Guns are the problem...

[CLAX1911]

You don't get much around here
Mostly lies, "what-about-ism" and straw-man arguments.

Ironic. You are famous for "what about UK."

 

[Nickyjo]

No. This isn't about other countries. You need to make arguments relevant to this country.

I'm not taking this bait.

I don’t understand. Why not use the examples of other countries Oops, I forgot, some Americans can’t stand this sort of thing, given our role as the greatest country in history. We have nothing to learn. So in another area, the fact that similar rich countries have health care and have better health outcomes, also is meaningless.

 

[Nickyjo]

Where? This is emotional freak out. And why do you think you're not being very persuasive? Is it just the whole world this against you in some sort of conspiracy?

No, as a matter of fact, according to polls, most Americans want more gun control.

 

[Rich2018]

Ironic. You are famous for "what about UK."

That's not irony

Stop listening to Alanis Morissette for a definition.

 

[CLAX1911]

I don’t understand.

Focus on the US. Don't bring up other countries. It's easy. You shouldn't do this because the US isn't other countries. You are trying to dodge it's dishonest

Why not use the examples of other countries

You can when appropriate

Oops, I forgot, some Americans can’t stand this sort of thing,

Likely because this is a unique component of our country

given our role as the greatest country in history. We have nothing to learn.

We learned the results of stripping rights from people Europe stupidity failed that lesson. Over and over and over again

So in another area, the fact that similar rich countries have health care and have better health outcomes, also is meaningless.

Crappy sub standard health care. Better outcomes in the fact that you pay dearly for it just not directly so you pretend it's free and therefore crappy is okay.

We've already learned this lesson you're up in Canada are failing at it.

 

[CLAX1911]

No, as a matter of fact, according to polls, most Americans want more gun control.

Yet you can't figure out how to communicate with them. Must be a bullshit poll.

 

[Nickyjo]

Focus on the US. Don't bring up other countries. It's easy. You shouldn't do this because the US isn't other countries. You are trying to dodge it's dishonest

You can when appropriate

Likely because this is a unique component of our country

We learned the results of stripping rights from people Europe stupidity failed that lesson. Over and over and over again

Crappy sub standard health care. Better outcomes in the fact that you pay dearly for it just not directly so you pretend it's free and therefore crappy is okay.

We've already learned this lesson you're up in Canada are failing at it.

So I gather people are in the streets of Canada and Europe demanding more guns and less health care. We could learn from them and get rid of Medicare, which Reagan suggested would deprive us of our freedom. Hasn’t happened yet, but still…

Face it, the world has moved on from the 1800s, starting with TR and trust busting, thru the New Deal to the ACA. The late great conservative Bill Buckley said it well describing his role as standing astride history, yelling “STOP!” But don’t despair. Conservatives play a useful role as a leftist friend put it, acting as “brakes” on some over the top liberal ideas.

 

[RF667799]

I don’t understand. Why not use the examples of other countries Oops, I forgot, some Americans can’t stand this sort of thing, given our role as the greatest country in history. We have nothing to learn. So in another area, the fact that similar rich countries have health care and have better health outcomes, also is meaningless.

So use the example of Mexico.

 

[Nickyjo]

So use the example of Mexico.

Because of more significant poverty and corruption, Mexico is not a good comparison.

 

[RF667799]

Because of more significant poverty and corruption, Mexico is not a good comparison.

Then those are more significant factors than guns.

So why aren't your gun control arguments directed at the poor?

 

[Nickyjo]

Then those are more significant factors than guns.

So why aren't your gun control arguments directed at the poor?

Huh?

 

[CLAX1911]

So I gather people are in the streets of Canada and Europe demanding more guns and less health care.

Some want more rights but they live under a government with a lot of concentrated power.

That's a recipe for disaster. The fact that people go along with it isn't an argument.

We could learn from them and get rid of Medicare, which Reagan suggested would deprive us of our freedom. Hasn’t happened yet, but still…

You're distracting from your lack of argument by trying to change the subject

Face it, the world has moved on from the 1800s, starting with TR and trust busting,

They are moving to the 1920s. That's not better

thru the New Deal to the ACA. The late great conservative Bill Buckley said it well describing his role as standing astride history, yelling “STOP!”

Yeah ACA was mostly about charging you more money so the government can collect more taxes. They just give it a cutesy name and tell you it'll make us more like Europe and you clutch your tinkle at his sophisticated you'll feel.

Manipulating people like you is exactly how Mussolini came to power.

But don’t despair. Conservatives play a useful role as a leftist friend put it, acting as “brakes” on some over the top liberal ideas.

Conservatives are mostly just cucks like Democrats doing anything to gain more power.

Tribalism is a scam to manipulate people into protesting against their own rights.

I bet you want fewer rights because the media told you the other team wants more and that's bad.

If you have to moan about left and right you are being manipulated.

 

[CLAX1911]

Huh?

Why aren't your arguments directed at the poor?

 

[Nickyjo]

Some want more rights but they live under a government with a lot of concentrated power.

That's a recipe for disaster. The fact that people go along with it isn't an argument.

You're distracting from your lack of argument by trying to change the subject

They are moving to the 1920s. That's not better

Yeah ACA was mostly about charging you more money so the government can collect more taxes. They just give it a cutesy name and tell you it'll make us more like Europe and you clutch your tinkle at his sophisticated you'll feel.

Manipulating people like you is exactly how Mussolini came to power.

Conservatives are mostly just cucks like Democrats doing anything to gain more power.

Tribalism is a scam to manipulate people into protesting against their own rights.

I bet you want fewer rights because the media told you the other team wants more and that's bad.

If you have to moan about left and right you are being manipulated.

Silky people, losing their freedom all around the world by asking for health care.

 

[CLAX1911]

Because of more significant poverty and corruption, Mexico is not a good comparison.

No it's because they have some scams to regulate guns and it's more violent.

If gun control worked in more wealthy countries it would work in less wealthy countries. You ignore those data points because they don't affirm your viewpoint

 

[RF667799]

Huh?

If "poor" is a more significant factor for violent crime, that should be the people targeted for the draconian gun control.

Oh wait. You guys thought of that already. Which explains the prohibitive taxes angle, the prohibitive additional expenses mandates, etc.

 

[CLAX1911]

Silky people, losing their freedom all around the world by asking for health care.

You are distracting from the gun question. I'll take your abandonment of the argument to mean you were stomped.

This is why we didn't have gun control in the US the second pressure is applied to you, you run away screaming.

 

[CLAX1911]

If "poor" is a more significant factor for violent crime, that should be the people targeted for the draconian gun control.

It's a communism canard like how a chiropractor will try and convince you you are constipated because you haven't had your back cracked. All social ills are caused by poverty.

We already know better. Crime causes poverty not the other way around. Look at El salvador. They started hammering criminals and prosperity increases.

Communists try to convince you communism is a panacea. That's why it killed 120 million people in one center dwarfing the number killed by religion.

Oh wait. You guys thought of that already. Which explains the prohibitive taxes angle, the prohibitive additional expenses mandates, etc.

 

[Bum]

Guns are the problem...​

Not for me.

The criminal element however.... well, it's an occupational hazard.

 

[Rich2018]

It's a communism canard like how a chiropractor will try and convince you you are constipated because you haven't had your back cracked. All social ills are caused by poverty.

Chiropractors are communists ?

Crime causes poverty not the other way around.

No, poverty mixed with high population density and unequal distribution of wealth, causes crime.

Communists try to convince you communism is a panacea. That's why it killed 120 million people in one center dwarfing the number killed by religion.

Whereas fascists don't care about what you think, they just kill millions anyway.

 

[RF667799]

Chiropractors are communists ?



No, poverty mixed with high population density and unequal distribution of wealth, causes crime.



Whereas fascists don't care about what you think, they just kill millions anyway.

Actually, fascists also reference their ideology and wax enthusiastic about its eventual outcome.

 

[Bum]

Actually, fascists also reference their ideology and wax enthusiastic about its eventual outcome.

C'mon, @RF667799 ...some folks never evolved beyond a monarchy and cannot think of protecting themselves.
Give 'em some leeway....they need someone to think for them.

 

[CLAX1911]

Chiropractors are communists ?

No communists and chiropractors are both scam artists.

No, poverty mixed with high population density and unequal distribution of wealth, causes crime.

Nope crime causes poverty. Your repeating a communist canard with no understanding.

Whereas fascists don't care about what you think, they just kill millions anyway.

Yeah all of the big government anti Liberty set ups are poor. That's why I advocate for liberty.

 

[CLAX1911]

Actually, fascists also reference their ideology and wax enthusiastic about its eventual outcome.

Fascists also ban gun ownership.

Whereas fascists don't care about what you think, they just kill millions anyway.

You rich are closer to a fascist than me.

 

[RF667799]

C'mon, @RF667799 ...some folks never evolved beyond a monarchy and cannot think of protecting themselves.
Give 'em some leeway....they need someone to think for them.

Decades to learn and still no results? Failure to adapt to training.