

I don't know the name of the animal cruelty law, but I do know there is one.

There is no law that says one cannot have fun while hunting.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Because we have so many guns

so a country with not many guns would have no violence

that's what you're saying, correct ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

and very few restrictions on who can have them

under 18 can't
under 21 can't
felons can't
mentally ill can't
non-citizens can't

but yes, other than that, people can - and why not? they're not a danger to anyone are they, common everyday citizens of the USA ? we allow legal law abiding people to do most anything they want (that's part of living in a free country) as long as they don't break laws like ... I dunno, MURDER other people

all those legal law abiding people? they are zero threat to anyone, including you, why NOT allow them guns ?

 

[SkyFox76]

I will not answer a question that is totally off topic. The topic is guns saving human lives.

You've been discussing hunting since about 5-6 hours back but all of a sudden it's off topic?

 

[hecatmoggie]

I will not answer a question that is totally off topic. The topic is guns saving human lives.

technically guns don't do that either - PEOPLE use guns to save lives and to stop crimes and thwart evil

 

[Patriotic Voter]

You've been discussing hunting since about 5-6 hours back but all of a sudden it's off topic?

No, I have not been discussing hunting that long. You are just looking at timestamps - and the one keeping it going so I can't discuss the real issue, which is gun control.

 

[Rucker61]

The herd of what?

The various elk herds, lots of deer herds, etc. Hunting reduces the size of the herds to levels that the environment can support and is carefully managed to do so.

 

[RF667799]

The various elk herds, lots of deer herds, etc. Hunting reduces the size of the herds to levels that the environment can support and is carefully managed to do so.

I recall one anti-hunting poster saying that the state should have a managed cull in order to prevent overpopulation.

 

[SkyFox76]

No, I have not been discussing hunting that long. You are just looking at timestamps - and the one keeping it going so I can't discuss the real issue, which is gun control.

First of all I'm not stopping you from discussing gun control. Second, I jumped into the conversation when I saw your post (at almost 1pm pt) that stated---

Because hunting is basically useless. Don't you live near a grocery store to buy meat at?

Shooting animals for fun is federally illegal.

So I mainly did that because even though I don't hunt, I do realize that people do indeed feed their families with what they hunt and kill. People have been doing that for probably 2 million years. And I can promise you they didn't have a local supermarket to drop into for some ground beef.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I mainly did that because even though I don't hunt, I do realize that people do indeed feed their families with what they hunt and kill. People have been doing that for probably 2 million years. And I can promise you they didn't have a local supermarket to drop into for some ground beef.

That is why I used the present tense word IS. Of course I know people used to need to hunt to get their meat. Now hunting for meat is totally unnecessary. If people want to do it, that is their choice. But they don't have to. And most people don't want to hunt.

 

[TOJ]

People who care about human life never want people to kill themselves, whether it is their business or not.

And you are flat out wrong about it being nobody else's business if a person commits suicide.

You just don't care about human life. It would not matter to you if someone was murdered by a criminal with a machine gun.

Well, that's certainly one of the stupidest conclusions I've ever seen. And BTW, If I cared about human life, I would be against abortion.

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[Patriotic Voter]

Well, that's certainly one of the stupidest conclusions I've ever seen. And BTW, If I cared about human life, I would be against abortion.

Most unborn humans die naturally before women know they are pregnant.

 

[TOJ]

Most unborn humans die naturally before women know they are pregnant.

And we have the non sequitur winner of the year.

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[Rucker61]

I recall one anti-hunting poster saying that the state should have a managed cull in order to prevent overpopulation.

Colorado had to recruit hunters to reduce the elk population in in area of the state.

 

[RF667799]

Colorado had to recruit hunters to reduce the elk population in in area of the state.

A hunting season, basically is a state managed cull.

Illinois has done things like make very liberal archerty seasons for deer. Basically, during the rather lengthy season, there is no limit on does. You can buy tags over the counter and fill them as fast as you can. Crossbows are allowed during the archery season.

 

[Nickyjo]

guns saves lives everyday

its why police have them, its why military has them, its why rich people and politicians surround themselves with people armed with guns

its why many states have went to carry without a permit - the value of guns is incalculable

I know. If only there were more guns in say, Europe, their death rates would plummet.

 

[Rich2018]

Disagree.

You're entitled to your opinion.

NRA is the gold standard of firearms training. That is the NRA, not the NRA-ILA which is the political side. Your team seems to get the two mixed up.

The NRA is the gold standard. LOL
Says who ?

IDPA. international Defensive Pistol Association. Like USPSA and other competitive actin shooting. Just different rules based on scenarios, etc.

International huh? Founded in 1996 and based in Texas. Sounds like it pretends to exist in multiple countries - a bit like the "world" series in baseball.

Since I have been actively shooting, improving my skills, and maintaining qualification since I got out of the military, where as, you state that you don’t even own a gun, I reject your opinion that you know more than me. You do have an extensive knowledge, but you have shown that you are not familiar with the vagaries of different US gun laws, presumably since you have not been in the firearm world since you moved here from the UK.

I don't doubt that you're a better shot than me. It's your assumption, however, that skill with shooting equate the greater knowledge about guns, that I take issue with.