Guns do not represent American values[W:212]

[Bucky]

Your solution to reduce the number of gun homicides (and only gun homicides) is to remove the means. I'm just wondering if you have the same idea with regards to rapes?

I notice a trend with you:

Mention of any gun restrictions...

You switch topics and start talking about cars, rape, knives, etc..

Now that I think about it, this is how a lot of NRA zealots debate. Do you guys have a playbook of some sort?

 

[Rucker61]

I notice a trend with you:

Mention of any gun restrictions...

You switch topics and start talking about cars, rape, knives, etc..

Now that I think about it, this is how a lot of NRA zealots debate. Do you guys have a playbook of some sort?

By "any sort of gun restrictions" do you mean confiscation of lawfully owned property? I notice that you keep wanting to have men with guns take guns away from citizens who have guns, but aren't willing to engage in the practice yourself even though there are lots of folks with guns who aren't currently allowed to have guns right now. Go confiscate guns from felons and actually make society safer.

We've already shown you how unconstitutional your suggestions are, multiple times, yet you keep on harping on them. I'm figuring out that you aren't trainable.

 

[jaeger19]

I notice a trend with you:

Mention of any gun restrictions...

You switch topics and start talking about cars, rape, knives, etc..

Now that I think about it, this is how a lot of NRA zealots debate. Do you guys have a playbook of some sort?

Nah.. we are just used to defeating the same old and tired arguments you paranoid gun control zealots make.

 

[jaeger19]

Intrinsic value vs monetary value.

The courts are able to establish the monetary value of human lives/suffering/reimbursements all the time.

So? That's not establishing a monetary value on those memories and family history.

 

[gfm7175]

I notice a trend with you:

Mention of any gun restrictions...

You switch topics and start talking about cars, rape, knives, etc..

Now that I think about it, this is how a lot of NRA zealots debate. Do you guys have a playbook of some sort?

He's not "switching the subject", he's trying to have a philosophical discussion with you...

 

[jet57]

Re: Guns do not represent American values

How does a private citizen "abuse the constitution"

And in what way do the "gun crowd" abuse the constitution?

By developing a political movement that mischaracterizes certain "numerated rights" and generating gobs of money using that money to build lies about said rights and manipulates courts and legislation in order to validate those lies.

 

[jet57]

I notice a trend with you:

Mention of any gun restrictions...

You switch topics and start talking about cars, rape, knives, etc..

Now that I think about it, this is how a lot of NRA zealots debate. Do you guys have a playbook of some sort?

Very well said; I call such diversions "dancing around the facts". Some of these guys are very good at it, 'er well.... they think they're good at it, so they just keep throwing **** at wall to what sticks.

 

[jet57]

By "any sort of gun restrictions" do you mean confiscation of lawfully owned property? I notice that you keep wanting to have men with guns take guns away from citizens who have guns, but aren't willing to engage in the practice yourself even though there are lots of folks with guns who aren't currently allowed to have guns right now. Go confiscate guns from felons and actually make society safer.

We've already shown you how unconstitutional your suggestions are, multiple times, yet you keep on harping on them. I'm figuring out that you aren't trainable.

By "any sort of gun restrictions" do you mean confiscation of lawfully owned property?

Why do you keep harping on that? Is there a monster under your bed or something?

 

[jaeger19]

Re: Guns do not represent American values

By developing a political movement that mischaracterizes certain "numerated rights" and generating gobs of money using that money to build lies about said rights and manipulates courts and legislation in order to validate those lies.

Interesting.

Okay.. how does such a political movement mischaracterize "numerated rights"?

What "lies" do they build about said rights?

 

[jaeger19]

Why do you keep harping on that? Is there a monster under your bed or something?

I believe it goes to the heart of you gun control advocates that want gun restrictions.. when you really want firearms confiscation.

Kind of those lies that you anti gunners love to throw around.. how "no one wants to take away your guns"... when that's exactly what you want to do.

 

[Rucker61]

Why do you keep harping on that? Is there a monster under your bed or something?

Because the person who wrote "any sort of gun restrictions" is verbal proponent of confiscation of firearms. It's all he's suggested.

Is it the monster under your bed that keeps you harping about banning one type of semiautomatic magazine fed carbine?

 

[Rucker61]

Re: Guns do not represent American values

By developing a political movement that mischaracterizes certain "numerated rights" and generating gobs of money using that money to build lies about said rights and manipulates courts and legislation in order to validate those lies.

Caetano, Heller and Miller state that the 2nd Amendment protects "bearable arms" "in common use for lawful purposes" and those arms that have a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia". The mischaracterizations of those rights aren't coming from the pro-gun side.

 

[zsu2357]

As a citizen yes. A citizen has the right to arrest another individual as well.

Well Bucky that's mighty big talk there,but then you would be waaay in the background. Your right though it's called a citizens arrest.

 

[zsu2357]

Then why aren't you out there taking away guns to make us safer? You can start with the felons with guns, as the law says right now that they aren't allowed to have them, and felons with guns are the most dangerous to society.

Hey I would follow that and get videos of it!

 

[jet57]

I believe it goes to the heart of you gun control advocates that want gun restrictions.. when you really want firearms confiscation.

Kind of those lies that you anti gunners love to throw around.. how "no one wants to take away your guns"... when that's exactly what you want to do.

Boy, talk about "lies"... when have I ever advocated any kind of confiscation of guns and what politicians are advocating such a thing?

 

[jet57]

Re: Guns do not represent American values

Interesting.

Okay.. how does such a political movement mischaracterize "numerated rights"?

What "lies" do they build about said rights?

Start here: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/12/16418524/us-gun-policy-nra

the here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/nra-wayne-lapierre-second-amendment-gun-rights

the list goes on.

 

[jet57]

Re: Guns do not represent American values

Caetano, Heller and Miller state that the 2nd Amendment protects "bearable arms" "in common use for lawful purposes" and those arms that have a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia". The mischaracterizations of those rights aren't coming from the pro-gun side.

You need to read more

How the NRA perverted the meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

I keep telling you - "read - read- read".

 

[jet57]

Because the person who wrote "any sort of gun restrictions" is verbal proponent of confiscation of firearms. It's all he's suggested.

Is it the monster under your bed that keeps you harping about banning one type of semiautomatic magazine fed carbine?

Oh he is?

Show me.

 

[Bucky]

He's not "switching the subject", he's trying to have a philosophical discussion with you...

Thank you.

So it appears gun zealots instead of trying to find solutions, only want to have philosophical discussions instead of implementing real discussions.

This isn't a philosophy class. This isn't Plato.

That's not how real adults today get things figured out.

 

[Rucker61]

Thank you.

So it appears gun zealots instead of trying to find solutions, only want to have philosophical discussions instead of implementing real discussions.

This isn't a philosophy class. This isn't Plato.

That's not how real adults today get things figured out.

How many times do we have to tell you that the Constitution protects "bearable arms" "in common use for lawful purposes" or having a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia" from confiscation, yet that's all you have to offer.

 

[Bucky]

How many times do we have to tell you that the Constitution protects "bearable arms" "in common use for lawful purposes" or having a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia" from confiscation, yet that's all you have to offer.

As I told TurtleDude. I am unsure I can debate someone this devoid of objectivity.

 

[Rucker61]

Re: Guns do not represent American values

You need to read more

How the NRA perverted the meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

I keep telling you - "read - read- read".

I keep telling you - I've read your suggested readings. US v Cruikshank had no NRA input at all. What was that decision? Oh yeah, "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence". The NRA has no influence on SCOTUS, which continued to affirm that right via Heller and Caetano.

If Congress has complete authority over the arms and staffing of the militia via Article 1, Section 8, what does the 2nd protect with "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"? The only people who are perverting the meaning of the Second Amendment are you and the people like you.

 

[Rucker61]

As I told TurtleDude. I am unsure I can debate someone this devoid of objectivity.

Can you debate the meanings of Miller, Heller and Caetano?

 

[zsu2357]

Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
The fact people can make an untraceable Glock from tools in your garage without a license is a serious problem.

Do the same with SW,SIG.,Ruger,Beretta etc.ctc. You guys always go for Glock. Guess it's the most famous or something.

Regulation is needed. I am all for confiscation.

As I saw someone point out,have at it starting with gangs.

 

[TurtleDude]

Can you debate the meanings of Miller, Heller and Caetano?

Based on his posts on gun issues, I don't see any evidence he is aware of those holdings. I find it funny that he claims we are devoid of objectivity while his posts are fairly extreme and contrary to both the holdings of the supreme court and the words of the founders.