Guns are the problem...

[verrip1]

Where it landed isnt the question...the question is how a story about a weird hunting incident became a launching pad for a ridiculous anti-gun argument.

Perhaps you should complain to management about this flagrant, uhhhh, something or other.

 

[VanceMack]

Perhaps you should complain to management about this flagrant, uhhhh, something or other.

No need. I think pointing out the foolishness of the OP in the form of questioning the intent was quite sufficient...enough so that he abandoned his own thread and only thew occasional 'person' still staggers in to try to ally themselves with the foolishness.

 

[Rich2018]

Dangerous nutcases should not be allowed to roam freely amongst us, gun or no gun.

That would pretty much eradicate mass shootings.....what's you plan to achieve this ?

 

[RF667799]

That would pretty much eradicate mass shootings.....what's you plan to achieve this ?

That seems to be included in his post.

 

[CLAX1911]

So why are states with dramatically higher gun proliferationr than in MA, CT, NY, and NJ incarcerating residents at up to 5-1/2 X the rate per 100K residents,

Superior police. Superior prosecutors. Doubt guilty verdicts for things like theft have anything to do with guns.

adding prison beds at $300,000 per pop, soending more to operate them than the cost of all other state services combined, and yet are much less safe from crime than those four states that are closing prisons, if consequences of lack of legislated restrictions of gun ownership and carry are not the difference?

Closing prisons isn't good it means criminals just live among you

Permit-less carry will likely increase gun violence in South Carolina • SC Daily Gazette

Commentary from Paul Hyde: South Carolina's new permit-less carry law is a colossal self-inflicted wound that makes us less safe.

scdailygazette.com

March 21, 2024

Far left panic isn't reality

Not a problem in CT, MA, NJ, or NY !

Guns are stolen from cars at triple the rate
of ten years ago.

Must be all those criminals not being locked up

Guns are being stolen from cars at triple the rate they were 10 years ago, a report finds

The rate of guns stolen from cars in the U.S. has tripled over the last decade, making them the largest source of stolen guns in the country.

apnews.com

May 9, 2024

Are prisons about justice and public safety or about state gov welfare for rural communities unsustainable economically from private sector business activity?

Justice and public safety

Prison Politics

Closing an additional five prisons without a plan for the host communities is creating worries among Democratic state lawmakers.New York has shuttered 24 prisons over the last decade as the overall corrections population has declined. But the vacant facilities dotted across largely rural areas...

www.nysenate.gov

The state that has so much crime and theft the debris from criminal behavior derails trains.

Newsome is everything not to be as a state governor.

 

[post]

Superior police. Superior prosecutors. Doubt guilty verdicts for things like theft have anything to do with guns.

Closing prisons isn't good it means criminals just live among you

Far left panic isn't reality

Must be all those criminals not being locked up

Justice and public safety

The state that has so much crime and theft the debris from criminal behavior derails trains.

Newsome is everything not to be as a state governor.

Your post is incoherent. Compared to
the conditions in the states you defend, states with laws or lack of them, resulting in hyper incarceration rates for reasons that should be obvious, Intentional gun proliferation, the states you baselessly criticize seem oasis of sanity.
I cannot make the following any simpler.
The states with lowest per capita gun ownership experience the least gun thefts and least crimes generally aggravated by presence or possession of guns.

REVEALED: Nearly 30,000 firearms stolen from vehicles since Tennessee GOP relaxed gun laws

Stolen weapons have since been used to kill innocent Tennesseans, but Tennessee Republicans have shown little interest in revisiting those laws or penalizing owners who make their guns easy targets.

www.newschannel5.com

 

[CLAX1911]

Your post is incoherent.

Why because it argues against you?

Compared to
the conditions in the states you defend, states with laws or lack of them, resulting in hyper incarceration rates for reasons that should be obvious, Intentional gun proliferation,

I don't think incarceration is caused by guns. It's caused by police catching criminals and prosecutors succeeding in cases against them. Most crimes don't even involve guns.

the states you baselessly criticize seem oasis of sanity.

That's an opinion. Interfering with rights doesn't seem like sanity to me if seems like oppression.

I cannot make the following any simpler.

It's never been complex

The states with lowest per capita gun ownership experience the least gun thefts and least crimes generally aggravated by presence or possession of guns.

Yeah the states with the least amount of cars experience fewer car thefts. This is just a statistical observation it doesn't need to be simpler.

It's not an argument for stripping rights from citizens. Sorry.

REVEALED: Nearly 30,000 firearms stolen from vehicles since Tennessee GOP relaxed gun laws

Stolen weapons have since been used to kill innocent Tennesseans, but Tennessee Republicans have shown little interest in revisiting those laws or penalizing owners who make their guns easy targets.

www.newschannel5.com

Sounds like a law enforcement issue.

 

[post]

Why because it argues against you?

I don't think incarceration is caused by guns. It's caused by police catching criminals and prosecutors succeeding in cases against them. Most crimes don't even involve guns.

That's an opinion. Interfering with rights doesn't seem like sanity to me if seems like oppression.

It's never been complex

Yeah the states with the least amount of cars experience fewer car thefts. This is just a statistical observation it doesn't need to be simpler.

It's not an argument for stripping rights from citizens. Sorry.

Sounds like a law enforcement issue

You post as if this is not obvious, the problem is legislative not enforcement. Less crimes in which a gun is present, lower incarceration rate !!!!

https://whnt.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-guns-are-being-stolen-from-cars-at-triple-the-rate-they-were-10-years-ago-a-report-finds/amp/

“The report found higher gun thefts in states with looser gun laws, which also tend to have higher rates of gun ownership.

Boston’s Homicide Rate Reaches a Historic Low

This past May, Mayor Michelle Wu hailed Boston as “one of the safest major cities in the country.” Wu’s statement was not grandstanding; recent data bears…

www.vera.org

-snip-

Closing prisons isn't good it means criminals just live among you
-snip-

 

[CLAX1911]

You post as if this is not obvious,

No I post as if I'm communicating something.

the problem is legislative not enforcement. Less crimes in which a gun is present, lower incarceration rate !!!!

Most crimes don't involve guns so this claim is ridiculous.

https://whnt.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-guns-are-being-stolen-from-cars-at-triple-the-rate-they-were-10-years-ago-a-report-finds/amp/

“The report found higher gun thefts in states with looser gun leaf

Failure in enforcement.

 

[post]

-snip-

Closing prisons isn't good it means criminals just live among you
-snip-

.

No I post as if I'm communicating something.

Most crimes don't involve guns so this claim is ridiculous.

Failure in enforcement.

Are you claiming they are hiding or covering up the murders in Boston?

Massachusetts has under 20 percent gun ownership.

 

[CLAX1911]

.

Are you claiming they are hiding or covering up the murders in Boston?

Did you see me claim that?

I claimed what I typed.

Massachusetts has under 20 percent gun ownership.

So what?

 

[Josie]

This wouldn't have happened if we didn't have guns...
Regarding animal suffering and hunting...anyone here believe the bear didn't suffer climbing the tree after it had been shot?

Hunter Killed By Bear That Fell From Tree After Being Shot

A Virginia man has died after a bear in a tree shot by his hunting partner fell on top of him.

www.huffpost.com

And Trump is going to take all firearms away from US citizens, you say. Gonna happen soon, right?

 

[post]

Did you see me claim that?

I claimed what I typed.

So what?

You typed “failure in enforcement”.

Not enough homicide arrests in Boston to
suit you?

Why are you so smug in your unwillingness to acknowledge the obvious, that absence of guns in MA, CT, NJ, and NY results in prison closings?
When no gun is associated with a crime, for example in a first offense prosecution, the accused may avoid a prison sentence entirely. When a gun is involved three times as often in least safe states compared to
Massachusetts, the need for additional prison beds at $300,000 a pop, as in Alabama, becomes obvious.

…Safest…% earned Bachelor’s..jailed per 100k
Massachusetts 4 ……. 47.8% …….. 214
Colorado 43………..,… 46.4% …….. 556
New Jersey 17……….. 43.8% ……. 270
Maryland 16….……….. 43.7% …….. 475
New York 24 …………. 40.6%………317

West Virginia. 30 …….. 24.0.% ……. 674
Alabama 44…………… 28.9% …….. 898
Oklahoma 45 …,,,,,,,,,,,, 28.7% …….. 905
Arkansas 47 ……………26.2%……… 912
Mississippi 49 ………,.. 25.5% ….,…. 1020
Louisiana 50 ………….. 27,0% ………1067

 

[rahl]

Gun proliferation is the curse of red states,
States with low gun ownership are closing prisons yet are among the safest to reside in.

Red states are spending $300,000 per new prison bed yet are among the least safe to reside in.

The stats tell us the high incarceration states are least safe.

Alabama just spent over $300,000.00 per bed just for the infrastructure for 4,000 beds.

Safest States in America in 2025

Safest States in America in 2025

wallethub.com

The number to the immediate right of each state name is their safety ranking,

Prison Policy Initiative

Thinktank that uses research, advocacy, and organizing to show how over-criminalization harms individuals, our communities, and the national well-being

www.prisonpolicy.org

…Safest…% earned Bachelor’s..jailed per 100k
Massachusetts 4 ……. 47.8% …….. 214
Colorado 43………..,… 46.4% …….. 556
New Jersey 17……….. 43.8% ……. 270
Maryland 16….……….. 43.7% …….. 475
New York 24 …………. 40.6%………317

West Virginia. 30 …….. 24.0.% ……. 674
Oklahoma 45 …,,,,,,,,,,,, 28.7% …….. 905
Arkansas 47 ……………26.2%……… 912
Mississippi 49 ………,.. 25.5% ….,…. 1020
Louisiana 50 ………….. 27,0% ………1067




VERSUS :

This is meaningless.

 

[rahl]

Your post is incoherent. Compared to
the conditions in the states you defend, states with laws or lack of them, resulting in hyper incarceration rates for reasons that should be obvious, Intentional gun proliferation, the states you baselessly criticize seem oasis of sanity.
I cannot make the following any simpler.
The states with lowest per capita gun ownership experience the least gun thefts and least crimes generally aggravated by presence or possession of guns.

REVEALED: Nearly 30,000 firearms stolen from vehicles since Tennessee GOP relaxed gun laws

Stolen weapons have since been used to kill innocent Tennesseans, but Tennessee Republicans have shown little interest in revisiting those laws or penalizing owners who make their guns easy targets.

www.newschannel5.com

It’s not possible to determine gun ownership rates.

 

[Moon]

Clearly, gravity is to blame here.

True, but what can you do? Seems like that shit is everywhere now. No putting that genie back in the bottle.

 

[Rich2018]

That would pretty much eradicate mass shootings.....what's you plan to achieve this ?

*Your.

 

[RF667799]

*Your.

Took you four days to correct yourself?

 

[CLAX1911]

You typed “failure in enforcement”.

When you have a lot of theft that's a failure of enforcement.

Not enough homicide arrests in Boston to
suit you?

You're talking about incarceration so that would require convictions.

Why are you so smug in your unwillingness to acknowledge the obvious, that absence of guns in MA, CT, NJ, and NY results in prison closings?

Because it's false you are a manipulating to try and suggest we need to remove rights.

It's a very very old behavior dating back to Mesopotamia and I'm not falling for it.

When no gun is associated with a crime, for example in a first offense prosecution, the accused may avoid a prison sentence entirely. When a gun is involved three times as often in least safe states compared to
Massachusetts, the need for additional prison beds at $300,000 a pop, as in Alabama, becomes obvious.

No most people in jail didn't do any crimes involving guns sorry you're not good to tell that lie and have me believe it.

…Safest…% earned Bachelor’s..jailed per 100k
Massachusetts 4 ……. 47.8% …….. 214
Colorado 43………..,… 46.4% …….. 556
New Jersey 17……….. 43.8% ……. 270
Maryland 16….……….. 43.7% …….. 475
New York 24 …………. 40.6%………317

West Virginia. 30 …….. 24.0.% ……. 674
Alabama 44…………… 28.9% …….. 898
Oklahoma 45 …,,,,,,,,,,,, 28.7% …….. 905
Arkansas 47 ……………26.2%……… 912
Mississippi 49 ………,.. 25.5% ….,…. 1020
Louisiana 50 ………….. 27,0% ………1067

The number of people jail does not a metric regarding gun ownership sorry.

I don't know what made you think that it was.

 

[Rich2018]

When you have a lot of theft that's a failure of enforcement.

Or a failure of society.

You're talking about incarceration so that would require convictions.

The USA leads the Western world with the proportion of its people that it incarcerates.

Because it's false you are a manipulating to try and suggest we need to remove rights.

Just the right to keep & bear arms.

 

[CLAX1911]

Or a failure of society.

Enforcement of laws failing is a failure of society

The USA leads the Western world with the proportion of its people that it incarcerates.

So what everyone keeps saying this like at some sort of point.

Maybe there are more criminals here that can happen.

Just the right to keep & bear arms.

Taking away if someone's right to defend themselves takes away every other right. And if you take away firearms you take away the right to self-defense.

You should try and be honest about this but I guess that ship has sailed.

 

[post]

-snip/ When you have a lot of theft that's a failure

The number of people jail does not a metric regarding gun ownership sorry.

I don't know what made you think that it was.

LOL ! Wow !
Own the ownership map. You’re posting nonsense

Gun Ownership by State 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

Safest…% earned Bachelor’s..jailed per 100k
Massachusetts 4 ……. 47.8% …….. 214
Colorado 43………..,… 46.4% …….. 556
New Jersey 17……….. 43.8% ……. 270
Maryland 16….……….. 43.7% …….. 475
New York 24 …………. 40.6%………317

West Virginia. 30 …….. 24.0.% ……. 674
Alabama 44…………… 28.9% …….. 898
Oklahoma 45 …,,,,,,,,,,,, 28.7% …….. 905
Arkansas 47 ……………26.2%……… 912
Mississippi 49 ………,.. 25.5% ….,…. 1020
Louisiana 50 ………….. 27,0% ………1067

 

[CLAX1911]

LOL ! Wow !
Own the ownership map. You’re posting nonsense

Gun Ownership by State 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

Gun ownership a dozen create crime no matter how much you want to lie and say that it does sorry.

Safest…% earned Bachelor’s..jailed per 100k
Massachusetts 4 ……. 47.8% …….. 214
Colorado 43………..,… 46.4% …….. 556
New Jersey 17……….. 43.8% ……. 270
Maryland 16….……….. 43.7% …….. 475
New York 24 …………. 40.6%………317

West Virginia. 30 …….. 24.0.% ……. 674
Alabama 44…………… 28.9% …….. 898
Oklahoma 45 …,,,,,,,,,,,, 28.7% …….. 905
Arkansas 47 ……………26.2%……… 912
Mississippi 49 ………,.. 25.5% ….,…. 1020
Louisiana 50 ………….. 27,0% ………1067

 

[Rich2018]

Enforcement of laws failing is a failure of society

Are you saying that the USA falls behind other Western countries in the enforcement of its laws ?

 

[rahl]

LOL ! Wow !
Own the ownership map. You’re posting nonsense

Gun Ownership by State 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

It’s not possible to determine ownership.

Safest…% earned Bachelor’s..jailed per 100k
Massachusetts 4 ……. 47.8% …….. 214
Colorado 43………..,… 46.4% …….. 556
New Jersey 17……….. 43.8% ……. 270
Maryland 16….……….. 43.7% …….. 475
New York 24 …………. 40.6%………317

West Virginia. 30 …….. 24.0.% ……. 674
Alabama 44…………… 28.9% …….. 898
Oklahoma 45 …,,,,,,,,,,,, 28.7% …….. 905
Arkansas 47 ……………26.2%……… 912
Mississippi 49 ………,.. 25.5% ….,…. 1020
Louisiana 50 ………….. 27,0% ………1067

This is meaningless