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Guns are the problem...

CLAX1911 said:
Gun ownership a dozen create crime no matter how much you want to lie and say that it does sorry.
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Of course gun ownership doesn’t create crime. But the presence of guns make crime more deadly. Duh.
 
Nickyjo said:
Of course gun ownership doesn’t create crime.
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Glad you admit it
Nickyjo said:
But the presence of guns make crime more deadly.
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Or less deadly depending on who has one. Somebody is far less likely to try and threaten a person when there is a .357 being fired at them. DUH
 
CLAX1911 said:
Glad you admit it

Or less deadly depending on who has one. Somebody is far less likely to try and threaten a person when there is a .357 being fired at them. DUH
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Guns are one factor in why violent crime turns deadly so often in the US as compared to other, similar countries.
 
Nickyjo said:
Guns are one factor in why violent crime turns deadly so often in the US as compared to other, similar countries.
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Guns for these crimes are just a means to an end. Someone that wants to kill is going to kill regardless of means. So no.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Guns for these crimes are just a means to an end. Someone that wants to kill is going to kill regardless of means. So no.
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There are relatively few drive by longings. Again, guns are one factor in this. That’s all.
 
Nickyjo said:
There are relatively few drive by longings.
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If you have trouble with drive-by shootings quit completely organizing the problem to focus on everyone that's not involved and focus on the issue. It's not guns. For every drive-by shooting I bet there's a million people that own guns that don't do that.
Nickyjo said:
Again, guns are one factor in this.
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It's not a factor it's a means to an end like any other weapon or tool for that matter. They're never a factor guns do not possess psychic abilities to tell people to commit crimes. Someone wants to commit crimes so they get a gun to achieve their ends
Nickyjo said:
That’s all.
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A ridiculous argument is all? No wonder you people never make any headway. Try quit pretending that guns are a factor and think rationally.
 
Rich2018 said:
Guns don't kill people
But they sure help !
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So do knives, motor vehicles, various items that can be used as bludgeons.

What is your point?
 
CLAX1911 said:
If you have trouble with drive-by shootings quit completely organizing the problem to focus on everyone that's not involved and focus on the issue. It's not guns. For every drive-by shooting I bet there's a million people that own guns that don't do that.

It's not a factor it's a means to an end like any other weapon or tool for that matter. They're never a factor guns do not possess psychic abilities to tell people to commit crimes. Someone wants to commit crimes so they get a gun to achieve their ends

A ridiculous argument is all? No wonder you people never make any headway. Try quit pretending that guns are a factor and think rationally.
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Just this: Again, the US has a relatively high homicide rate and one can attribute that to poverty, decline of civic morality or of the family structure, drug trafficking and use, etc. But all I am saying is that one factor to be considered are the presence and/or easily of guns. Do you really think that any objective analysis would not mention that?
 
Nickyjo said:
Just this: Again, the US has a relatively high homicide rate and one can attribute that to poverty, decline of civic morality or of the family structure, drug trafficking and use, etc. But all I am saying is that one factor to be considered are the presence and/or easily of guns. Do you really think that any objective analysis would not mention that?
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That factor seems to not correlate very well with the homicide rate.
 
Nickyjo said:
Just this: Again, the US has a relatively high homicide rate
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How is this related?
Nickyjo said:
and one can attribute that to poverty,
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Incorrectly crime causes poverty not the other way around and think about it even the poorest here are the top 1% of earners in the world
Nickyjo said:
decline of civic morality or of the family structure, drug trafficking and use, etc. But all I am saying is that one factor to be considered are the presence and/or easily of guns.
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Guns are far more often involved in preventing or stopping victimization. So you want more crime are you completely unaware of reality.
Nickyjo said:
Do you really think that any objective analysis would not mention that?
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An objective analysis wouldn't negate it because if you gather up all the murders and all the suicides and then multiply them by 30 that's how many times as citizen uses a gun to defend themselves.
 
Nickyjo said:
Just this: Again, the US has a relatively high homicide rate and one can attribute that to poverty, decline of civic morality or of the family structure, drug trafficking and use, etc. But all I am saying is that one factor to be considered are the presence and/or easily of guns. Do you really think that any objective analysis would not mention that?
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Guns don't cause crime, they do however make the consequences of it far more severe.
 
Rich2018 said:
Guns don't cause crime, they do however make the consequences of it far more severe.
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But prevent the consequences far more often.
This is the side of the equation you ignore and just because you ignore it doesn't mean it disappears.
 
CLAX1911 said:
But prevent the consequences far more often.
This is the side of the equation you ignore and just because you ignore it doesn't mean it disappears.
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It's like those who make the quantitative claim that guns are a detriment to society while ignoring the benefits- many of which aren't quantifiable.
 
RF667799 said:
It's like those who make the quantitative claim that guns are a detriment to society while ignoring the benefits- many of which aren't quantifiable.
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It's worse than that they don't even acknowledge the side of it it's like it's in a different dimension
 
CLAX1911 said:
But prevent the consequences far more often.
This is the side of the equation you ignore and just because you ignore it doesn't mean it disappears.
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No, just a lie gun owners spread to justify their guns.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
How is this related?

Incorrectly crime causes poverty not the other way around and think about it even the poorest here are the top 1% of earners in the world

Guns are far more often involved in preventing or stopping victimization. So you want more crime are you completely unaware of reality.

An objective analysis wouldn't negate it because if you gather up all the murders and all the suicides and then multiply them by 30 that's how many times as citizen uses a gun to defend themselves.
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So explain which factors in other countries comparable to the US cause them to have lower homicide rates.
 
Nickyjo said:
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So explain which factors in other countries comparable to the US cause them to have lower homicide rates.
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The factor that they are cherry picked for comparison. If the "It’s the guns!" theory held up, we wouldn't see the disparity we see among those countries you claim are comparable.
 
Nickyjo said:
At last, some common sense.
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Guns can also make the consequences of self defense more severe. So that's the benefit that isn't being addressed.
 
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