Guns do not represent American values[W:212]

[Bucky]

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Cigarette companies lied to people for decades. Gun manufacturers have yet to lie about their product. Big difference between the two.

And why shouldn't kids be taught how to use guns properly? I plan to take my 12 year old son and 10 year old daughter up to my brothers property this summer to teach them how to properly handle a gun and some target practicing. That cricket gun would be perfect for doing such. Single shot, low power. Perfect for teaching with.

Do you teach your 12 year old son how to drink my giving him a shot of whisky or your daughter a bottle of wine?

Gun manufacturers have yet to lie about their product. Big difference between the two.

Gun manufacturers don't lie? Please, stop feeding me bs.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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Do you teach your 12 year old son how to drink my giving him a shot of whisky or your daughter a bottle of wine?

False equivalency. Guns do not alter ones perceptions. Plus its illegal where as teaching a child to shoot is not.

Gun manufacturers don't lie? Please, stop feeding me bs.

Provide links that gun manufacturers lie about their product. I'll wait.

 

[Bucky]

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children who are well trained with firearms are far less likely to engage in unsafe or reckless activities with guns. Plus, they are more likely to be able to kill violent home invaders if their home is targeted when their parents are Away

most importantly, kids trained in how to use guns are far less likely to buy into the oozing BS anti gun propagandists spew

That's just sick. Do you hire a prostitute for your 10-year son to teach him how to have sex?

Absolute nonsense.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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That's just sick. Do you hire a prostitute for your 10-year son to teach him how to have sex?

Absolute nonsense.

I take it that you are opposed to teaching children how to swim?

 

[TurtleDude]

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This was my son at age 12 at a top training facility with an Ohio Police Officers' Training Academy certified instructor behind him. its a live fire house where the students are confronted with shoot/no shoot targets. He not only shot all the hostiles, he didn't shoot any of the non-shoot targets. (other than me and my wife-both of us having had numerous experiences with this sort of training) He had the top score-ahead of 30 or so adults. The year before he had done this with a Model 10 revolver-in this picture he's shooting I believe a Novak Custom BHP.

 

[TurtleDude]

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That's just sick. Do you hire a prostitute for your 10-year son to teach him how to have sex?

Absolute nonsense.

we never know when some whacked out drug addict, child molester or other POS might break into the house. I came in contact with more than my share of human trash when I was a DOJ attorney and I wanted to be sure if I wasn't home, my son and wife would be able to deal with scumbags.

sadly for you Bucky, I know this topic inside and out and children well trained in using firearms properly are far less likely to engage in illegal behavior with guns or cause accidents with them. the world has, sadly, lots of people who are scumbags we'd be better off without, and if my son were to be attacked by one, or two or three, I want him winning that confrontation.

 

[zsu2357]

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that is really stupid. Gun control laws hurt the poor disproportionately

and calling me a racist is really a reflection on your piss-poor debating skills. I couldn't care less

TD it's like the saying "when in doubt run in circles and scream and shout" failing that,pull the racist card.

 

[trblmkr]

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View attachment 67227805This was my son at age 12 at a top training facility with an Ohio Police Officers' Training Academy certified instructor behind him. its a live fire house where the students are confronted with shoot/no shoot targets. He not only shot all the hostiles, he didn't shoot any of the non-shoot targets. (other than me and my wife-both of us having had numerous experiences with this sort of training) He had the top score-ahead of 30 or so adults. The year before he had done this with a Model 10 revolver-in this picture he's shooting I believe a Novak Custom BHP.

Did any of the "hostiles" shoot back?
Sorry, I think it's cool to do that with your kid. No doubt will make him a better protector.
Could also be considered advanced training to make him a better school shooter. But that would require some other areas of his psychological growth to go badly. I'm sure you got it all covered.

 

[DebateChallenge]

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False equivalency. Guns do not alter ones perceptions. Plus its illegal where as teaching a child to shoot is not.

In some states there is no drinking age if the parents give the alcohol.

 

[DebateChallenge]

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View attachment 67227805This was my son at age 12 at a top training facility with an Ohio Police Officers' Training Academy certified instructor behind him. its a live fire house where the students are confronted with shoot/no shoot targets. He not only shot all the hostiles, he didn't shoot any of the non-shoot targets. (other than me and my wife-both of us having had numerous experiences with this sort of training) He had the top score-ahead of 30 or so adults. The year before he had done this with a Model 10 revolver-in this picture he's shooting I believe a Novak Custom BHP.

Lucky boy. When I was 12 I was shooting .22 rifles at Boy Scout Camp.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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In some states there is no drinking age if the parents give the alcohol.

That is actually a myth. Federal minimum drinking age is 21. There is no clause in the law that allows parents to give alcohol to children.

 

[Gina]

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[zsu2357]

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That's just sick. Do you hire a prostitute for your 10-year son to teach him how to have sex?

Absolute nonsense.

https://lawnews.tv/examples-of-kids-using-guns-to-defend-themselves/ And this is just a small sample of something you call sick. Prostitute for a 10 year old? Now that's sick.

 

[TurtleDude]

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That is actually a myth. Federal minimum drinking age is 21. There is no clause in the law that allows parents to give alcohol to children.

I don't believe there is a federal drinking law Kal. I would have a hard time trying to find a jurisdictional justification for that. I believe that the federal government used threats of withholding highway tax dollars from states that did not raise their DA to 21. and in Ohio, a parent can serve a minor child alcohol IIRC. Since I don't drink, I haven't really spent much time keeping up on that and its been 28 years since I last dealt with state laws concerning drinking

 

[trblmkr]

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That's just sick. Do you hire a prostitute for your 10-year son to teach him how to have sex?

Absolute nonsense.

Of course not. This is Georgia. He has a sister.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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I don't believe there is a federal drinking law Kal. I would have a hard time trying to find a jurisdictional justification for that. I believe that the federal government used threats of withholding highway tax dollars from states that did not raise their DA to 21. and in Ohio, a parent can serve a minor child alcohol IIRC. Since I don't drink, I haven't really spent much time keeping up on that and its been 28 years since I last dealt with state laws concerning drinking

You're the lawyer. I'll concede to your experience.

 

[zsu2357]

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That is actually a myth. Federal minimum drinking age is 21. There is no clause in the law that allows parents to give alcohol to children.

ORS 471.410(2) Furnishing alcohol to a minor
No person shall sell, give or make alcohol available to a minor. A parent or legal guardian may provide alcohol
to their minor child in a private residence as long as the parent is with the minor child. If you illegally provide
alcohol to a minor, or provide alcohol to an adult that you know will make it available to a minor, you will receive
a criminal citation. (Class A Misdemeanor) Unless Oregon changed that law.

 

[DebateChallenge]

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That is actually a myth. Federal minimum drinking age is 21. There is no clause in the law that allows parents to give alcohol to children.

In NJ you can legally drink alcohol under the age of 21 if your parents give it to you. Ask any NJ police officer. In Texas you can even go to a bar and drink at under the age of 21 if your parents are there with you. It became big news when President Bush's daughters, Barbara and Jenna, were caught drinking in a bar in Texas and were both under 21. They got in trouble because their parents weren't there but if their parents were there it would've been legal.

 

[Bucky]

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I take it that you are opposed to teaching children how to swim?

How on earth does learning how to swim endanger one's own life or anyone else?

Ya, my friend, letting children, no matter how mature they are.... children still developing critical thinking skills and are prone to lapses of judgment and decision making and letting them handle dangerous weapons.

How is that not a recipe for disaster???

 

[Bucky]

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we never know when some whacked out drug addict, child molester or other POS might break into the house. I came in contact with more than my share of human trash when I was a DOJ attorney and I wanted to be sure if I wasn't home, my son and wife would be able to deal with scumbags.

sadly for you Bucky, I know this topic inside and out and children well trained in using firearms properly are far less likely to engage in illegal behavior with guns or cause accidents with them. the world has, sadly, lots of people who are scumbags we'd be better off without, and if my son were to be attacked by one, or two or three, I want him winning that confrontation.

Myth: Being armed lowers the odds of you being a victim of gun violence.

That is not true and in fact, will likely increase your odds of being a victim of gun violence.

I refuse to call you and Kal'Stang bad parents. I have too much respect for both of you. Just misguided.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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How on earth does learning how to swim endanger one's own life or anyone else?

Did you really just ask that? :roll: Here: Unintentional Drowning: Get the Facts

Ya, my friend, letting children, no matter how mature they are.... children still developing critical thinking skills and are prone to lapses of judgment and decision making and letting them handle dangerous weapons.

How is that not a recipe for disaster???

At least my example was more relevant than the ones you have put forth so far. Perhaps now you won't be using hyperbolic statements that are completely irrelevant.

Besides, kids are supposed to learn at a young age. That is why we have them go to schools and teach them ourselves. That's the best time to teach anyone anything.

 

[Bucky]

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Did you really just ask that? :roll: Here: Unintentional Drowning: Get the Facts



At least my example was more relevant than the ones you have put forth so far. Perhaps now you won't be using hyperbolic statements that are completely irrelevant.

Besides, kids are supposed to learn at a young age. That is why we have them go to schools and teach them ourselves. That's the best time to teach anyone anything.

swimming is a sport/activity. Humans one way or the other have to deal with water - in the shower/tub, rain, washing your hands etc..

Unless you have a profession which requires you use a gun, no civilian needs to learn how to shoot. Completely unnecessary and foolish imo.

 

[DebateChallenge]

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Myth: Being armed lowers the odds of you being a victim of gun violence.

That is not true and in fact, will likely increase your odds of being a victim of gun violence.

If being armed does indeed increase your odds of being a victim of gun violence why is that so? What is the explanation?

 

[Kal'Stang]

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Myth: Being armed lowers the odds of you being a victim of gun violence.

That is not true and in fact, will likely increase your odds of being a victim of gun violence.

Not having a parachute will reduce your chances of being a victim of parachute violence.

I refuse to call you and Kal'Stang bad parents. I have too much respect for both of you. Just misguided.

Appreciate this. Whether or not we are "misguided" though is not really backed up by facts. Children that are taught how to use guns properly at a young age reduces their chances of having accidents later on in life. Just like teaching a kid to learn how to drive reduces their chances of being in an accident. Does this mean that they will never be in either type of accident? Nope. It doesn't. But it does reduce it. The only way to completely reduce such is to ban them completely from cars and guns. Which there is no need of doing.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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swimming is a sport/activity. Humans one way or the other have to deal with water - in the shower/tub, rain, washing your hands etc..

Humans do not have to swim in a shower/tub, nor in the rain, nor while washing ones hands. Going by your logic presented in this post then it would be wrong to teach a child to learn how to swim. After all, no child has to get into a body of water large enough to swim in. Plenty of land out there, not to mention boats.

Unless you have a profession which requires you use a gun, no civilian needs to learn how to shoot. Completely unnecessary and foolish imo.

Disagree. There's hunting for food and self defense. Both of which are valid reasons for civilians to own guns.