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Why should a non-violent ex-con have thier Right to own a gun removed?
Why should a non-violent ex-con have their Right to own a gun removed?
Why should a non-violent ex-con have thier Right to own a gun removed?
I am better than a felon.No reason other than some holier-than-thou folk want to come down and pretend they're better than everyone else and because they're better they are justified in their use of infinite government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
In the end, I even think that violent ex-felons should have the full of their rights recognized again. If someone wants to exert further force beyond the punishment of court, they have to prove their focused beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law; not the other way around.
No reason other than some holier-than-thou folk want to come down and pretend they're better than everyone else and because they're better they are justified in their use of infinite government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
In the end, I even think that violent ex-felons should have the full of their rights recognized again. If someone wants to exert further force beyond the punishment of court, they have to prove their focused beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law; not the other way around.
Because they have proven that they cannot live in civil society without preying on others.
I am better than a felon.
And you are willing to put guns in the hands of murderers, bank robbers, rapists, child molesters?
Nope.
There was a local case several months ago where an ex-felon used a handgun to kill his ex-wife, her 15 y/o daughter, and severely wounded the daughter's friend.
He had been released about 7 months prior to the incident.
I also seem to recall that the NY guy who set a fire, killed his neighbor and several fireman was an ex-felon.
Two local teenage punks were just caught after a killing spree just last week.
They had just been released from juvenile a short time before,
No, they can forgo their rights to ever owning a gun.
Screw them.
Oh look at that. Emotional appeal. Logic fail.
Any individual upon completion of punishment must have the full of their rights recognized again. If you wish to use government force beyond that, you have to prove the point; not the other way around.
I dont have to prove anything. They have proved they are willing to be part of a sub culture of criminals in our nation.Oh look at that. Emotional appeal. Logic fail.
Any individual upon completion of punishment must have the full of their rights recognized again. If you wish to use government force beyond that, you have to prove the point; not the other way around.
Right. The OP is talking about non-violent felons.
A case can be made that a violent felon, or one that USED a gun in their felony, "deserves" to lose their right to bear arms or have them suspended.
But there's no causal link to justify taking the right permanently for possession of pot. There is no victim, so there is no demonstrated threat to society. Which should be required to permanently remove a constitutional right.
We don't strip the right to free speech when someone is convicted of slander.
I dont have to prove anything. They have proved they are willing to be part of a sub culture of criminals in our nation.
How is it logical to allow felons to have access to guns?
I dont have to prove anything. They have proved they are willing to be part of a sub culture of criminals in our nation.
How is it logical to allow felons to have access to guns?
Because we cant take all means of speech from someone. How do you take all pens, pencils, computers, I pads, phones, cans and string from everyone that commits slander?
But we can take guns out of the hands of those who commit felonies and make it a crime for them to possess a gun in the future.
And by the way, most slander cases end up as civil cases any way.
There will be cases of criminals repeat offending, there will be cases of people offending for the first time. This is neither here nor there. It's just emotional appeal based on hand selected incident, not proper philosophy and statistic. You want to punish future crime, but our system was not meant to handle that.
Because they have proven that they cannot live in civil society without preying on others.
They want their rights back, go to court and petition for them.
I can go through life and not be a felon, and I am no angel. If I can, anyone can.
So the amount of repeat offenders is of no consequence?
Personally, I think all felons should be shot on sight. But thats just me.
I am better than a felon.
And you are willing to put guns in the hands of murderers, bank robbers, rapists, child molesters?
No this is not a consequence of freedom.Well then you're quite the megalomaniacal despot and it's good you're not in charge.
There will be repeat offenders, nothing can be done about that. But you cannot use that as basis for improper government force against the rights and liberties of the individual. If you cannot prove necessity for life in prison without parole, the punishment must end and at that point all rights are to be recognized and respected.
This is a consequence of freedom.
Do you realize that in some jurisdictions, by merely engaging in an entirely legitimate exercise of your Second Amendment rights, without getting permission from the state and jumping through certain hoops that the state decides to put before you, you can be committing a felony? And of course, once that corrupt state prosecutes you for the “crime” of legitimately exercising your Second Amendment rights, you are now a convicted felon, and have no provided the state with an excuse to deny you that right entirely.
No this is not a consequence of freedom.
This is a consequence of not using personal responsibility to govern your life in such a manner as to not become a felon.
I have no problem with many felons doing life, first offence for rape, murder, child molestation, armed robbery. But that is not reality. They get out, and do it again most of the time.
So, you got the data to back up that "most of the time" statement, yes?
FBI info for recidivisim is plenty available.
You really must be blind to not know that most jails and prisons are a revolving door of criminals in and out.
Tell you what, you file the suit on the behalf of all your scumbag criminal friends to get their rights restored. Let us know how it works out.