Truth be told, after the loss of life (which trumps all and probably should have its own and separate thread) perhaps the GREATEST tragedy isnt that individuals werent allowed to be packin heat...its that we have been pussified to believe that when someone starts firing our best recourse is to hide and look for a safe place to die when the asshole shoots us or runs out of bullets. Unless we are talking a fully automatic weapon there are probably 101 different weapons within arms reach that any one or two people could employ that would either stop an individual or screw up their aim long enough to attack and disable them. And no...Im not talking about guerrila forces or special ops training. A set of keys, followed by a wallet, a pocket knife, a book, an iPod, a clipboard, or even a pen, then a cell phone in a barrage would make damn near anyone flinch even when holding a weapon. its unexpected and abnormal to stand unflinching while an object is flying at your eyes. We need to teach people to stop with the victim mentality. Lay down and die...dont worry, the cops will protect you.
I agree that in hostage or very violent situations where a gunman assures impending harm, the best method is to simply kill him. It's not like his guilt is in question.
I do find it distasteful though that this incident is being used as part of the pro-gun agenda. Just because people can carry concealed in some areas does not mean that all factors would line up in their favor in a situation like this. Someone could pull a gun on him and easily get shot dead if he reacts fast enough. I mean, who knows how it could really go down in a situation that is so volatile and unpredictable. Adding more guns does not guarantee a positive outcome per se.
Hence my comments above. Gun proponents, most people aren't going to be carrying a weapon on their person or in their desk at work in corporate America, thus it wouldn't be accessible when needed it in a scenario like this. Gun opponents, you can't outlaw crazy. Banning guns just leads to criminals being the only ones with guns.
Mass killings are tragedies, but they are tragedies that are very difficult to prevent through gun possession/banning. That's the logical facts.
Truth be told, after the loss of life (which trumps all and probably should have its own and separate thread) perhaps the GREATEST tragedy isnt that individuals werent allowed to be packin heat...its that we have been pussified to believe that when someone starts firing our best recourse is to hide and look for a safe place to die when the asshole shoots us or runs out of bullets. Unless we are talking a fully automatic weapon there are probably 101 different weapons within arms reach that any one or two people could employ that would either stop an individual or screw up their aim long enough to attack and disable them. And no...Im not talking about guerrila forces or special ops training. A set of keys, followed by a wallet, a pocket knife, a book, an iPod, a clipboard, or even a pen, then a cell phone in a barrage would make damn near anyone flinch even when holding a weapon. its unexpected and abnormal to stand unflinching while an object is flying at your eyes. We need to teach people to stop with the victim mentality. Lay down and die...dont worry, the cops will protect you.
I think more accurate; Most mass shooting take place where people gather in large numbers. They generally occur in places of business. Most business, to my knowledge, don't allow their employees to carry concealed weapons to work even if the state allows.
I think more accurate; Most mass shooting take place where people gather in large numbers. They generally occur in places of business. Most business, to my knowledge, don't allow their employees to carry concealed weapons to work even if the state allows.
I was going to mention this. Most places the Constitution isn't even a factor. Essentially, insurance companies tell people they can't bring guns to work. These types of incidents are relatively rare.
I am curious, I have never heard of this being all that common. I know the gun shop and shooting range that I frequent has all its employees armed and I believe that is a requirement by the insurance company. Funny how no one has tried a robbery there during times the place is likely to be occupied
Most employers have a weapons policy. Employers could find themselves being sued if something happened after they allowed everyone to bring firearms to work. Their legal advice would be to stay away from that policy and I'm sure insurance companies would refuse to insure them or make them pay substantially for it.
when Ohio passed its law there was a provision that places of business were not liable for either not allowing people to carry who then are assaulted or for letting people carry who shoot a bystander. Our firearms coalition handed out cards telling anti gun businesses that we wouldn't patronize them. I'd say most of the businesses allow guns in OHio but some big office buildings do not
This is exactly right. Even though I work with law enforcement, we would NEVER be allowed to carry weapons in our building. THis is true for 99.9% of corporate America.
Keep it small and keep it quiet, no one will know.
I thought they were talking about guns, not your penis.
Sorry it had to be done.
NASCAR doesn't allow guns on their racetracks. :roll:
Do they allow people to carry in places that serve alcohol? Do they serve alcohol in Ohio?
do the mopes know that? and I doubt alot of the GOBs pay attention to that anyway
It remains true that mass murderers almost always strike where people are vulnerable and security is light or unarmed. Mostly, this means areas where law-abiding cits are disarmed.
Got a source for that little factoid?Most employers have a weapons policy. Employers could find themselves being sued if something happened after they allowed everyone to bring firearms to work. Their legal advice would be to stay away from that policy and I'm sure insurance companies would refuse to insure them or make them pay substantially for it.
Got a source for that little factoid?
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If the liability laws were changed, the anti-gun stance o many business might change and we actually might not have so many successful mass shootings. I'd like to see something like this: "No business that permits citizens with carry permits to carry their weapons shall be held liable for actions of such persons. Any business that disallows lawful concealed carry without compelling reasons (ie chemical plant} may be liable for criminal injury suffered by disarmed patrons, visitors or employees."
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